S05E09: The Dance of Dragons - Have NOT read the books

lbj666

nm wrote: »

My only complaint is Oberyn Martell's widow, Ellaria whatever her name is.

One second she won't even drink with a Lannister and hates Doran Martell for being spineless.

Then with one real explanation at all (one threat) she completely folds, forgives Doran, then for no reason at all assures Jaime she's cool with him as well.

Bizarre, GoT used to be better than that.

Other than that, ok episode. Need more Littlefinger though.

There a lot more own writing insted of adaptive writing in this season supposedly , its obvious where. I hope they learn from it and give another think through before season 6.

AtomicHorror

OhHiMark wrote: »

They've spent about a season or a season and a half explaining that.

You might even say that explanation has been the main subtext of Daenerys' storyline this season. The writers weren't subtle about it.

OhHiMark

brevity wrote: »

Ya, but the Sons of the Harpy only just showed up. Surely taking them out the picture might be a priority.

They have no idea who the Sons of the Harpy are, and no leads. They have no time to start an investigation. Dany has been told that they're probably people who are unhappy with how she's running the city, things like closing the fighting pits. Before this happened it was reasonable to assume that reopening the pits would placate them.

JamJamJamJam

Very interested to see how Arya gets on next week!! Also, I presume we'll get some reminder that Bran and Rickon exist?

I wonder how close the show is to catching up with the books now?

Puddle Q

Al Capwned wrote: »

Stannis and Shireen! Bloody hell, what a dick. Think he may have lost a few of his men after that! Be interesting to see what happens when Davos discovers whats happened.

So looks like Dany can actually exert some influence over her Drogon, but fling enough spears at them, and are they going to be slowed? And will Rhaegal and Viserion do the same, considering they were locked up?
And how long before Jorah's illness becomes contagious? Was the taking of his hand by Daenerys a symbolic reacceptance/forgiveness thing, or is she at risk now?

A girls story drags, but it least there was a bit of movement last night with the arrival of Trant.....

Who was he again? What did he do?

dark crystal

That ending....

Bit of Limahl anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPxTwqzr1sw

Heat_Wave

My dad absolutely loves movies like Ben Hur, Gladiator, Spartacus...

He had never heard of Game of Thrones or even knew what it was about. But he walked in as the gladiator scene had just begun and he said 'this looks great' and sat down.

He was loving it, making all the 'ouch' noises as they all struck each other, then the dragon flew in.............. And he walked out.

Great episode. I guess the older generation can't appreciate good dragons.

brevity

AtomicHorror wrote: »

You might even say that explanation has been the main subtext of Daenerys' storyline this season. The writers weren't subtle about it.

OhHiMark wrote: »

They have no idea who the Sons of the Harpy are, and no leads. They have no time to start an investigation. Dany has been told that they're probably people who are unhappy with how she's running the city, things like closing the fighting pits. Before this happened it was reasonable to assume that reopening the pits would placate them.

I get all this and but it still makes no sense to me. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's a weak storyline.

lbj666

Question , who's Stannis' heir now, is it actually Gendry?. He's some bollocks really.

lbj666

brevity wrote: »

I get all this and but it still makes no sense to me. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's a weak storyline.

The son of harpies are orchestrated by the rich families not loyal to the new queen, one of the other 2 cities either yunkai or astapor was back under a slavers control to there might be involvment there to. The idea of Dany marrying your man was to marry into one of the wealthy families and thus gaining their approval.

wp_rathead

brevity wrote: »

Ya, but the Sons of the Harpy only just showed up. Surely taking them out the picture might be a priority.

The Sons of the Harpy, we had assumed, were working for The Masters
Dany made a decision, in an atempt to stop the bloodshed, she would marry Hizdar (One of The Masters) and reopen the fighting pits (out of respect for their culture- it was seen as to UNITE the Former Slaves and The Masters)
Everything seemed to have stopped- Daario indicated that it was because Hizdar was leader of The Harpy's and he had ordered them to stop
In this episode the Harpy turned up and started killing The Masters (including Hizdar) - indicating they are not in alliance with any of The Masters

The One Harpy they had captured and maybe who we could have figured out who they are was killed by the one of the Former Slaves (Who Dany then executed, leading to the necessity to open the pits as this caused tension in Meereen)

Rega

Daenerys should let the dragons burn that city to the ground. They're only a bunch of moaning ****ers anyway.

Iwasfrozen

lbj666 wrote: »

Question , who's Stannis' heir now, is it actually Gendry?. He's some bollocks really.

Tommen. :P

catallus

I'm not getting all the hate for Stannis, to be honest; he was clearly upset at doing what he did, and his whole storyline tells us he fanatically believes he must reach the Iron Throne at any cost: he asks for his daughter's forgiveness and embraces her after giving his little speech about "doing what is necessary", and given his current position he really had no choice but to shít or get off the pot. He believes in his claim so much, so righteously, that he is willing to sacrifice his own humanity to do what he needs to do.

Maybe that little girl might be ok yet? Her having that greyscale must symbolise something, right?

