S05E09: The Dance of Dragons - Have NOT read the books

wp_rathead

Fnck you Stannis!

leonil7

after the ice, comes the fire. too bad for the princess, but the dragon show was magnificent. i think the dragon got teleported in a burst of fire when danaerys simply thought about it, creatures of magic. but not having impervious skin as those spears stuck to its target.

Essien

Poor enough attempt by Drogon tbh, I really thought he was a gonner there for a minute. After 5 seasons learning about how dragons conquer all, it would have been the ultimate let down.

leonil7

true, drogon dancing would be more like a spanish bull fight if not for daenarys riding her out.

the red haired woman should be the most dreadful character of the week. this time around no jon snow to spare an arrow for the little princess.



"father help me! help me!..'' sh*t, those words will haunt stannis for the remainder of his life. what does a man profit if he gains the iron throne but loses his own soul.

Al Capwned

Stannis and Shireen! Bloody hell, what a dick. Think he may have lost a few of his men after that! Be interesting to see what happens when Davos discovers whats happened.

So looks like Dany can actually exert some influence over her Drogon, but fling enough spears at them, and are they going to be slowed? And will Rhaegal and Viserion do the same, considering they were locked up?
And how long before Jorah's illness becomes contagious? Was the taking of his hand by Daenerys a symbolic reacceptance/forgiveness thing, or is she at risk now?

A girls story drags, but it least there was a bit of movement last night with the arrival of Trant.....

wp_rathead

Feel for Danys other two dragons chained up - they only there cuase Drogon went rogue and went killing people and livestock. Now Drogon the hero

So Hizdar wasn't Leader of the Harpy afterall
If anything, was suspiciously like Daario's Plan of "gather all the master's and slaughter them" that played out

Glad for Jorah- he prob jizzed his pants when Dany took his hand

Relieved The Watch let Jon and Wildlings in- worried they would leave them out

I still can't bring myself to think what Stannis did
I shouted at my laptop

Bootsy.

Holy sh*t that was intense. I was not expecting the Harpy uprising like that. When they were surrounded in the middle it was really nerve-racking. Looks like Jorah is back in the good books again anyway. I wonder what's going to happen to Tyrion and the gang now. And has the queen fecked off altogether to hide or will she be back at the palace? I thought they would have had a lot more soldiers, it's all slipping away from them in Mereen.

As for Shireen, that was just absolutely horrible to watch. That was one of the worst things I've seen on this most f*cked-up of shows. I hope there was good reason for it.

Essien

wp_rathead wrote: »

So Hizdar wasn't Leader of the Harpy afterall
If anything, was suspiciously like Daario's Plan of "gather all the master's and slaughter them" that played out

Could be on to something there. They made a real point of showing the contrast between both characters then we pretty much see that Hizdar wasn't who we thought he was. Could we find out the same about Daario?

Also, Dany should have greyscale now shouldn't she? (After holding Jorahs hand)

chasmcb

wp_rathead wrote: »

I still can't bring myself to think what Stannis did
I shouted at my laptop

It was awful. We have had mega-slaughter horrors like the Red Wedding and the Wildling v White Walker carnage last week but the spectacle of Shireen being marched to the stake and burnt and her pitiful cries to her dad, fooook me!!!

OldieWilson

Essien wrote: »

Could be on to something there. They made a real point of showing the contrast between both characters then we pretty much see that Hizdar wasn't who we thought he was. Could we find out the same about Daario?

Also, Dany should have greyscale now shouldn't she? (After holding Jorahs hand)

May be wrong but I thought it was implied that it's only infectious once you become a full-on stoneman?

Al Capwned

Al Capwned wrote: »

Stannis and Shireen! Bloody hell, what a dick. Think he may have lost a few of his men after that! Be interesting to see what happens when Davos discovers whats happened.

In fairness, he knew exactly what was going to happen, and exactly why he was being sent away on a mission.

Essien

Too early for the funny thread I guess...

Hank Scorpio

Writing and acting was poor in that episode imo.

Nothing was shown of Ramsey and his attackers, simultaneously lighting fires all at once and nobody seeing them felt lazy. Although they were attacked, Stannis deciding to sacrifice his daughter out of the blue just seemed misplaced without any build up and Davos just riding off into the sunset, or the talking in Dorne to Jaime with Bronn getting a smack on his head felt really poorly done. Haven't warmed to the Dorne stuff at all. Hand slapping each other in prison, so badass! I'm convinced.

