The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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irishguitarlad wrote: »

I'm calling it now, it will be a mayo v kerry final,after watching both donegal and dublin, I don't think they are up to much. As a kerry man i would be fearful of Mayo as they would be up for some serious revenge after last years semis.

Translation: I hope t'fcuk that Mayo take Dublin as we'll hammer them in the final as usual. They always sh1t their pants against us.

OldMrBrennan83

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iDave

A B competition would simply crystallise counties status in the pecking order.
Not one county has managed to use the lower hurling competitions to be more competitive.
Nevertheless I am worried about the state of football around the country. No team should ever concede 7 goals in an All Ireland quarter final.

lostcat

Mayo are going to have to beat the last three champions from here on in, rather a tall ask.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Patww79 wrote: »

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It doesn't take away hope form the smaller counties.

If there is a second tier they can simply get promoted and then compete in the mains championship just like in club football or any other sport across the world.

Dirty Dingus McGee

iDave wrote: »

A B competition would simply crystallise counties status in the pecking order.
Not one county has managed to use the lower hurling competitions to be more competitive.
Nevertheless I am worried about the state of football around the country. No team should ever concede 7 goals in an All Ireland quarter final.

Those counties never had any success or interest in hurling in the first place and that is why they are struggling.

Teams have been able to move up through the divisions in the league and improve the same would apply if the championship had tiers.

Happyman42

iDave wrote: »

No team should ever concede 7 goals in an All Ireland quarter final.

They had a bad day, and need to go back to the drawing board. On another day they may not ship such a score.
Yesterday was nothing new, teams have taken hammerings like that over many years, I painfully remember being on the recieving end of a few from Kerry during the 80's. (Monaghan) Now we are deservedly in a quarter final and are looking to go further.
Fermanagh where just as likely to take a Kildare style hammering yesterday and many (including myself) where expecing it.
Instead they have gone home with their heads held high and their tails up, a great platform for them and McGrath to build on and as Quigley pointed out, 'with no interest' in a two tier set-up.

Magill46

Happyman42 wrote: »

They had a bad day, and need to go back to the drawing board. On another day they may not ship such a score.
Yesterday was nothing new, teams have taken hammerings like that over many years, I painfully remember being on the recieving end of a few from Kerry during the 80's. (Monaghan) Now we are deservedly in a quarter final and are looking to go further.
Fermanagh where just as likely to take a Kildare style hammering yesterday and many (including myself) where expecing it.
Instead they have gone home with their heads held high and their tails up, a great platform for them and McGrath to build on and as Quigley pointed out, 'with no interest' in a two tier set-up.

They had a bad day?

They gave up. Simple as that. Effort doesn't take talent. It just takes effort. Anyone can try, they just have to be bothered. Not one single Kildare player can be proud of yesterday. Usually in these situations someone stands up. They were a complete and utter disgrace.
Monaghan got a tanking like this in 79, 5-14 v 0-7. But that was against the greatest team of all time at their peak. And Nudie won an All Star based on his performance that day and Paddy Linden won Save of the Year and runner up in Save of the Year for stops made on that day. No Nudies or Linden's in Kildare!

Happyman42

Magill46 wrote: »

They had a bad day?

They gave up. Simple as that. Effort doesn't take talent. It just takes effort. Anyone can try, they just have to be bothered. Not one single Kildare player can be proud of yesterday. Usually in these situations someone stands up. They were a complete and utter disgrace.
Monaghan got a tanking like this in 79, 5-14 v 0-7. But that was against the greatest team of all time at their peak. And Nudie won an All Star based on his performance that day and Paddy Linden won Save of the Year and runner up in Save of the Year for stops made on that day. No Nudies or Linden's in Kildare!

They gave up is a bit harsh.

Anyway, they are now faced with a choice, same as Monaghan, are you gonna compete or drop out of contention. Same choice they or any one else has to make in a two tier system.

Fr Tod Umptious

lostcat wrote: »

Mayo are going to have to beat the last three champions from here on in, rather a tall ask.

Will they ?

When did Tyrone or Monaghan win last ?

keeponhurling

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Will they ?

When did Tyrone or Monaghan win last ?

Assuming Kerry beat Monaghan/Tyrone in the semi final.

For Mayo:
They play Donegal next,
if they win they play Dublin in a semi final,
if they win that probably Kerry in the final.

So there's the last 3 winners

DDC1990

keeponhurling wrote: »

Assuming Kerry beat Monaghan/Tyrone in the semi final.

For Mayo:
They play Donegal next,
if they win they play Dublin in a semi final,
if they win that probably Kerry in the final.

