Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

CiDeRmAn

But a single number seems to have been all the Playstation series needed to differentiate successfully between generations.
All the NES needed was an "S" !!
Still, there was plenty that went wrong with the WiiU, I think the lack of EA support was the thing that nailed it tbh, similar to the experience on the Dreamcast. I'm not saying it was all that was wrong with the WiiU, but it certainly was one of the thousand cuts that led to it's commercial demise.

A WiiU, as powerful as the competition, with full 3rd party support and a marketing campaign directed at people who play games, perhaps that's all Nintendo needed to do, as if it's as simple as that!
But, a WiiU, eschewing the Touchpad, with something as simple as an updated Gamecube pad, and internal gubbins to keep up with the MS and Sony offerings, which aren't particularly revolutionary themselves, that might have sold buckets.

Lets hope the NX is gimmick/novelty free and a console for the gamers, rather than some ill defined portmanteau of a market share that the WiiU not only failed to sell to but failed to prove existed.
I think most WiiUs were bought by people like us, who'd buy bog roll if it had the Nintendo stamp on it.

iamtony

Myrddin wrote: »

Nintendo failed to realise that the Wii was, in essence, a fluke.

That's it all summed up right there unfortunately. It's as simple as that Nintendo are dirt in the eyes of the larger gaming community and they got lucky with the Wii as it was a novelty. I think what ever they do has to be as novel as the Wii or it will fail again. Unfortunately that's not what we Nintendo fans want.
And I think 90% of the people who but the 3ds are parents for there kids.

OwaynOTT

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

But a single number seems to have been all the Playstation series needed to differentiate successfully between generations.
All the NES needed was an "S" !!
Still, there was plenty that went wrong with the WiiU, I think the lack of EA support was the thing that nailed it tbh, similar to the experience on the Dreamcast. I'm not saying it was all that was wrong with the WiiU, but it certainly was one of the thousand cuts that led to it's commercial demise.

A WiiU, as powerful as the competition, with full 3rd party support and a marketing campaign directed at people who play games, perhaps that's all Nintendo needed to do, as if it's as simple as that!
But, a WiiU, eschewing the Touchpad, with something as simple as an updated Gamecube pad, and internal gubbins to keep up with the MS and Sony offerings, which aren't particularly revolutionary themselves, that might have sold buckets.

Lets hope the NX is gimmick/novelty free and a console for the gamers, rather than some ill defined portmanteau of a market share that the WiiU not only failed to sell to but failed to prove existed.
I think most WiiUs were bought by people like us, who'd buy bog roll if it had the Nintendo stamp on it.

Super Nes and the marketed that fairly heavily. And 1-2 is a more apparent upgrade than nothing - U.

Managers in retail shops didn't know what the WiiU was, that's how poorly Nintendo did.

CiDeRmAn

Is there a case to make that Nintendo lack the kind of relationship that Sony pioneered with retailers and was adopted by MS, bringing promotions and personalised sales and marketing to sellers, supporting them rather than a hands off approach such as Nintendo historically have had.
I know way back in my day Sony reps were fantastic and enthusiastic and this was infectious, with the console representing a new wave of gaming in the mid 90s.
Poor old Sega and Nintendo just didn't do this and were quickly seen as old hat, despite the objective evidence that their products and games had just as much merit.
I don't know what Nintendo reps are like now, I can only assume with the poor showing of the WiiU and the reported lack of recognition of the format as a new system, that they didn't do their job.

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

But a single number seems to have been all the Playstation series needed to differentiate successfully between generations.
All the NES needed was an "S" !!

The Nintendo moving to a SUPER Nintendo did convey though that there was a generational leap being made (it was more than a mere S to be fair), and coupled with the heavy marketing...customers were indeed left with no doubt the two consoles were very different beasts. Ask yourself, would the masses have gone out and paid €350 for a "Gamecube B", years after they last turned on their Gamecube?

It's different with the Playstation, the first one broke the industry to bits with its dominance. It was no fluke, it delivered and kept on delivering through its lifespan (unlike the Wii), so in essence, the PS1 was always popular and was never far from the forefront of gaming. Sony then marketed the PS2 correctly, and indeed, customers were left in no uncertain terms that the PS2 was going to be every bit as good as the PS1 and beyond...and indeed it was.

