Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

CiDeRmAn

Chain Smoker wrote: »

If they don't have enough for E3 I'd rather not see them there than debuting the Wii U one year with nothing to show for it, then a year of nothing only to follow up with Nintendoland and **** all else.

No E3 is better than a ****e an E3.

Less than a year out from the NX launch, if Nintendo don't have, right now, something playable from most of the dev teams set to make content for the new computer, they are f**ked.
If they do, they are fools not to present it.
The E3 gets the kind of western mainstream coverage that the TGS and CEX do not, and seeing as consoles sell better internationally than domestically, for Japanese produced consoles at least, they need to be courting the western markets.
Otherwise they are sleepwalking into the WiiU, GC, N64 situation all over again. Why settle for third place in the market when you can be first?
The 3DS, DS and GB series of handhelds shows that they can make a product that is consistently appealing, why can't they seem to get their sh1t together for the home machine.
We've said it before, it's no problem to sell new Nintendo hardware to a Ninty fanboi like me, it's the kid in the school yard or the person coming home from work who wants a few hours in some medieval adventure that you want to appeal to.

Myrddin

^^ Exactly how I see it Cidey. Are you a stage 2 terminal too?

Chain Smoker

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Less than a year out from the NX launch, if Nintendo don't have, right now, something playable from most of the dev teams set to make content for the new computer, they are f**ked.

Honestly, I kind of think they are ****ed. The can't compete with the power of Sony/Microsoft and the rate at which innovation (and the huge amounts of investment involved to make major forward steps like Magic Leap or whoever are striving for) is advancing... I don't know where they turn to. It seems a bit of a fool's errand to be sticking to the hardware game so rigidly at this point. Nintendo could've adapted to absolutely dominate mobile gaming with smartphones, and their developing team could've went wild with innovations, but it's so completely against the system they've had in place from even before they went into gaming that it just wasn't going to happen.



If they're releasing a new machine in Q1 any year, they've bigger problems than not being at E3 too. Who buys anything at that time of the year?!
E3 just isn't anywhere near as important as it was in the past too, wasting sizeable resources on ensuring **** is ready for E3 (as opposed to ready for release) does not have anywhere near the same return as in the magazine buying era. I don't really get why any major company bothers with it nowadays when they've instant access to all media outlets and E3 contains the risk of being completely usurped by something nowhere near as big but very geared towards that audience (e.g. FF7 remake).

...and if Nintendo have something extremely innovative up their sleeves, it's entirely possible that it's the kind of thing that'll just look a bit ****e at E3. Like, the Wii didn't exactly seem special in early previews but once you saw regular people using Wii Sports or whatever, it was pretty easy to see that it'd be huge.

MilesMorales1

I'm super curious as to what happened with Nintendo. Clearly they were planning to show NX this year (E3), possibly even release it, but something must have gone wrong and screwed up their plans. Hence this year being so goddamn barren.

Star Lord

Tbh, I think releasing a deluge of information in a direct a month or so after E3, and they've got everyone's attention in a period that's historically a little quieter, given the amount of announcements and/or reveals that occur at E3. They are at the risk of being overshadowed by the reveals of the upgraded PS4 or XBOX One, so distancing themselves a little from that makes sense too, with the hype having had time to die down a little.

Zelda is pretty much the only thing in looking forward to seeing at E3, but I'm sure there'll be previously unannounced games that look good too. Giving people 90 minutes hands on with Zelda seems like a LOT of time, really looking forward to hearing the opinions of it!

CiDeRmAn

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I'm super curious as to what happened with Nintendo. Clearly they were planning to show NX this year (E3), possibly even release it, but something must have gone wrong and screwed up their plans. Hence this year being so goddamn barren.

They've received messages from the future, via the NX headset.
It's the end of the world.....

sligeach

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I'm super curious as to what happened with Nintendo. Clearly they were planning to show NX this year (E3), possibly even release it, but something must have gone wrong and screwed up their plans. Hence this year being so goddamn barren.

Ya they definitely planned for a launch this Christmas but there's a lot of component parts from various companies that go into making a console and I believe at least one of them hit major roadblocks which caused the delay.