So there's the last 3 winners

That's quite the assumption.

K-9

Patww79 wrote: »

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Yeah, the current structures are really working.

The current structures give the likes of Carlow or Waterford no chance and watching them take 20 or 30 point hammerings is sadistic stuff! The Qualifiers are no good to them either.

The Qualifiers started us down the road of alternative structures for the top counties, something needs to be done for the forgotten counties.

League needs to play a part in it as it's when most counties get competitive action. I think some type of feeder system from the bottom 8 or 10 teams where they get competitive games before they play the big boys makes sense. Maybe mini provincials in Munster, Leinster and Connaught anyway, rather than doing nothing. It has helped Laois in hurling.

K-9

DDC1990 wrote: »

That's quite the assumption.

People will never learn. We've had a surprise finalist for the last few years, even 2 last year and 2012.

keeponhurling

For Mayo to win Sam, they need to beat 2 (and possibly 3) or the last 3 All-Ireland winners.

The_Honeybadger

keeponhurling wrote: »

For Mayo to win Sam, they need to beat 2 (and possibly 3) or the last 3 All-Ireland winners.

That's a huge ask, probably beyond them in all honesty. Dubs are hot favourites to come out of that side of the draw and I'd be surprised if they don't. No way they'll be caught out again in the manner they were last year.

You'd have to fancy Kerry to beat either Tyrone or Monaghan also, although as somebody correctly pointed out we've had a lot of surprises at the semis in recent years so you never know.

Hoping for some really cracking games in the coming weeks.

keeponhurling

mickeyk wrote: »

That's a huge ask, probably beyond them in all honesty. .

Yes, probably. That's why they are 7/1 in the bookies in the All-Ireland, and 7/2 to even reach the final.

To be honest, I think they're vulnerable to being knocked out by Donegal this weekend.

DoctaDee

homerjay2005 wrote: »

What financial advantage does Kerry have? Everything we have is based on fundraising and gates receipts.

We get f all off other means unlike Cork and Dublin.

Just to clarify the fundraising for those that may think it's an aul fella waving a tin outside half 10 mass on a Sunday

Jayop

Dublin and Mayo will have been seen as favourites before the weekend, but Kerry have absolutely put themselves in the driving seat. You could argue that none of them have had a decent test yet to see where they are, but all three have managed to absolutely demolish teams the likes of which we've not seen for a long time from three sides.

The three southern team have all had big wins and all look to be in serious form. None of them have had to play one of the top sides yet so it's really hard to know.

Dublin pissed though Leinster and had a handy enough quarter with Fermanagh. They still struggled a wee bit against them to really put them to the sword but in the long run they'll have been better off with an eight point win than another 20 point demolition.

Mayo didn't have it all their own way against Galway in their first game but they hammered a half decent Sligo side. Not seen them yet against any real challengers so hard to really judge.

Kerry as per didn't look great till they got out of Munster but once they got to Croker they open the flaps and pissed all over Kildare. They look to me to be the team to beat. Strong all over the pitch with a great system and the best set of forwards in the game at the minute.

The three northern teams have all played against each other already so you have a better idea of where they're at.

Monaghan as Ulster champions had a handy run though to the Ulster final with Cavan and Fermanagh but in fairness to them they did the business against Donegal in the final Donegal did throw it away in the second half with bad shooting though so they're probably not just as strong as TSG panel were making out over the weekend. Big strong lads and a great system to stop other teams running up scores but they are very heavily relent on a few players to get the scores for them.

Donegal had a harder path to the Ulster final. Were pretty lucky against Tyrone in the prelim but since then have beat Armagh, Derry and Galway and they probably should have beaten Monaghan. The forwards look to be clicking again and if they can get Lacy back they could do damage.

Tyrone in my totally unbiased opinion were hard done by against Donegal in the opener in Ulster. They looked good enough in that game and were leading well into the second half. Since then they've gone though the qualifiers with handy enough draws and have looked better every time they played. The second half Vs Tipp was awesome and never looked in danger beating Sligo.


The Quarters

Dublin and Kerry already though.

Monaghan Vs Tyrone - The first of the bigish teams to leave the championship happens here. Monagan will be confident being Ulster Champs and having beat Tyrone by a point last year in Ulster, but in Croker Park I'd fancy Tyrone to get one over them. We've added a bit more guile this year with some of the U21's and our forwards are all scoring big numbers of points. Big worry is Tyrone struggle for goals and despite opening up Tipp and Sligo on a few occasions we're not getting enough and haven't scored more than one per game in the 5 games so far.

