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Guinness Pro12 2015/2016 Season thread

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    #2
    awec
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    Mod - moved post and created new thread for next season :)


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    awec
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    Next season's odds sorted in order. I have no idea why Leinster and Munster are shorter odds than Glasgow.

    Leinster 5/2
    Munster 11/4
    Glasgow 10/3
    Ulster 4/1
    Ospreys 11/2
    Scarlets 20/1
    Edinburgh 40/1
    Cardiff 50/1
    Connacht 50/1
    Dragons 100/1
    Treviso 500/1
    Zebre 500/1


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    The Lost Sheep
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    awec wrote: »
    Next season's odds sorted in order. I have no idea why Leinster and Munster are shorter odds than Glasgow.

    Leinster 5/2
    Munster 11/4
    Glasgow 10/3
    Ulster 4/1
    Ospreys 11/2
    Scarlets 20/1
    Edinburgh 40/1
    Cardiff 50/1
    Connacht 50/1
    Dragons 100/1
    Treviso 500/1
    Zebre 500/1
    Munster will be less affected by international call ups than Glasgow so odds make sense. No idea how Leinster have shortest odds


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    Podge_irl
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Munster will be less affected by international call ups than Glasgow so odds make sense. No idea how Leinster have shortest odds

    Sexton. But he's not gonna play enough to make a difference. Though if we make the playoffs we will give us every shot.


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    wp_rathead
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    not sure what is in the charter regarding linking to other forums, but the Scarlets fans are none to pleased with the fixture list


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    thomond2006
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    not sure what is in the charter regarding linking to other forums, but the Scarlets fans are none to pleased with the fixture list

    I can't blame them. Horrific start to the season and then 3 Friday home games in three weeks.


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    vienne86
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    awec wrote: »
    Next season's odds sorted in order. I have no idea why Leinster and Munster are shorter odds than Glasgow.

    Leinster 5/2
    Munster 11/4
    Glasgow 10/3
    Ulster 4/1
    Ospreys 11/2
    Scarlets 20/1
    Edinburgh 40/1
    Cardiff 50/1
    Connacht 50/1
    Dragons 100/1
    Treviso 500/1
    Zebre 500/1

    So Leinster are favourites? Now what would that be based on?


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    phog
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    not sure what is in the charter regarding linking to other forums, but the Scarlets fans are none to pleased with the fixture list

    I haven't read too much of this season's fixtures but the Welsh in general are very annoyed at all the Sunday evening games they get.

    TBH, while TV is great for those who can't or won't go games some of the scheduling is murdering attendances.

    Something will have to give.


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    CatFromHue
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    Is it S4C who want the Sunday games?

    I thought it was Welsh driven somehow that they end up with them.


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    phog
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Is it S4C who want the Sunday games?

    I thought it was Welsh driven somehow that they end up with them.

    Almost certainly not.

    Simon Thomas a Welsh rugby journalist has mentioned the Sunday slot being left to S4C as opposed to it being their choice.


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    nc6000
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    I see Connacht v Edinburgh will clash with the World Cup final.


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    [Deleted User]
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    nc6000 wrote: »
    I see Connacht v Edinburgh will clash with the World Cup final.

    Bit of a payne for Connacht that Henshaw won't be available.


    (see what I did there)


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    .ak
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bit of a payne for Connacht that Henshaw won't be available.


    (see what I did there)


    Please leave.


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    Richard Hillman
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    No Lansdowne Road game for Leinster?


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    total former
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    No Lansdowne Road game for Leinster?

    The Munster game will be moved there.


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    total former
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    It would also appear that there is no Italian tv deal in place again.


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    CatFromHue
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    phog wrote: »
    Almost certainly not.

    Simon Thomas a Welsh rugby journalist has mentioned the Sunday slot being left to S4C as opposed to it being their choice.

    Ah right, I thought S4C did a weekend round up on a Sunday that they liked to do right after a game.


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    CatFromHue
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    total former wrote: »
    It would also appear that there is no Italian tv deal in place again.

    In week 3 Zebre v Lanelli has TBA/S4C down under the TV broadcaster and in week 6 Treviso v Leinster has Sky down as the broadcaster so hopefully there's something in the pipeline. I can't see S4C or Sky setting up themselves over there for those two games.


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    armchaircoach
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    phog wrote: »
    I haven't read too much of this season's fixtures but the Welsh in general are very annoyed at all the Sunday evening games they get.