The Wii U, conveyed none of the above. It's Nintendo clinging on to this "Mii" "Wii" "You" stuff that killed the Wii U...they failed to realise the Wii was a success born of the fad gimmick of motion controllers (a few notable exceptions aside)...when the time came for a successor to the Wii, they made a crucial mistake in keeping lineage with the Wii name, despite breaking away from motion controls.

ThisRegard

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Super Nes and the marketed that fairly heavily.

Street Fighter 2 bundled with it more or less sold the SNES.

CiDeRmAn

Myrddin wrote: »

It's different with the Playstation, the first one broke the industry to bits with its dominance. It was no fluke, it delivered and kept on delivering through its lifespan (unlike the Wii), so in essence, the PS1 was always popular and was never far from the forefront of gaming. Sony then marketed the PS2 correctly, and indeed, customers were left in no uncertain terms that the PS2 was going to be every bit as good as the PS1 and beyond...and indeed it was.

Sony were very clever in capitalising on the currency in it's Playstation brand, so much so that people bought into the next gen before it was even out.
The Dreamcast, all blessings be upon it, was competing not with the PS, Saturn and the N64, but with the future legend of the PS2, expectations of greatness echoing back in time from a year in the future, stifling DC and Sega's hopes by virtue of what the PS2 was going to be.
Feckers!
The PS2 turned out to be an awesome machine, but it didn't start out that way, and the DC just never got pushed in it's commercial lifespan, with support from both devs and consumers being held in check while they awaited something perceived as better.

Nollog

OwaynOTT wrote: »

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think it reflects that people are, in many cases, as dumb as a bucket of frogs.

But Nintendo should know that and spoon-feed their products to the masses.

Add your reply here.
That is indeed their advertising department's job.

CiDeRmAn

Nintendo had no problem getting people to sign up for each incremental iteration of the DS hardware, DS, DSlite, DSi, DSiXL, 3DS, 3DSXL, 2DS, N3DS, N3DSXL.... but slap a U on the end of Wii and the gaming population of the globe drop IQ points and think it's the second coming of the MegaCD!

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Nintendo had no problem getting people to sign up for each incremental iteration of the DS hardware, DS, DSlite, DSi, DSiXL, 3DS, 3DSXL, 2DS, N3DS, N3DSXL....

I'd be interested in seeing sales figures for the DS and DS Lite, compared to figures from the 'i' range...I'd imagine the Lite trumps them all by a long way. The 3DS range, had an immediate hook too, 3D technology...which is more than can say for the Wii U...(we, you)...it conveys nothing of the console:

Super Nintendo - like a Nintendo only super powered!
Nintendo 64 - 64 bits of Ninty greatness!
Nintendo Gamecube - it plays games, different ones to the N64!
Nintendo Wii - Gets a few mates over, be great craic!
Nintendo Wii U - Uh, I have one of them sitting in the corner since 2010!

OwaynOTT

Myrddin wrote: »

I'd be interested in seeing sales figures for the DS and DS Lite, compared to figures from the 'i' range...I'd imagine the Lite trumps them all by a long way. The 3DS range, had an immediate hook too, 3D technology...which is more than can say for the Wii U...(we, you)...it conveys nothing of the console:

Super Nintendo - like a Nintendo only super powered!
Nintendo 64 - 64 bits of Ninty greatness!
Nintendo Gamecube - it plays games, different ones to the N64!
Nintendo Wii - Gets a few mates over, be great craic!
Nintendo Wii U - Uh, I have one of them sitting in the corner since 2010!

The i range sold less than the lite range when I was at Xtravision and at the time they had large Nintendo sales.
I can't imagine it did terrible well and I doubt the new 3ds range is doing well but at least that has new in the title and the new wii would have been better than WiiU in my view.

Myrddin

OwaynOTT wrote: »

but at least that has new in the title and the new wii would have been better than WiiU in my view.

Agreed, though I do think they should have broke away from the Wii name altogether (hindsight being great etc). The Wii was associated with motion controls, the Wii U broke away from those. I think Ninty gambled on gaining immediate traction with the Wii name but it backfired on them, badly. The NX needs to breakaway from any current naming scheme, in fact, the Nintendo NX has the perfect ring to it, they should just leave it at that!