Another thing that irked me was the scene with the young girl in the brothel. We already had a Sansa rape scene this season. I got it, Arya doesn't like Meryn Trant because he killed the swordman who trained her and was a robot for Joffrey. It just felt like she was aimlessly following him around then ended it with a shock scene which wasn't needed.

Olly's screen time involves him giving Jon Snow a dirty look, it must be the 3rd or 4th time this has happened. Tyrion looks unconvincing in this new role so far and it would be a shame for his cunning and devious ways to be reduced to something flat.

Hate to say it but I don't rate Emilia Clarke as an actress, she has the same expression on her face as posted in that gif above whenever anything comes up, that or a blank expression. The final scene was poorly done too I thought and the CGI bad. They seemed totally outnumbered, I know the Dragon killed men but it just didn't work for me at all. Her riding off and leaving the comrades behind didn't feel right either.

I thought the last episode was excellent but season 5 has easily been the worst so far imho. Would rate this episode a 5

Hank Scorpio

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Writing and acting was poor in that episode imo.

Nothing was shown of Ramsey and his attackers, simultaneously lighting fires all at once and nobody seeing them felt lazy. Although they were attacked, Stannis deciding to sacrifice his daughter out of the blue just seemed misplaced without any build up and Davos just riding off into the sunset...

I didn't feel that what Ramsey was up to needed to be shown, they hit them unawares, which is exactly what we got. I also didn't think the sacrifice was out of the blue, we know he had agonised over it, but then his hand was forced. Davos knew what was going to happen when he was sent away, which was why he went out of his way to see Shireen before he left. I actually thought at that point he was going to try to take off with her.

Another thing that irked me was the scene with the young girl in the brothel. We already had a Sansa rape scene this season. I got it, Arya doesn't like Meryn Trant because he killed the swordman who trained her and was a robot for Joffrey. It just felt like she was aimlessly following him around then ended it with a shock scene which wasn't needed.

Maybe GoT has numbed me, but I didn't view that as a shock scene. My assumption is that scene is leading to how Arya will get her man, but hey...maybe they just put it in for the shock factor.

wp_rathead

What I'm confused about is - were the Harpy killing the Master's?
I thought they were on the side of the Master's?
(I was half asleep watching it this morning so highly possible I got mixed up)

ricero

Jasus stannis makes ramsey Bolton look like the pope after that episode

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Good episode, not particularly great though. This season in comparison to the previous 4 has been a major letdown bar the last episode, which funnily enough was probably the best episode of the entire series.

bopper

Essien wrote: »

Also, Dany should have greyscale now shouldn't she? (After holding Jorahs hand)

Not unless she touched the actual greyscale.

lertsnim

The penultimate episode strikes again.

Essien

Essien wrote: »

Poor enough attempt by Drogon tbh, I really thought he was a gonner there for a minute. After 5 seasons learning about how dragons conquer all, it would have been the ultimate let down.

I'm thinking they have quite a bit to grow, and also perhaps their scales harden eventually? I think this is just to show that he's becoming ready/old enough to fight, but isn't a total war machine just yet.

I suppose it would be a little too much for them to be a complete "game over" straight off the bat. Still a few seasons to go yet!

chasmcb

Stannis better capture Winterfell and kill Ramsay now

Alfred Borden

:pac:

Roar

Dragon ex machina

Shane St.

I thought the final scene was poor as well. I guess all the CGI budget went on last week!

FortuneChip

chasmcb wrote: »

Stannis better get captured at Winterfell and killed by Ramsay now

Hmm, I'd be inclined to agree.

J. Marston

Whatever about Stannis being an absolute bastard, I'm hoping Brienne sorts him out, but Melisandre....that bitch needs to be slaughtered.

drugstore cowboy

Liam Cunnigham will sort Stannis out for this.

ricero

Was just thinking would the starks blood be deemed kings blood ? If so rikon, bran and sansa are in trouble if stannis gets them.

catallus

I don't really know what's going on in Arya's storyline this week because everything is so dark I can't see what's happening

Nody

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K4t

Terrible episode up until Sir Friend zone threw the spear towards the royal box. Another tedious battle scene transpires from there, similar to last week's ending, though more cleverly done, and with a dragon instead of a giant.

Serious decline in quality this season unfortunately. Last week's episode wasn't much better, though most were too enamoured with the wildlings scene at the end to care.

At least the finale can't be much worse than the episodes thus far.

Strongbow10

stupid question but why did Jorrah throw the spear? was it to prevent an attack on the queen? I was half asleep watching this morning

ceadaoin.

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Writing and acting was poor in that episode imo.

