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    #692
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    You can't watch it yourself? ....

    No, nor should I have to given that it's customary to provide a synopsis when posting a video.

    You can't give your own personal more detailed take on Trumps "immigration policy"?


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    #693
    Amazingfun
    Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Ah so you need a synopsis?

    Ok: Trump is right, the media truly are 70% lying scum, Israel/Jews treatment of immigrants is very interesting and reveals a very curious double standard when contrasted with the non-stop "outrage" directed at Trump.

    Enjoy!



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    #694
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Ah so you need a synopsis?

    Ok: Trump is right, the media truly are 70% lying scum, Israel/Jews treatment of immigrants is very interesting and reveals a very curious double standard when contrasted with the non-stop "outrage" directed at Trump.

    I wouldn't consider Trump a bastion of integrity myself.

    Israel and "Jews" are different things, unless you are IS or Stefan Molyneux.

    What's your own personal more detailed take on Trumps "immigration policy"?


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    #695
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,170 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Ah so you need a synopsis?

    Ok: Trump is right, the media truly are 70% lying scum, Israel/Jews treatment of immigrants is very interesting and reveals a very curious double standard when contrasted with the non-stop "outrage" directed at Trump.

    Enjoy!


    I watched all of his videos about the current candidates. He did such a great job on most of them but then showed his own personal bias on others. Too bad. Watch the Ben Carson episode. He gave him a fair shake but didn't do the same for others...meh!


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    #696
    Amazingfun
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    Nodin wrote: »
    I wouldn't consider Trump a bastion of integrity myself.

    Fascinating, and so shocking, lol. Note I never asked for your opinion of Trump's integrity, mostly because it's not a mystery, and you are not someone capable of appreciating Trump's awesomeness anyways :D


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    #697
    Amazingfun
    Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    I watched all of his videos about the current candidates. He did such a great job on most of them but then showed his own personal bias on others. Too bad. Watch the Ben Carson episode. He gave him a fair shake but didn't do the same for others...meh!

    In fairness he has been really working overtime to put a LOT of material out lately. I have watched a good few, but not all, will get to the rest this week.


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    #698
    kettlehead
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭kettlehead


    Two 'asylum seekers' in Finland were arrested for executing eleven unarmed Iraqi air cadets. They were caught as ISIS recorded and uploaded the executions. The Finnish Interior Minister has said that 300 'asylum seekers' are affiliated with terrorist groups.
    Interior Minister: 300 asylum seekers in Finland have links to terrorism
    Interior Minister Petteri Orpo said on Thursday that the arrest of two Iraqis on suspicion of eleven murders in Iraq shows that Finnish law enforcement is up to the task. Orpo added that according to Finnish intelligence, some 300 asylum seekers in Finland have some link to terrorism.

    www.yle.fi/uutiset/interior_minister_300_asylum_seekers_in_finland_have_links_to_terrorism/8520152

    They would have travelled through numerous countries to get to Finland. If they can get to Finland, they can get into any EU member state. Now, to me, closing the borders or severely curtailing and vetting the influx is a lot more rational and sane than the current situation and a lot of people will lean towards Trumps suggestions.


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    #699
    Christy42
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    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Ah so you need a synopsis?

    Ok: Trump is right, the media truly are 70% lying scum, Israel/Jews treatment of immigrants is very interesting and reveals a very curious double standard when contrasted with the non-stop "outrage" directed at Trump.

    Enjoy!


    A: liberals are more annoyed about gun crime because it kills more people. Like a lot more people every year, especially in the states. Linking the two to say both are trying to prevent deaths is willfully ignoring this rather important fact.

    B: Wasn't the reason a lot of people went to the states to get away from religious persecution?

    C: Yes Sharia law is ****e, why does that make it right to tell people trying to get away from it

    D: No one is at war with all Muslims. Otherwise we would be in a lot of trouble given the numbers. Hence the banning all Muslims is not like banning Germans in ww2.

    E: The man didn't seem like he was getting to a good point anytime soon. If he had any good points please summarise them. I don't have a half hour for everyone with a camera.


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    #700
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Fascinating, and so shocking, lol. Note I never asked for your opinion of Trump's integrity, mostly because it's not a mystery, and you are not someone capable of appreciating Trump's awesomeness anyways :D

    Is there some reason you can't give your own personal more detailed take on Trumps "immigration policy"?