OwaynOTT

Myrddin wrote: »

Agreed, though I do think they should have broke away from the Wii name altogether (hindsight being great etc). The Wii was associated with motion controls, the Wii U broke away from those. I think Ninty gambled on gaining immediate traction with the Wii name but it backfired on them, badly. The NX needs to breakaway from any current naming scheme, in fact, the Nintendo NX has the perfect ring to it, they should just leave it at that!

I concur on the move away from Wii. Motion controls ruined that console for me after a while. They were a great novelty but I love a proper controller - like the GameCube - and no fiddly do with motion control.

In fact, I was an ignorant mass member for a while with the WiiU and didn't want it due to motion control association of the Wii brand. Eventually I coped it actually was moving away from it and I came onboard after almost a year.
I've bought every other Nintendo console as soon as I could but not the WiiU.

The NX is actually a decent name - it has an extreme edgy vibe to it and I hear it has blast processing.

CiDeRmAn

The DS Lite is simply a masterclass in design.
Playing New Super Mario Bros on it for the first time, it was like the moment in Wizard of Oz when everything goes colour.

CiDeRmAn

OwaynOTT wrote: »

I concur on the move away from Wii. Motion controls ruined that console for me after a while. They were a great novelty but I love a proper controller - like the GameCube - and no fiddly do with motion control.

In fact, I was an ignorant mass member for a while with the WiiU and didn't want it due to motion control association of the Wii brand. Eventually I coped it actually was moving away from it and I came onboard after almost a year.
I've bought every other Nintendo console as soon as I could but not the WiiU.

The NX is actually a decent name - it has an extreme edgy vibe to it and I hear it has blast processing.

But Sega always had what Nintendon't!

Star Lord

I reckon the NX stands for:

Nintendo XTREME!!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait for the XTREME!!!!!!!!!! Ironing* game! It'll be like any extreme sports game, but once you get into the most precarious scenario, you've to iron your shirt for the next day!

*Ironing peripheral sold seperately

OwaynOTT

Star Lord wrote: »

I reckon the NX stands for:

Nintendo XTREME!!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait for the XTREME!!!!!!!!!! Ironing* game! It'll be like any extreme sports game, but once you get into the most precarious scenario, you've to iron your shirt for the next day!

*Ironing peripheral sold seperately

I just hope third party developers utilise the innovative iron controller into their own games.
And hopefully Nintendo don't drop support for it either. Hopefully they give use games that takes advantage of two iron wielding players.

The_B_Man

I'd wait a while until they come out with the Wii Iron+ with motion+ technology to allow you to iron in more accurate straight lines.

Iseedeadpixels

Why would anyone want to play a Woman simulator :pac:

CiDeRmAn

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Why would anyone want to play a Woman simulator :pac:

We don't appreciate sexist humour here, period

Banjo

I guess I would play a woman simulator, but the Wiimote definitely looks like it's more geared towards man simulation. Especially when you put the gel cases on. Speaking of which, what ever happened to WiiPii? It's 7 years overdue!

McLoughlin

Personally I think given Pokemon 20th anniversary and the Nintendo NX could work well together, handheld and at home console packed with a online Pokemon game that works on both devices and you can battle on to go over wifi or with friends plus some kinda pokemon amiibo card series

CiDeRmAn

Elder Scrolls: Pokémon Edition, exclusive to NX.
Prep Nintendo bank accounts, vast sums of money incoming.

Allyall

http://en.yibada.com/articles/85860/20151117/nintendo-nx-on-release-update-will-sell-at-299-with-zelda-mario-final-fantasy-7-as-launch-titles.htm

Nintendo NX On Release Update Will Sell At $299 With Zelda, Mario & Final Fantasy 7 As Launch Titles

Rumored for a likely release date in the second half of 2016, the hybrid gaming machine Nintendo NX will sell at a solid price tag, around $300, and supported by popular game titles such as The Legend of Zelda, Mario and a remake of the Final Fantasy 7. These are the key elements that will ensure the NX is a hit device, a new report said.......

http://www.vg247.com/2015/11/17/nintendo-nx-doomed-before-it-launches-without-third-party-support/

Nintendo NX “doomed before it launches” without third-party support

New console from Mario-maker musn’t use special controller like Wii or Wii U, says analyst.
Nintendo’s next home console, codenamed NX, must have robust third-party support if it hopes to challenge the PS4 and Xbox One.
That’s according to Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter, who said that Nintendo needs the support of games from publishers like EA and Ubisoft.
“If Nintendo gets the same level of support for NX that it got for the Wii U, it’s doomed before it launches,” said Pachter, speaking to Siftd [behind paywall] as noted by Nintendo Insider.