There's every chance also that Zelda U is or was done but has been put on ice because of NX. Whether they use that extra time for Wii U refinements, we'll never know but I'd hope so.

Nollog

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Whatever about Nintendo, one company I couldn't give a fig about is Microsoft and their Xbox One.
Such an irrelevant console, for precisely the reasons why the Nintendo is relevant.
There's nothing for me on the Xbox One that I can't get elsewhere, and at a higher frame rate.

Had Nintendo released a console on par with x1, they'd be dominating.

MilesMorales1;99858865

Clearly they were planning to show NX this year (E3), possibly even release it, but something must have gone wrong and screwed up their plans. Hence this year being so goddamn barren.

I disagree. Nintendo said they'd start to talk about the NX this year is all. I think it's all gone to plan, maybe even releasing earlier than expected.

CiDeRmAn

I think, for too many deluded fools, the Nintendo brand on a home console is poison.
And I hate that idea.
But there were those who bought N64s and GameCubes not to mention Wii's who never bought a first party developed Nintendo game, aside from the pack in.
They bought it and played EA, Activision and Ubi games, and nothing else.
They owned a Nintendo console but stayed steadfast in their belief that Nintendo made kids games.
So, what is an NX to do?
It has to be released as a console that can play the games that those mad folk happy, with forced gimmicks at a minimum.
So, a machine as powerful as the upcoming new wave with the ability to play hose games with as few compromises as possible.
Compromises are the reason the XB1 are selling at half the rate of the PS4, it's why that brand is fast becoming poison as well.
An NX that can do CoD Infinity War 2 or whatever it will be better than everything else, that will sell buckets.
An NX with a Pokemon RPG on a scale of the new LoZ game would sell to every Nintendo fan, but Nintendo have to sell to more people than just that.

sligeach

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

An NX with a Pokemon RPG on a scale of the new LoZ game would sell to every Nintendo fan, but Nintendo have to sell to more people than just that.

Minus one Nintendo fan.

CiDeRmAn

sligeach wrote: »

Minus one Nintendo fan.

That's what you say now.
I'm not a Pokémon player at all, but I think I'd buy that game, an evolution from handheld Pokemon to console, in the manner of Zelda translating from Link between Worlds to Ocarina of Time, I wouldn't miss it.
But there's a lot of people who wouldn't give a feck about such a game.
But stick Overwatch 2 on it and make it look better than the competition, you might just have a hit console on your hands.

MilesMorales1

I doubt pokemon will ever go home console. Not a main series one anyway, doesn't fit the style of the game.

Andrew76

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

But stick Overwatch 2 on it and make it look better than the competition, you might just have a hit console on your hands.

Overwatch is going to be massive for years to come I reckon, seriously good fun it is. So yeah, if they could get something like it or another popular title it would help. The only issue with a cross platform title like that is if folks buy a game based on what consoles their friends have. That could hamper NX/game sales.

Corholio

Interesting rumour/speculation from Digitimes:

"Nintendo has delayed mass production of the NX console in order to consider virtual reality functions and improve the system’s console and handheld integrated experience.

The source is close to the production chain for the console and says the console is the long-rumored hybrid that combines handheld and home console gaming. Rumors say it has a 5 to 7-inch display with a controller and joystick for portable play.

Additionally, the console was supposed to enter mass production in the middle of 2016, but because of these changes, the new mass production schedule means key components will still be made, but mass production won’t begin until 2017"

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160530PD201.html

OwaynOTT

What's up with this virtual insanity

MilesMorales1

Virtual reality isn't going to take off for a while, the tech/price isn't there yet. If thats true, it would be a very curious decision.

Andrew76

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Virtual reality isn't going to take off for a while, the tech/price isn't there yet. If thats true, it would be a very curious decision.

Exactly. I'd be shocked if Nintendo released a console powerful enough to handle proper VR, unless they want us to sellotape a controller to our faces or something.

I know anything written about what the NX is going to be like is just speculation at the minute, but the wording in that article is confusing as hell - "Nintendo wished to enhance the game console's video-game/handheld-game-integrated gaming experience". That's a lot of 'game' right there. :rolleyes:

I hope to god Nintendo have a clear vision of what this thing is going to do and just as importantly that they market it properly this time.