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    #701
    kettlehead
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    I am warming to Trump. The professionally offended Twiterrati will all be on blood pressure pills if he keeps this up. It's like Trump is finding every single possible way to be a complete asshole, and it's only making him rise in the polls. He's retweeting pol memes ffs!


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    #702
    Dohnjoe
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    kettlehead wrote: »
    I am warming to Trump. The professionally offended Twiterrati will all be on blood pressure pills if he keeps this up. It's like Trump is finding every single possible way to be a complete asshole, and it's only making him rise in the polls. He's retweeting pol memes ffs!

    He's doing well in the polls because he is reflecting a sizeable portion of the population that are racists and bigots

    Trump himself isn't the problem and it's the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about


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    #703
    kettlehead
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭kettlehead


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    He's doing well in the polls because he is reflecting a sizeable portion of the population that are racists and bigots

    Trump himself isn't the problem and it's the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about

    I know. Extremely lax border control and mass immigration from Muslim countries is the issue. Not Trump.


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    #704
    Dohnjoe
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    kettlehead wrote: »
    I know. Extremely lax border control and mass immigration from Muslim countries is the issue. Not Trump.

    It goes far, far beyond genuine concerns about the above

    It's mass hysteria - and he's just tapping into it

    Conservative outlets in the US pump out a lot of alarmism, distorted information and exaggerations which are fueling this hysteria, on top of that we have politicians who are capitalising on it.. however Trump is going the furthest, and therefore making the most gains


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    #705
    Nodin
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    kettlehead wrote: »
    I know. Extremely lax border control and mass immigration from Muslim countries is the issue. Not Trump.

    .....in the states? Since when?


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    #706
    kettlehead
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭kettlehead


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It goes far, far beyond genuine concerns about the above

    It's mass hysteria - and he's just tapping into it

    Conservative outlets in the US pump out a lot of alarmism, distorted information and exaggerations which are fueling this hysteria, on top of that we have politicians who are capitalising on it.. however Trump is going the furthest, and therefore making the most gains

    Were they the same media outlets that were telling us that the migrants were mostly highly educated and that ISIS would not use the migrant route to get their operatives into Europe?


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    #707
    Nodin
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    kettlehead wrote: »
    Were they the media outlets that were telling us that the refugees were mostly highly educated and that ISIS would not use the migrant route to get their operatives into Europe?

    Trump is an American politician talking in America about America and the shootings carried out in the US were not carried out by people who came there via the "migrant route".


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    #708
    kettlehead
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    The Paris attacks were though and he's also referencing and talking about them.


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    #709
    Nodin
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    kettlehead wrote: »
    The Paris attacks were though and he's also referencing and talking about them.

    So he's suggesting dealing with a European problem in the wake of a shooting in America by tackling a wave of mass "immigration" that doesn't actually occur in the US by enacting a sectarian measure that would be unconstitutional and illegal. "joined up thinking" wouldn't seem to be his strong point.


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    #710
    nokia69
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    Nodin wrote: »
    So he's suggesting dealing with a European problem in the wake of a shooting in America by tackling a wave of mass "immigration" that doesn't actually occur in the US by enacting a sectarian measure that would be unconstitutional and illegal. "joined up thinking" wouldn't seem to be his strong point.


    It would NOT be unconstitutional or illegal since it would NOT apply to any US citizen


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    #711
    Nodin
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    nokia69 wrote: »
    It would NOT be unconstitutional or illegal since it would NOT apply to any US citizen

    Really?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/law-experts-weigh-donald-trumps-plan-ban-muslims-n476041

    He referred to US citizens currently out of the country, did he not? He wanted US muslims to sign on a database certainly.


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    #712
    InTheTrees
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    nokia69 wrote: »
    It would NOT be unconstitutional or illegal

    Oh please. A religious test to get into the country?

    :rolleyes:


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    #713
    nokia69
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Really?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/law-experts-weigh-donald-trumps-plan-ban-muslims-n476041

    He referred to US citizens currently out of the country, did he not? He wanted US muslims to sign on a database certainly.

    The MSM is full of lies and BS about Trump, I saw the BBC doing a hatchet job on him the other night, much the same as the link you posted

    If Trump or any other US president wanted to cut the number of new muslim immigrants all he would have to do is bar immigrants from islamic countries, there is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about that, in fact something similar has been done in the past with other countries, that well known Nazi Jimmy Carter stopped people from Iran moving to the US back in the 70s


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    #714
    nokia69
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    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Oh please. A religious test to get into the country?