Verdict = Tyrone by 2 points

Mayo Vs Donegal - Donegal were never 10 points better than Galway at the weekend and they're facing a different animal on saturday. If Mayo get a head of steam up early they could blow Donegal away but if Donegal can stay in it for the first half hour they have a great chance now with Murphy really starting to play well.

verdict - Mayo by 5 points

Semi finals

Kerry Vs Tyrone - Really hard to see Tyrone winning this, but a semi this year would be a great return for us. Out of the three other potential semi teams Kerry would be the one Tyrone would be happiest to face I think but even with that they should be too strong. We have a chance for sure but not enough experience to beat these lads.

Verdict - Kerry by 4 points

Dublin Vs Mayo - Potentially the game of the year. Both teams full of huge men and great skillful players. An absolute battle that's anyones to call. I'd fancy Mayo's reluctance to win big games at Croker Vs Dublins expereince at HQ to be the deciding factors.

Verdict - Dublin by 3 points

homewardbound11

Fairly
accurate account so far of the championship. I'm still hoping mayos defender return to 2012 levels but that won't come with the same defensive players this time around . We need to make use of the additionalidifelders . Getting too late for experimentation.
I see on the Kerry boards the already are looking at Dublin in the final.

Stoner

To be honest Donegal have shown signs of being capable of being as good as they have ever looked in the second half of the UF.

I could see them coming out of that side of the draw as much as I could Dublin or Mayo

Jayop

Stoner wrote: »

To be honest Donegal have shown signs of being capable of being as good as they have ever looked in the second half of the UF.

I could see them coming out of that side of the draw as much as I could Dublin or Mayo

They looked good but they still missed an awful lot. If they could combine the second half with Galway and the second half with Monaghan I'd agree.

They need a better start than they've had in any big game this year.

Vs Tyrone - 2 points up at half time
Vs Monghan - 4 points down
Vs Galway - All square

That won't be good enough on Saturday.

Poor_old_gill

DoctaDee wrote: »

Just to clarify the fundraising for those that may think it's an aul fella waving a tin outside half 10 mass on a Sunday

Aye but the level of organisation and the structures required to raise that kind of money don't just happen- they are part of a concerted effort by Kerry to raise money so that they can compete.
Why aren't other counties doing the same is the real question?

Sure Dublin have the ability to raise large amounts of cash domestically, which no other county does, so Kerry have been creative and proactive in tapping into the ex-pat market. Why can't Meath, Kildare, Cork, etc do this? They'd rather whinge and expect to live off Central Council handouts is the answer

corny

homewardbound11 wrote: »

Fairly
accurate account so far of the championship. I'm still hoping mayos defender return to 2012 levels but that won't come with the same defensive players this time around . We need to make use of the additionalidifelders . Getting too late for experimentation.
I see on the Kerry boards the already are looking at Dublin in the final.

Not even. Looking passed Dublin to collecting the trophy would be more apt.

Jayop

corny wrote: »

Not even. Looking passed Dublin to collecting the trophy would be more apt.

Can you really blame them for being cocky gits?

harpsman

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Donegal have been brutal going forward for most of the match.Their obsession with endless recycling possession when they have 3 ball winning full forwards who they can target.It really beggars belief why they are so unbelievably conservative today despite being completely the opposite against Armagh earlier in the year.It's almost as if they are afraid to play off the cuff and have to have everything pre programmed for them.

I doubt Galway would be able to cope with them if they left McBrearty,McFadden and Murphy inside launched long balls in and worked off of that.

I worried for Galway after the goal but since then they have been the better team.

Think how frustrating it is for Donegal supporters!! I know we want to get Murphy in the game as much as possible and he is double marked alot inside but given the damage he has caused over the years when hes gone in there you would think it would be worth a few quiet spells for the big moments. Would love to see us play with a 3 man forward line and try kick passing the ball(rather than just lumping every ball to the edge of the square) to them, but I guess we'll just persist with the short passing.

keeponhurling

Just for clarification purposes, Cork would be already in the semi finals only for a bad refereeing decision, according to their county board

http://www.gaacork.ie/news/363765/Statement_issued_by_Cork_County_GAA_Board_Brian_Cuthbert

That could have been Cork putting 7 goals past Kildare yesterday

OldMrBrennan83

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DoctaDee

Is the Cork PRO a former script writer on Father Ted ? .. utter nonsense and the Cork supporters deserve better than that as a revision of their football season

zetecescort

DoctaDee wrote: »

Is the Cork PRO a former script writer on Father Ted ? .. utter nonsense and the Cork supporters deserve better than that as a revision of their football season

yeah, didn't take long for them to prove Donal Og Cusack's point of view. we are the laughing stock of the country because of these clowns.