MORE crap on the way.

Grizzly 45

Naw, probably those ghastly and dangerous straight pull and MARS system rifles.Old Bill dont half like it when he is challenged by smart alecks building stuff to pull a fast one on im.

gunny123

That's blaser and the likes of k31's gone for a burton if that's the case so.

Grizzly 45

True, It might, of course, knock the knickerbocker&tweed stalking set into action, once their "sporting rifles" are under threat.

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

True, It might, of course, knock the knickerbocker&tweed stalking set into action, once their "sporting rifles" are under threat.

A quick look at the UK shooting forums, two things stick out, the UK NRA is as much use as an ashtray on a motorcycle, whereas BASC is at least doing something. The Fudds are out in force, "no one needs a .50 to shoot targets", "Maybe if we give up the .50's, they'll leave everything else alone", "With what happened in Vegas, maybe its time for semi .22's to go". Dismal rubbish.

The problem is though, the uk is only over the way, and our gobshines take their inspiration from them.

Grizzly 45

To be expected and very sad that the UK is yet again trying to appease the crocodiles.

meathstevie

First of all a definition of what constitutes a rapid fire firearm will have to be made up before you can implement a law to make it illegal to have one. If it's going to be done on shots per minute criteria you'll want that limit fairly high unless the intention is to have everyone hunting or target shooting with the equivalent of a Brown Bess.

Grizzly 45

Things that make you go Hmmm! Wonder is this a distraction tactic?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500

yubabill1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Things that make you go Hmmm! Wonder is this a distraction tactic?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500

We all know that this headline will be used to justify their proposals on tightening the noose on 50cals, not that 50cals -or even licensed guns- are used for crime in London.

So, by that logic they should loosen the laws against drugs-

Quote from the article;

"Drug offences fell by 9%, from 41,164 to 37,374."

I'm only applying their own logic to this.

Nekarsulm

Jeez, read an "article" by Dermot Ahern in todays Irsh Daily Mail. Started out about the Vegas shooting, but very soon turned out as a self congratulatory vote seeking piece of election twaddle.

"Here in Ireland we are very luck that we live in a society which has an almost universal revulsion to guns being held by individuals"

He praises Des O Malley and the 1970's gun grab, and laments the relaxation of the rules in in 2004.
"A court decision in 2004 meant that once a person was deemed suitable to hold a firearms licence, they would be entitled to possess weapons such as a small pistol. an AK-47, a Biretta, a Magnum and a Glock pistol, all at the same time"

Quite apart from the strange concern about owning a Priests/Bishops/Cardinals headwear the rest is self serving rubbish.

gunny123

I couldn't read anything by that Pratt, It'd bring up my lunch. Anything about him standing outside the dail with lenehan saying they knew nothing about the imf being here, when they were inside the building ?

What is it about people like him, Bertie, Cowan, Blair in the UK popping up like crocuses spouting rubbish, they were all found out and kicked out, universally detested.

Egos the size of the moon, they think the country cannot do without them.

Sparks

"Daily Mail". Well, that rather sets the tone.
Mind you, to see an ex-Minister so badly briefed on his area of responsibility is something special.

gunny123

End with "Pants on fire" :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GffDsPYi1Js

gunny123

Sparks wrote: »

"Daily Mail". Well, that rather sets the tone.
Mind you, to see an ex-Minister so badly briefed on his area of responsibility is something special.

Its just "I don't like dem gun tings, i'll ban them so". Then he gets into the media and spouts nonsense like "ak47" and "magnum". To the best of my knowledge no ak47 has ever been used legitimately by any civilian in Ireland. "Magnum", talk about an over used meaningless term, sounds like a term fed to him from some member of the gardai, probably with an iq less than his boot size.

123shooter

gunny123 wrote: »

Its just "I don't like dem gun tings, i'll ban them so". Then he gets into the media and spouts nonsense like "ak47" and "magnum". To the best of my knowledge no ak47 has ever been used legitimately by any civilian in Ireland. "Magnum", talk about an over used meaningless term, sounds like a term fed to him from some member of the gardai, probably with an iq less than his boot size.