Nothing was shown of Ramsey and his attackers, simultaneously lighting fires all at once and nobody seeing them felt lazy. Although they were attacked, Stannis deciding to sacrifice his daughter out of the blue just seemed misplaced without any build up and Davos just riding off into the sunset, or the talking in Dorne to Jaime with Bronn getting a smack on his head felt really poorly done. Haven't warmed to the Dorne stuff at all. Hand slapping each other in prison, so badass! I'm convinced.

Another thing that irked me was the scene with the young girl in the brothel. We already had a Sansa rape scene this season. I got it, Arya doesn't like Meryn Trant because he killed the swordman who trained her and was a robot for Joffrey. It just felt like she was aimlessly following him around then ended it with a shock scene which wasn't needed.

Olly's screen time involves him giving Jon Snow a dirty look, it must be the 3rd or 4th time this has happened. Tyrion looks unconvincing in this new role so far and it would be a shame for his cunning and devious ways to be reduced to something flat.

Hate to say it but I don't rate Emilia Clarke as an actress, she has the same expression on her face as posted in that gif above whenever anything comes up, that or a blank expression. The final scene was poorly done too I thought and the CGI bad. They seemed totally outnumbered, I know the Dragon killed men but it just didn't work for me at all. Her riding off and leaving the comrades behind didn't feel right either.

I thought the last episode was excellent but season 5 has easily been the worst so far imho. Would rate this episode a 5

Stannis sacrificing Shireen wasn't out of the blue really. He had discussed it with Melisandre not too long ago when he point blank refused and obviously his changing fortunes made him reconsider. I thought the point of the Meryn Trant scene was to show a way for Arya to gain access to him and finally tick a name off her list. I do think Aryas story was given too much screen time this episode though, it could have been a lot shorter.

ceadaoin.

Strongbow10 wrote: »

stupid question but why did Jorrah throw the spear? was it to prevent an attack on the queen? I was half asleep watching this morning

Yeah there was one of those harpy fellas creeping up behind her while everyone was distracted.

Austria!

I didn't like the 20 good men nonsense. It strains credibility to have them get away with that. Of course it was to give Stanis motivation to burn his daughter, but that could have easily been done with some hired soldiers running away, or a sickness running through the camp etc.

Did Davos know they were going to burn her? If he did his behaviour is in complete contrast to him saving Gendry who he didn't know at all.

Slight question over the logistics of everyone in the stadium being sons of the harpy, big questions on why they stood menacingly around her for a while instead of attacking. Odd that the dragons could burn that slavers bay place to the ground as babies, but that one struggled with half a stadium of people.

Happy to see Bronn live, less happy to see those sand sisters change from deadly assassins to happy slappers.

Think would have been better to swap the last two scenes. Hard to be elated for Dani after the girl died, but having been elated for Dani and then getting that upsetting burning would have made it even more gut-wrenching.

Arya's story has been terrible, but now things are happening it's ok again.

K4t wrote: »

Terrible episode up until Sir Friend zone threw the spear towards the royal box. Another tedious battle scene transpires from there

It was a terrible episode until the last scene, which was a tedious battle scene? Is this like two negatives making a positive for you?

PressRun

I'm finding it difficult to read what Melisandre is about. Something tells me she has a whole other agenda that doesn't really include Stannis and he's being taken for a fool.

mrkite77

Austria! wrote: »

Did Davos know they were going to burn her? If he did his behaviour is in complete contrast to him saving Gendry who he didn't know at all.

Pretty sure he did. That's why he tried to take her with him, and why he gave her the statue and basically said "goodbye" to her. He knew he why he was being sent away, and it wasn't to ask for more soldiers.

K4t

Austria! wrote: »

It was a terrible episode until the last scene, which was a tedious battle scene? Is this like two negatives making a positive for you?

Tedious =/ Terrible. The throwing of the spear was the only thing done well in the entire episode imo, the only moment of tension or excitement - Shireen's burning was simply embarrassing. It's a much poorer show when Littlefinger and Roose Bolton are absent, and of course Jon Snow, who only had time to share another foreboding stare with Olly. I would have added Stannis to that list, but if Shireen has indeed been burned alive, then he's dead to me as a character, and I can see poor Ser Davos having a nervous breakdown wondering why he showed so much loyalty to a mad king.

wp_rathead

K4t wrote: »

Serious decline in quality this season unfortunately.

Since Episode 7 the season has picked up drastically
Can't understand how you found episode 8 poor but fair enough

Todd Toddington III

Essien wrote:

Poor enough attempt by Drogon tbh, I really thought he was a gonner there for a minute. After 5 seasons learning about how dragons conquer all, it would have been the ultimate let down.

