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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread V

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    #92
    Clearlier
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    total former wrote: »
    Can anyone give me a straight answer as to why Williams is the villain in all this, when no one seems to mind that Peter Stringer came straight out and said he'd drop Payne and play Earls at 13?


    FWIW - I thought Stringer was pretty stupid but I've never found anything that he has said to be that insightful so he sort of gets dismissed as irrelevant. Williams however did well for Leinster and has penned some articles which were relatively insightful.

    As for the villain bit it's probably best to look at the numbers. I'm not 100% sure but I think that the comments that Williams made were on tv to 100s of thousands of viewers whereas Stringer said something in a newspaper or website with a fraction of the audience.


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    #93
    awec
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Peter Stringer is also a villain, but I think people expected more from Williams.

    A recently departed Pro touting his ex-teammate is something we've seen before and expect.

    Even Woods is a Munster man and has a reputation for saying some weird things, it was completely unexpected from Williams.

    Read: Shane Horgan every single time he's on TV.


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    #94
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    awec wrote: »
    Read: Shane Horgan every single time he's on TV.

    Horgan has been refreshingly critical of former team mates on plenty of occasions.


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    #95
    awec
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Horgan has been refreshingly critical of former team mates on plenty of occasions.

    Horgan is one of the worst pundits about. He's the Leinster version of Frankie Sheahan, always promoting his former team mates for spots in the team. Should have been an agent instead.


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    #96
    total former
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    Clearlier wrote: »
    FWIW - I thought Stringer was pretty stupid but I've never found anything that he has said to be that insightful so he sort of gets dismissed as irrelevant. Williams however did well for Leinster and has penned some articles which were relatively insightful.

    As for the villain bit it's probably best to look at the numbers. I'm not 100% sure but I think that the comments that Williams made were on tv to 100s of thousands of viewers whereas Stringer said something in a newspaper or website with a fraction of the audience.

    ???

    Stringer was sitting right beside Matt Williams in the TV3 studio?


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    #97
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    awec wrote: »
    Horgan is one of the worst pundits about. He's the Leinster version of Frankie Sheahan, always promoting his former team mates for spots in the team. Should have been an agent instead.

    He probably will end up being one to some degree, is specialising in sports law as far as I know.

    Either way I don't get that from Horgan, found him to be even handed and on occasions over critical of former team mates in some attempt to compensate.

    Can you provide an example of where he promotes a former team mate over someone else available out of interest?

    As for his abilities as a pundit, his frantic verbal communication can sometimes be a bit off putting, but his insights (especially regarding Joe) have been very interesting and worth listening too.


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    #98
    MJohnston
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    I think most of us had already thrown our remotes through the TV screen by the time Stringer started speaking. Truth is, most of the time the third pundit ends up parroting the first two anyway.


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    #99
    Clearlier
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    total former wrote: »
    ???

    Stringer was sitting right beside Matt Williams in the TV3 studio?

    :eek: :o Glad I said that I'm not 100% sure then :). I haven't got access to tv3 and was just going on what I read. I'd still expect better from Williams than Stringer though but perhaps the rest of Stringer's analysis has been better than that?


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    #100
    noway12345
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    Our midfield looked pretty good against France! Henshaw the stand out ofcourse. He should be outside centre. Far better in attack than Payne and just as solid in defence.


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    #101
    MJohnston
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    Our midfield looked pretty good against France! Henshaw the stand out ofcourse. He should be outside centre. Far better in attack than Payne and just as solid in defence.

    Payne is out of the squad, I don't think there's any point in comparing squad players to him anymore.


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    #102
    efb
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    Lads have 2 tickets for the Off The Ball thing in the point tonight- with BOD

    Pm with your email I'll send them on

    It's 5:30 don't pm if you can't go


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    #103
    noway12345
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    MJohnston wrote: »
    Payne is out of the squad, I don't think there's any point in comparing squad players to him anymore.

    It shows that he's not as big a loss as some make out and maybe our new centre partnership is better! I'd still have Fitzgerald at 12 and Henshaw at 13 though.


