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    #332
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    the way i pick her quote up is that you cannot choose and slip between the two, you are either one or the other. As i said Frank Warren chose to be a woman as he felt he was born a woman in a mans body, i can only guess the pain the man went through all his life, especially in regards to the sport he was involved in. but the difference is, he made his choice and stuck to it, this bollox of well today I am a woman and I am going to wear a dress and probably tomorrow I will dress as a man sounds to me like someone is a bit mentally fcuked up.
    That's just my opinion but I am not a psychiatrist.

    Her name is Kelly Maloney


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    #333
    stephenl15
    Registered Users Posts: 5,885 ✭✭✭stephenl15


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Her name is Kelly Maloney

    That sounds pretty narky I'm sure no offense was intended by Royal, no need for it :P


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    #334
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    stephenl15 wrote: »
    That sounds pretty narky I'm sure no offense was intended by Royal, no need for it :P

    No narkiness, just giving him the correct name of the lady in question. Frank Warren is a completely different person.


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    #335
    deni20000
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭deni20000


    wonderfulname wrote: »
    So your argument is that the only thing preventing you from sexually harassing women is your gender? I think you have bigger problems than gender fluidity.

    Like I already said -
    It was a joke just to wind up politically correct people with no sense of humour - like you.


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    #336
    stephenl15
    Registered Users Posts: 5,885 ✭✭✭stephenl15


    eviltwin wrote: »
    No narkiness, just giving him the correct name of the lady in question. Frank Warren is a completely different person.

    Oops my bad :P Apologies :)


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    #337
    folamh
    Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    Links234 wrote: »
    No, I don't think she missed the point at all, that was a pretty deliberate personal attack directed at me, not in reference to story in the OP

    Gender appropriation is an attack on (and the invisiblisation of) the material reality of being female.


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    #338
    ThinkProgress
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    I think where confusion comes in here, is that people are using the words "man" and "woman"... or "male" and "female".

    As far as I know, there has never been a man/male that has become woman/female, or vise-versa... it's biologically impossible.

    You can only transition into a transgendered male or female. Or you can cross dress as a member of the opposite sex. But both are just cosmetic alterations. Your original gender remains the one you were born with.

    To remove such confusion, we should keep separate terms for these individuals. This would remove much of the confusion and arguments.

    It's very simple, a "trans-woman" is a separate entity from a "woman"... it's common sense. They use the terms "she" and "her" because it's socially more convenient. But beyond that, there are no similarities beyond the cosmetic.

    And obviously the same for trans-men. :)


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    #339
    folamh
    Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    the way i pick her quote up is that you cannot choose and slip between the two, you are either one or the other. As i said Frank Warren chose to be a woman as he felt he was born a woman in a mans body, i can only guess the pain the man went through all his life, especially in regards to the sport he was involved in. but the difference is, he made his choice and stuck to it, this bollox of well today I am a woman and I am going to wear a dress and probably tomorrow I will dress as a man sounds to me like someone is a bit mentally fcuked up.
    That's just my opinion but I am not a psychiatrist.
    My point was that, although I do not agree with transgenderism as a phenomenon, if you agree that gender dysphoria is legitimate, genderfluidity trivializes/undermines that. There is room for criticism of genderfluidity from a transgender perspective.


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    #340
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    folamh wrote: »
    Gender appropriation is an attack on (and the invisiblisation of) the material reality of being female.

    Bullish!t. Plenty of women who were born without wombs will never have to worry about the things you mentioned.....are they not women ?


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    #341
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    eviltwin wrote: »
    No narkiness, just giving him the correct name of the lady in question. Frank Warren is a completely different person.
    It's a different name but old Frank and Kelly have a huge amount in common let's be honest


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    #342
    ThinkProgress
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Links234 wrote: »
    Not rising to the bait, thanks ;)

    I'm not sure what bait you're referring to here?

    Her statement was factually correct. If you are identifying as a "trans-woman"... that's precisely what you are.

    It would be completely inaccurate to describe you as a "female" if you were born as a "male"...

    "Trans-female" yes. But not "female". :)

    Banned


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    #343
    Pretzill
    Registered Users Posts: 4,684 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    I detest political correctness and how people have to fall into certain categories or labels. But how anyone could think that a transgender male to female is an insult to women is beyond me - to be quite honest it should be more of a compliment if that's the way your mind works.


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    #344
    c montgomery
    Registered Users Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    eviltwin wrote: »
    No narkiness, just giving him the correct name of the lady in question. Frank Warren is a completely different person.

    Meh, it's the same person that used to manage frank Bruno is it not?


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    #345
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Just a point on RTE, Am I correct in that Declan Buckley rather than Shirley Temple Bar present tele bingo, and was stopped presenting it in his persona as Shirley Temple Bar?


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    #346
    strelok
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭strelok


    c montgomery wrote: »
    Meh, it's the same person that used to manage frank Bruno is it not?
    suicide_circus wrote: »
    It's a different name but old Frank and Kelly have a huge amount in common let's be honest

    pretty sure you're thinking of frank maloney


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    #347
    Hitchens
    Registered Users Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    c montgomery wrote: »
    Meh, it's the same person that used to manage frank Bruno is it not?
    "that's right, 'Arry"


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    #348
    KERSPLAT!
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    Closed for now, I'm out and about so haven't time to go through it so please be patient.


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    #349
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Sincere apologies, I was up the wall in work and was busy after.

    Anyway, thread has gone a bit off the rails with some nasty comments thrown in for good measure. I've gone through the thread and the reports and anything that we felt crossed the line was acted upon with some posters receiving bans.

    We've decided that there's nothing to gain from reopening this thread so it will remain closed.

    Cheers.


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