He's still only a baby don't forget. Remember the size of the dragon skulls in Kings landing. As big as a small bus if I recall

FloatingVoter

Very Ray Harryhausen. Don't get me wrong, Clash of the Titans special effects / crap acting and beer kept us kids happy back in the day. But winking dragons and Russell Crowe with a crush just brings laughter. Nice to see the annoying child turned into a firelighter. One less.
If the dwarf gets killed, I'll be getting my coat. Nice piece of throat slashing and thoughtful stroking of beard at the end ..."hmmm, this dragon needs an agent and could come in useful back home".

Alfred Borden

Tywin has been a massive loss

K4t

PressRun wrote: »

I'm finding it difficult to read what Melisandre is about. Something tells me she has a whole other agenda that doesn't really include Stannis and he's being taken for a fool.

She has been a nut job from the beginning. Horrible creature. No better than the sparrows in Kingslanding. In fact, this season has been a massive indictment on religious fanaticism more than anything. Good article here on this week's episode - http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/game-of-thrones-shireen-melisandre-explainer/?_r=0

mrkite77 wrote: »

Pretty sure he did. That's why he tried to take her with him, and why he gave her the statue and basically said "goodbye" to her. He knew he why he was being sent away, and it wasn't to ask for more soldiers.

Disagree completely. Davos to Stannis - "A siege is no place for a young girl" - this would indicate that he did not know they were planning on burning Shireen, but rather that he was concerned for her safety in the conditions they were and subsequently would be living in when Stannis' army lay siege to Winterfell.

GottaGetGatt

mrkite77 wrote: »

Pretty sure he did. That's why he tried to take her with him, and why he gave her the statue and basically said "goodbye" to her. He knew he why he was being sent away, and it wasn't to ask for more soldiers.

No he didn't know.that's why Stannis sent him back to castle black.

Essien

K4t wrote: »

Disagree completely. Davos to Stannis - "A siege is no place for a young girl" - this would indicate that he did not know they were planning on burning Shireen, but rather that he was concerned for her safety in the conditions they were and subsequently would be living in when Stannis' army lay siege to Winterfell.

I was under the impression both he and Stannis knew what he was trying to do but neither wanted to say it.

K4t

Essien wrote: »

I was under the impression both he and Stannis knew what he was trying to do but neither wanted to say it.

Davos would rather have died than allow Shireen to be burnt alive imo (as would have Stannis, before he sacrificed his sanity to Melisandre). I don't think he would have willingly left the camp while knowing what was about to happen. The Stannis that Davos has served loyally for years has been disappearing for a while, and is certainly dead now if Shireen is; he can't be reasoned with anymore, just look at the amount of scenes where Davos speaks sense and uses reason to strengthen his arguments, yet Stannis simply ignores his advice and follows the word of that stupid b*tch. Whatever about Shireen, RIP Stannis.

Brendan Filone

Davos, I know why they call you the Onion Knight now for real.

mikefoxo

Can it get any worse than burning your child alive? Has GoT reached its zenith?

tvnutz

The CGI was dodgy when she was flying off but other than that it looked well. Its a TV show not a movie, can't be expecting hundreds of millions of dollars worth of special effects.

My annoyance was with how Drogan nearly went down over a few spears. I thought Dragons were so powerful that nothing could really stop them. He looked like he was nearly going to die. I assumed his skin would be so thick spears wouldn't be able to pierce them. Also all he had to do was fly in a circle around the arena breathing fire and that would have been that!

As for Stannis...no more support for him, hope he and the crazy fire lady get gutted!

tvnutz

tvnutz wrote: »

The CGI was dodgy when she was flying off but other than that it looked well. Its a TV show not a movie, can't be expecting hundreds of millions of dollars worth of special effects.

My annoyance was with how Drogan nearly went down over a few spears. I thought Dragons were so powerful that nothing could really stop them. He looked like he was nearly going to die. I assumed his skin would be so thick spears wouldn't be able to pierce them. Also all he had to do was fly in a circle around the arena breathing fire and that would have been that!

As for Stannis...no more support for him, hope he and the crazy fire lady get gutted!

For the nth time in this thread - they aren't fully grown. The stories of dragons that we've heard mentioned through the span of the show (Field of Fire) make out that they have the ability to burn entire armies in minutes when fully grown.

Not a NSA agent

I used to like Stannis, I could see a few people thinking he's gone mad like Aegon did.

I think Aegon was the king Jamie killed but not sure.