Iwasfrozen

catallus wrote: »

I'm not getting all the hate for Stannis, to be honest; he was clearly upset at doing what he did, and his whole storyline tells us he fanatically believes he must reach the Iron Throne at any cost: he asks for his daughter's forgiveness and embraces her after giving his little speech about "doing what is necessary", and given his current position he really had no choice but to shít or get off the pot. He believes in his claim so much, so righteously, that he is willing to sacrifice his own humanity to do what he needs to do.

Maybe that little girl might be ok yet? Her having that greyscale must symbolise something, right?

He burned his own daughter alive, I can understand the Stannis hate. I was rooting for him.

AtomicHorror

catallus wrote: »

I'm not getting all the hate for Stannis, to be honest; he was clearly upset at doing what he did, and his whole storyline tells us he fanatically believes he must reach the Iron Throne at any cost: he asks for his daughter's forgiveness and embraces her after giving his little speech about "doing what is necessary", and given his current position he really had no choice but to shít or get off the pot. He believes in his claim so much, so righteously, that he is willing to sacrifice his own humanity to do what he needs to do.

You don't get what's wrong with the above?

catallus wrote: »

Maybe that little girl might be ok yet? Her having that greyscale must symbolise something, right?

No, she had the Westeros version of leprosy and now she's dead.

Austria!

catallus wrote: »

I'm not getting all the hate for Stannis, to be honest;

I agree. Who hasn't burnt their own daughter alive at some stage? It's PC gone mad.

Al Capwned

For those asking, Meryn Trant is the lowlife scum that killed Syrio Forel, Arya's sword teacher dude from S01.

AtomicHorror

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

He burned his own daughter alive, I can understand the Stannis hate, I was rooting for him.

I had great respect for him. First man off the boats and first to scale the ladders at Blackwater. Wouldn't ask his men to do anything he wasn't willing to do himself.

Now, what I'd like to see happen is that Ser Davos will come back from the wall, see what he's done, and cut him in two. Renly was right. He's no king.

Perhaps Ser Davos can take the black.

AtomicHorror

Austria! wrote: »

I agree. Who hasn't burnt their own daughter alive at some stage? It's PC gone mad.

Exactly, I mean it's as if people didn't notice that he's really really sorry he had to burn his own daughter alive.

NinjaTruncs

The unsullied should be renamed the unhelpful, fecking useless in a spot of bother.

sonic85

i enjoyed that episode.

thought drogon was a gonner to be honest when he was pierced by those spears - they really seemed to stop him dead in his tracks.

whats the point in having 8000 unsullied or whatever she has when she wont use them? they only ever seem to be seen in little groups and the few she had in the arena with her in this episode was fairly pathetic to be honest.

I know the sons of the harpy are employing hit and run type tactics but theres no effing way professional soldiers should be dropping like flies against a rabble with daggers.

even if theyre predominantly suited to fighting on an open battlefield surely they would've had extensive training in hand to hand and close quarters combat? I know who id fancy in an encounter between a professional battle hardened soldier and whats basically a civilian with a knife.

Alanhooly

I was sure Jorah flung the spear towards Dany at first!!

lbj666

Al Capwned wrote: »

For those asking, Meryn Trant is the lowlife scum that killed Syrio Forel, Arya's sword teacher dude from S01.

Ser Meryn is actually the biggest cnut in the whole show imo, blindly followed kings orders tore sansas gown in the grand hall, testified against Tyrion. He is actually the person i have wanted dead on that show the most, Janos was second.

Puddle Q

Al Capwned wrote: »

For those asking, Meryn Trant is the lowlife scum that killed Syrio Forel, Arya's sword teacher dude from S01.

Oh yeah i remember now ! Was there not some hope Syrik wasn't definitely dead ?

AtomicHorror

Al Capwned wrote: »

For those asking, Meryn Trant is the lowlife scum that killed Syrio Forel, Arya's sword teacher dude from S01.

He also beat up Sansa a couple of times, and testified against Tyrion at his murder trial. And now we know he's also a sexual predator. My guess is he'll be the subject of the horrible thing that happens in the finale that we can feel happy about. We'll probably need that little lift.

willmunny1990

not a bad episode.

Dorne really has been awful though, nothing of any substance and those sand snakes are laughable. The only thing good Dorne produced was Oberyn last season and your ones tits this season.

Stanis is doomed to fail, everything is too black and white with him, he has no loyalty or love, he's cold and distant and doesn't have the head for the politics of Westeros.

PressRun

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Exactly, I mean it's as if people didn't notice that he's really really sorry he had to burn his own daughter alive.

Sure, he even spoke to her and hugged her once. He's well entitled to burn her after that.

AtomicHorror

Puddle Q wrote: »

Oh yeah i remember now ! Was there not some hope Syrik wasn't definitely dead ?

Same hope we have for Benjen Stark.

It's Game of Thrones. You like a character? Great! Dead.

AtomicHorror

PressRun wrote: »

Sure, he even spoke to her and hugged her once. He's well entitled to burn her after that.

She did say she wanted to help.