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    #104
    noway12345
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    efb wrote: »
    Lads have 2 tickets for the Off The Ball thing in the point tonight- with BOD

    Pm with your email I'll send them on

    It's 5:30 don't pm if you can't go

    Free? :D


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    #105
    Laurine
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    Hi Irish friends :-) we are French and we have 5 tickets for the final quarter of Ireland Argentina. we wish to share these tickets against those of France match New Zealand. Tickets are category D. We'll be in Cardiff from Friday Oct 16th and we'd be happy to exchange these tickets over a beer
    ;-) soon


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    #106
    efb
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    Free? :D

    Yes Free


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    #107
    efb
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    Laurine wrote: »
    Hi Irish friends :-) we are French and we have 5 tickets for the final quarter of Ireland Argentina. we wish to share these tickets against those of France match New Zealand. Tickets are category D. We'll be in Cardiff from Friday Oct 16th and we'd be happy to exchange these tickets over a beer
    ;-) soon

    Best of luck theres a ticket thread you could try http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057223122&page=168


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    #108
    noway12345
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    efb wrote: »
    Yes Free

    I can't go but I'm sure someone will be grateful for your generosity.


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    #109
    jacothelad
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    total former wrote: »
    Can anyone give me a straight answer as to why Williams is the villain in all this, when no one seems to mind that Peter Stringer came straight out and said he'd drop Payne and play Earls at 13?
    Earls is his pal, he isn't a coach, he isn't a professional pundit.


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    #110
    jacothelad
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Horgan has been refreshingly critical of former team mates on plenty of occasions.

    I agree. Why sometime4s he only describes his former colleagues as 'brilliant' as opposed to his usual 'He's been absolutely brilliant.' :D


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    #111
    Pudsy33
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    It shows that he's not as big a loss as some make out and maybe our new centre partnership is better! I'd still have Fitzgerald at 12 and Henshaw at 13 though.

    I think the numbers on the backs of the centers is somewhat irrelevant, particularly in this team. We say Henshaw defending against the opposition 13 vs France, and Earls lining up against their 12. On attack, the line up according to the set move. Earls played well and I can't see him being removed. Even if Henshaw was at 13, we'd still need him to take crash balls off 10 as that's not Fitzgeralds game.


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    #112
    total former
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    Earls is his pal, he isn't a coach, he isn't a professional pundit.

    Then he should have been subjected to even more criticism. Williams at least is an impartial observer so his opinions can be taken at face value.

    People don't want to criticise Stringer because he's an Irish rugby legend whereas Matt Williams isn't.


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    #113
    MJohnston
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    total former wrote: »
    People don't want to criticise Stringer because he's an Irish rugby legend whereas Matt Williams isn't.

    Most viewers when Stringer is speaking:
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    #114
    Laurine
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    Thanks efb


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    #115
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Stringer did get some criticism for it. I myself suggested someone bringing the issue up when he was doing a Q&A with Stephen Ferris before the Italy game.

    Was Stringer as vocal in criticising Payne as Williams was? I know he said he'd play Earls there instead but did he actually lay into Payne the way Williams did? I genuinely can't remember.


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    #116
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Les Kiss implying this morning that no replacement for Payne is due this week. They seem to think they have enough cover in the backs and may wait and see where we are after the Argentina match.

    There's an update due around 1:30 on Sexton and Earls.


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    #117
    padser
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    Earls is his pal, he isn't a coach, he isn't a professional pundit.

    Eh, I'm unsure what your definition of a "professional pundit" is.

    How on earth can someone paid by Tv3 to sit in their studio during a rugby game and give his views on said game be labelled as "not a professional pundit" ??????


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    #118
    irishbucsfan
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    padser wrote: »
    Eh, I'm unsure what your definition of a "professional pundit" is.

    How on earth can someone paid by Tv3 to sit in their studio during a rugby game and give his views on said game be labelled as "not a professional pundit" ??????

    What's the difference between a semi-professional rugby player and a professional rugby player?


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    #119
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    From twitter...

    Earls didn't train today. Sexton did a modified session. They're quietly confident on Sexton.


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    #120
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Stupid double posts!


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    #121
    MJohnston
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    Earls out then perhaps? Not training isn't a good sign.


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