    TBH, while TV is great for those who can't or won't go games some of the scheduling is murdering attendances.

    Something will have to give.

    Seeing as most of the Welsh fans could travel together to matches in a Fiat 500, maybe the league is just being realistic and scheduling games to suit clubs that actually have fans showing up


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    sydneybound
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    armchaircoach wrote: »
    Seeing as most of the Welsh fans could travel together to matches in a Fiat 500, maybe the league is just being realistic and scheduling games to suit clubs that actually have fans showing up


    100% agree!

    If the Welsh actually turn up for matches it would actually help matters.

    Games at Parc Y Scarlets, Arms Park and Rodney Parade often have 5,000 odd or slightly less. Given Ulster & Leinster often attract 15,000 - 18,000 it makes sense to suit them a little more. Hopefully Munster can pull their numbers up this year but would probably be better than the Ospreys.


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    phog
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    armchaircoach wrote: »
    Seeing as most of the Welsh fans could travel together to matches in a Fiat 500, maybe the league is just being realistic and scheduling games to suit clubs that actually have fans showing up

    There's a few issues with attendances in Wales but pushing Sunday games on them isn't helping anyone, especially the league.


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    Wang King
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    Could be a real lean year for attendences in this years pro12 & could possibly lead to a much needed revamp.


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    total former
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Could be a real lean year for attendences in this years pro12 & could possibly lead to a much needed revamp.

    What would you suggest for a revamp?

    Welsh attendances will improve when the teams do. People will turn up at whatever time for a winning team, not so much for mediocrity.


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    irishbucsfan
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    total former wrote: »
    What would you suggest for a revamp?

    Welsh attendances will improve when the teams do. People will turn up at whatever time for a winning team, not so much for mediocrity.

    Not putting the Munster game at a time when the Union knows it will be devalued would be wonderful.

    So frustrating to see the Munster/Connacht games being played over christmas/new year again. Such a massive waste.


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    total former
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Not putting the Munster game at a time when the Union knows it will be devalued would be wonderful.

    So frustrating to see the Munster/Connacht games being played over christmas/new year again. Such a massive waste.

    That's a tweak rather than a revamp, but derby matches over Christmas are absolutely inevitable and will remain in whatever structure you come up with. That players are rested is an IRFU decision, not a function of the league structure.


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    Wang King
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    While you have the Italian teams draining money from the league, and absolutely no TV support for the league, rubbish TV scheduling, and no attempt at growing the market, then this year is going to be pretty poor money wise for the pro12.


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    alias no.9
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    sydneybound wrote: »
    100% agree!

    If the Welsh actually turn up for matches it would actually help matters.

    Games at Parc Y Scarlets, Arms Park and Rodney Parade often have 5,000 odd or slightly less. Given Ulster & Leinster often attract 15,000 - 18,000 it makes sense to suit them a little more. Hopefully Munster can pull their numbers up this year but would probably be better than the Ospreys.

    6pm KO's on a Friday won't do much to help that


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    irishbucsfan
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    total former wrote: »
    That's a tweak rather than a revamp, but derby matches over Christmas are absolutely inevitable and will remain in whatever structure you come up with. That players are rested is an IRFU decision, not a function of the league structure.

    Derby matches over christmas are not absolutely inevitable at all.

    The fact players are rested is doubtlessly an IRFU decision, but so is the scheduling. The IRFU and the league are not the same body but they're tied at the hip both in terms of the personnel involved as well as their interests.


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    phog
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    sydneybound wrote: »
    100% agree!

    If the Welsh actually turn up for matches it would actually help matters.

    Games at Parc Y Scarlets, Arms Park and Rodney Parade often have 5,000 odd or slightly less. Given Ulster & Leinster often attract 15,000 - 18,000 it makes sense to suit them a little more. Hopefully Munster can pull their numbers up this year but would probably be better than the Ospreys.

    Munster actually increased their tickets sales for the league last season. They complained about Friday evening kick offs and were rewarded with two out of five 6pm kick offs on Friday evenings this season.

    The league has to help clubs grow the game.

    Kick off times play as much part if not more in attendances as does the quality of the game/teams.


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    total former
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Derby matches over christmas are not absolutely inevitable at all.

    Realistically they are, otherwise you're asking players to travel abroad at Christmas. I don't like that our derbies are devalued either but it's just the way it is.

    Also, so long as attendances remain high, as they are across the board, then there's no real imperative to change.


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