MilesMorales1

.... When they say remake, do they mean, like the remake for PS4 announced at E3? Or remake like, the port of the steam version coming out for PS4 in a few months?

I mean lets see, Zelda, could be a port of the Wii U version, Mario is very vague since it could be something meh like a mario sports game or whatever, then final fantasy is the somewhat sceptical one.


edit - Pachter talks ****e. I mean the point is there, but come on.

Allyall

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

edit - Pachter talks ****e. I mean the point is there, but come on.

I had originally written "Ugh" above that article.

If the PS5 sells as poor as the Dreamcast, Sony won't be doing well... :pac:

I also have a massive dislike for all the people that say Nintendo should copy Sony and Microsoft...
WHY? So there are three identical consoles? (Albeit one with Nintendos catalogue).

sligeach

I don't know if people listen to IGN Nintendo Voice Chat but it's very good. Following on from the discussion about Xenoblade Chronicles X censorship, I went back and listened to this episode again which was aired a little over a week ago. They talked about communication, the account system, Miitomo, Swapnote, censorship, voice chat, Miiverse and a whole range of issues. It seems every other week and they so in the episode that they're continually talking about these issues facing Nintendo. I think it's very interesting, the segment I'm talking about runs from about 37:20 to 59:20. They say it better than I can and I agree with them.

Nintendo Voice Chat: The Importance of Communication

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN0BGrY5GY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN0BGrY5GY

CiDeRmAn

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

.... When they say remake, do they mean, like the remake for PS4 announced at E3? Or remake like, the port of the steam version coming out for PS4 in a few months?

I mean lets see, Zelda, could be a port of the Wii U version, Mario is very vague since it could be something meh like a mario sports game or whatever, then final fantasy is the somewhat sceptical one.


edit - Pachter talks ****e. I mean the point is there, but come on.

Anal-cysts like him just make money by pointing out the bleeding obvious.
The crows in the trees know that if Nintendo fail to attract third parties then it's game over.
They really should be more specific though, seeing as the WiiU had Ubisoft and Activision both releasing their premium titles on the WiiU, from Rayman & Assassins Creed to Call of Duty Ghosts and Black Ops2. Didn't make people run out and buy it though.
If anything, the limits of the console meant people saw little reason to switch from a similarly powered PS3/360 and instead they upgraded to the XB1 and PS4.

Nollog

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

They really should be more specific

Nintendo needs to pay third parties money to make their console "successful".

-That's the only way they will put forth any semblance of an effort for the new console.

CiDeRmAn

/\/ollog wrote: »

Nintendo needs to pay third parties money to make their console "successful".

-That's the only way they will put forth any semblance of an effort for the new console.

The GC and Wii had loads of "effort" on the respective consoles, with the companies taking the time to develop editions of their big releases for the Wii, likes of COD had some cracking editions on it.

Only the WiiU had little or no support from the larger developers/publishers, and even then it was only really EA that pulled support, after releasing a decent FIFA and a very good NfS title on the system.

The 3DS continues to be well supported by every publisher interested in making money.

If Nintendo produce a product that is as powerful as the games playing community think they want, at a price point that is attractive, the likes of EA, Activision and Ubisoft will bring their games to it, and then wait and see.

Assuming Nintendo make it easy to port to from the current get PS4 and XB1, the console will be cheap to make games for, and we'll see a decent library develop.

The bulk of people to end up owning the PS4 or XB1 have yet to buy one, have yet to select, if the NX can make it out for Christmas 2016, then it stands an excellent chance of grabbing a significant proportion of the hitherto undecided, we shall wait and see.