But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

Most people hadn't heard of a magnum until this film came out. Nearly all film/tv cops carried something that would fit in a holster under their jacket like a .38 snubnose or slightly larger revolver. So after an imaginary cop from a popular thriller/action film says one not very factual sentence, the world begins to think that this is a huge monster gun that can do all sorts.

In the 1970's the horror gun that people heard about was the Armalite rifle made well known by the IRA. But this became forgotten about when somebody used an AK47 and it became the weapon of choice for terrorists because it was cheap and available anywhere in the world, except for a short few years when it was the Uzi 9mm which was made famous. Today nobody has heard of an Armalite or an Uzi.

Cowboys used a Colt .45, but that just killed people at 10 paces or in a saloon, so that didn't have much wow factor even if you were good looking, spoke crap or chewed a cigar.

Now a 12 bore could blow doors off and make body panels fly off cars (in films and tv......LOL) but as we know is far from anywhere near the most powerful shotgun. So a pump action used with one hand by Arnie must be a dread weapon that can wipe out an army!

So what have you got ? ..........Politicians are ar**holes, tell lies, will do anything to further themselves and not very intelligent (we know that)..........and most people are sheep and will follow and believe what others tell them........even if its far from being true.

What hope have you got?

Grizzly 45

"I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five?' Well, to tell the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off, you better ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

Well seeing the 454 Casul round already existed back then... But there was no gun to fire it..Yeah correct statement.

Plus the minor cinematic fact that the S&W used in all the Dirty Harry films, ISN'T a Model 29 at all! It's a model 51 .41magnum.As the Mod 29 was out of production and getting one with an 8.5in barrel was a problem.

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

"I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five?' Well, to tell the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off, you better ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

Well seeing the 454 Casul round already existed back then... But there was no gun to fire it..Yeah correct statement.

Plus the minor cinematic fact that the S&W used in all the Dirty Harry films, ISN'T a Model 29 at all! It's a model 51 .41magnum.As the Mod 29 was out of production and getting one with an 8.5in barrel was a problem.

I was at the Hilltop indoor range one night when a lad came in with a ruger super redhawk in .454 casull. Me being a revolver fan wanted to handle it and i did, i also fired it with .45 colt rounds, which are pretty anemic. No way would Pat let him put the casull rounds through it

gunny123

The home office in the uk looking to have air guns licensed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4657158/brits-new-law-licence-to-own-air-rifle/

http://www.politics.co.uk/opinion-formers/british-association-for-shooting-and-conservation-basc/article/basc-gives-the-bbc-the-facts-on-airguns

gunny123

The Brits are looking to ban or further restrict ownership of .50bmg and MARS type rifles, despite the fact these types of rifles have never been used in crime.


http://www.homeofficesurveys.homeoffice.gov.uk/s/WX2TN/

meathstevie

gunny123 wrote: »

The Brits are looking to ban or further restrict ownership of .50bmg and MARS type rifles, despite the fact these types of rifles have never been used in crime.


http://www.homeofficesurveys.homeoffice.gov.uk/s/WX2TN/

Looks like a typical case of knee jerk legislating. Most of the issues in that survey are already amply taken care of by existing UK law re. firearms and offensive weapons.

Nekarsulm

A bit of deflection from the Brexit negotiations, as well.

Grizzly 45

Some good, Poland and the Czech Republic move to the EU courts.Dirt in Sweden, Switzerland and Spains long-running story of the harassment raid on the deactivated arms dealer, and the not so good news from the UK RE 50 cals and MARS systems.
https://www.gunsweek.com/en/current/articles/gun-rights-open-fronts-europe

yubabill1

Good roundup there, Griz.

Especially interested in the Spanish gun dealer "raid" which we all knew was highly suspicious from the start and a remarkably serendipitous coincidence at the time the EU was debating the new firearms directive, what with an enormous cache of illegal firearms being intercepted by a vigilant police force while on its way to terrorists and criminals via a gun dealer posing as a legal business. At least that was the way it was widely reported at the time.

Happily, the EU is establishing a new entity to tackle fake news, so this should never happen again.

https://euobserver.com/justice/139850

Anyone remember all the firearms-related news stories around the time DoJE/AGS wanted to ban semi auto rifles here? No more stories about stolen firearms or firearm murders since, what's all that about?