    :rolleyes:

    It would be a passport test, anyone with a passport from a country like saudi arabia would not be allowed in

    job done, problem solved


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    #715
    Christy42
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    nokia69 wrote: »
    It would be a passport test, anyone with a passport from a country like saudi arabia would not be allowed in

    job done, problem solved

    No it would be religious. There are plenty of Muslims with European passports. He said nothing about banning people from certain countries. He did say something about banning people of a certain religion though.


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    #716
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    nokia69 wrote: »
    The MSM is full of lies ...................

    "ONoes, liberal illumati"......
    nokia69 wrote: »
    If Trump or any other (............)US back in the 70s


    No, not really.
    http://www.snopes.com/jimmy-carter-banned-iranian-immigrants/


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    #717
    Herb Powell
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    Christy42 wrote: »
    No it would be religious. There are plenty of Muslims with European passports. He said nothing about banning people from certain countries. He did say something about banning people of a certain religion though.

    "Are you a muslim?"

    "No"

    "K"

    =====> USA


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    #718
    The Randy Riverbeast
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    I'm wondering what would happen when his plans barely make a dent in the number of deaths. Less than 10% of terrorism in the U.S. is Muslim related.

    At the end of his term when people look at before and after, it won't look good. one year you were more likely to be shot by a toddler than die from terrorism.


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    #719
    JPNelsforearm
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    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Oh please. A religious test to get into the country?

    :rolleyes:

    "Trump’s comments also sparked criticism from all leading American Jewish organizations, including the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Jonathan Greenblatt, the ADL’s chief executive, issued a statement which said: “Mr. Trump’s plan to bar people from entry to the United States based on their religion is unacceptable and antithetical to American values…In the Jewish community, we know all too well what can happen when a particular religious group is singled out for stereotyping and scapegoating. We also know that this country must not give into fear by turning its back on its fundamental values, even at a time of great crisis."

    http://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/citizenship_law.htm

    "That law makes citizens of Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip ineligible for residency in Israel, even if they are married to an Israeli citizen."

    http://www.visa-law.co.il/immigration-to-israel/


    One rule for Western democracies another rule for the rest of the world.

    http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/labor-migration-united-arab-emirates-challenges-and-responses

    The Gulf states, Israel all close their cborders and screen who gets into their countries on health, age etc and yes, religious grounds, yet when a European or nation of european heritage does it everyone loses their minds.


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    #720
    The Randy Riverbeast
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    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Trump’s comments also sparked criticism from all leading American Jewish organizations, including the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Jonathan Greenblatt, the ADL’s chief executive, issued a statement which said: “Mr. Trump’s plan to bar people from entry to the United States based on their religion is unacceptable and antithetical to American values…In the Jewish community, we know all too well what can happen when a particular religious group is singled out for stereotyping and scapegoating. We also know that this country must not give into fear by turning its back on its fundamental values, even at a time of great crisis.

    http://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/citizenship_law.htm

    http://www.visa-law.co.il/immigration-to-israel/


    One rule for Western democracies another rule for the rest of the world.

    http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/labor-migration-united-arab-emirates-challenges-and-responses

    The Gulf states, Israel all close their cborders and screen who gets into their countries on health, age etc and yes, religious grounds, yet when a European or nation of european heritage does it everyone loses their minds.

    Look at these crappy countries. They are awful and we should copy them? It's funny how the same people calling to not let these people in because of their views want to implement their views.


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    #721
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    Look at these crappy countries. They are awful and we should copy them? It's funny how the same people calling to not let these people in because of their views want to implement their views.
    Ireland is a country for Irish people, hundreds of thousands of people died so that we could be free, we owe absolutely nothing to anybody, the duty of the Irish state is to preserve the Irish people, nothing else, thats the basic duty of any state. Mass immigration flies in the face of that. What percentage of immigrants are we currently at in Ireland, 16% of the population? Rising every year, where do you stop? Its a black and white issue, either you believe every ethnic group has a right to self preservation and to be free in their own homeland or you dont.
    I agree with the Israeli's on nothing, but I agree with them on that, a country is its people.


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