Coincidentally - and actually a genuine coincidence - the head of DoJE is retiring in a few months, having reluctantly agreed to accept the job after two years in a caretaker role. The Taoiseach says that the retirement is not as a result of the Garda whistleblower inquiries. These are the people entrusted with transposing the EU firearms directive into Irish law. No chance of gold-plating, then.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/department-of-justice-secretary-general-to-step-down-1.3292024

Grizzly 45

Or Orwell's "Ministry for Truth" is now one step further down the road of becoming part and parcel of our daily lives.You can be sure they are not doing it for the benefit of our questioning the authority of the EU superstate.

As for our lot, the DOJ could do with a good clean out too.The most secretive of all govt depts next to AGS.Too much collusion there and many shared closets full of skeletons.

yubabill1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

As for our lot, the DOJ could do with a good clean out too.The most secretive of all govt depts next to AGS.Too much collusion there and many shared closets full of skeletons.

Time to separate security from AGS. We are not in a state of emergency any more and we clearly need a separate agency to concentrate on state security.

AGS should concentrate on crime and firearms should come under the long-promised civilian oversight.

No need for any of these powers in the hands of AGS any more, they have enough to do battling the drugs gangs.

Grizzly 45

DEACTS again.

The Commission does not just refuse to acknowledge any previous national standards, as the Directive allows. The mentioned guidelines are a revision of previous guidelines, in force since April 8, and not only weapons deactivated along national rules are to be re-deactivated, but weapons deactivated in accordance to current EU regulation should be re-deactivated again.

IOW anything that we have here that is old spec deact, will have to be deactivated to the new improved EU deact...This bTW shows how "democratic" the EU is.This was sorted out in the legislation last year, and now they are trying to push thru new BS on all EU member states because they don't like the idea of old deacts still flying around...More micromanaging of your life by the Socialist EU superstate that our govt keeps cheering for.:mad::mad:

Grizzly 45

So ten years after the Utoya shooting the Norewiean govt has set a dangerous precedent of banning semi-auto rifles.Owners will have 3 years to destroy or sell outside Norway.Of course, there might be the few elites who are now volubly protesting that they have an exemption due to IPSC, but it is frankly doubtful that will wash.As Norway is a Schengen and not a full EU member state they cannot claim compensation for confiscated property.

But y'know what??THEY DESERVE IT! They were WARNED numerous times this could happen to them 4years ago and that they should stand and fight with the EU gun organisations in Brussels.They basically said"Fuk you, Jack, we are all right we have the national reserve and IPSC get out clause!".Forgetting that their committee on the Utoya massacre hadn't finished and recommended a semi-auto rifle ban.[surprise,surprise,surprise]

So let this be a cautionary tale to us all.Distrust anything your local govt or the EUSSR central committee says on firearms because it is probably 100% the polar opposite of what they say, and simply we must hang together or we will assuredly hang separately." Is now too true in the EUSSR when it comes to firearm laws.We can't look in isolation anymore at Irish law affecting us.What happens in any place in the EU might affect us all.

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

This bTW shows how "democratic" the EU is.This was sorted out in the legislation last year, and now they are trying to push thru new BS on all EU member states because they don't like the idea of old deacts still flying around...More micromanaging of your life by the Socialist EU superstate that our govt keeps cheering for.:mad::mad:

Democratic :rolleyes: ?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/a-very-eu-coup-martin-selmayrs-astonishing-power-grab/

Grizzly 45

EU and "Democracy"......Interesting concept...Seeing that we live in a constitutional republic, where the majority doesn't get a chance to stamp all over the minority.The EU is "democracy" Where the tyranny of the majority rules, guided by the unelected elite.

yubabill1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

EU and "Democracy"......Interesting concept...Seeing that we live in a constitutional republic, where the majority doesn't get a chance to stamp all over the minority.The EU is "democracy" Where the tyranny of the majority rules, guided by the unelected elite.

What I - and a few other EU citizens - want to know is who made Angela Merkel queen of Europe?

Despite the bluster in all the treaties I read - and voted against - I thought we were in a union of equals?

solarwinds

The only use i see for EU commissioners is to relay the orders from Germany to their respective countries.
Unless you are in the golden circle of about 5 people who are actually running the EU you are just there as window dressing.
German domination of Europe and not a shot fired.