Allyall

I'm getting confused with all of the rumours etc..
I thought there were already rumours that the controller could triple as a handheld and a VR headset??

I remember someone joking, but I thought the joke was how ridiculous it sounded...

If it gets delayed any further, what are they going to do with the Wii U? Release any more games?

Andrew76

Allyall wrote: »

I'm getting confused with all of the rumours etc..

Same here with the confusion.

I think I heard there was Monster Hunter Generations edition of the New 3DSXL being released with the game (not sure if that's in Europe or just Japan) - for a minute I half thought about getting it as an excuse to upgrade my lovely but-not-New Yoshi edition. But buying new Nintendo hardware this year would be madness with this NX thing looming on the horizon - what if it has a handheld component that's better specced again than the New 3DS? A New New 3DS of sorts.

Myrddin

OwaynOTT wrote: »

What's up with this virtual insanity

It's bloody incredible when done correctly. The sense of scale, immersion, and general jawdropping nature of when you don a VR headset, really has to be experienced. It can't be done justice with words. I got a lend of a Rift (DK1) a few years back, & even on that (which had pixelation issues), I knew instantly VR was going to be a game changer.

It'll never replace a tv & joypad, but man o man will it compliment them if wished. That said, we're in the equivilent of the NES era of VR (ie, there's still a long way to go), but even at this stage, it's beyond anything that can be experienced on a standard screen. You do need to ensure you've calibrated the headset to yourself though, so those walk up & try demo's can be off kilter calibration wise. I'd say in ten years, the tech will be cheap, and incredibly good.

That said, Sony have had to bulk up the PS4 to be able to handle the PSVR properly it seems, have Nintendo gone & done the same thing? Could they change the specs this close to production? Unlikely I'd have thought...you need some significant grunt to make VR usable.

CiDeRmAn

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Virtual reality isn't going to take off for a while, the tech/price isn't there yet. If thats true, it would be a very curious decision.

So the whole Oculus/PSVR/Vive thing has passed you by?
If Nintendo somehow can pull it off, producing a console that gives effective and original VR for a competitive price with some original content as only Nintendo can, it could be bigger than Jebus....

Star Lord

I kinda hope it doesn't have VR, as that takes a lot of power, power that could better used in other ways! Plus I don't want it shoehorned into games that it isn't needed for. Plus if it's an afterthought like this rumor suggests, it may not be implemented well at all.

murphyebass

Am I the only one bored with all this VR nonsense?

All I want is a proper console with a proper controller. That's it.

Market the hell out of it and the launch games and see what happens.

The console can't possibly be powerful enough to run proper VR so it'll just end up tacked on.

Come on Nintendo. You can do it.

Myrddin

murphyebass wrote: »

Am I the only one bored with all this VR nonsense?

Not the only one, but it has made an enourmous impact on those who've tried it & it worked for them. It's not going anywhere, & will only become bigger & bigger.

All I want is a proper console with a proper controller. That's it.

Market the hell out of it and the launch games and see what happens.

The console can't possibly be powerful enough to run proper VR so it'll just end up tacked on.

Come on Nintendo. You can do it.

I'm with you there, as far as Nintendo goes, back to basics is what I want to see. A powerful console, supported well, marketed well, & where Nintendo bring their policies & infrastructure into this century. The Gamecube 2 is pretty much what I want

Iseedeadpixels

Myrddin wrote: »

Not the only one, but it has made an enourmous impact on those who've tried it & it worked for them. It's not going anywhere, & will only become bigger & bigger.



I'm with you there, as far as Nintendo goes, back to basics is what I want to see. A powerful console, supported well, marketed well, & where Nintendo bring their policies & infrastructure into this century. The Gamecube 2 is pretty much what I want

Also a Panasonic Gamecube 2......I couldnt afford one back in the day

murphyebass

Myrddin wrote: »

Not the only one, but it has made an enourmous impact on those who've tried it & it worked for them. It's not going anywhere, & will only become bigger & bigger.

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I'll admit I haven't tried it but from footage I've watched of those "playing" it I'm reminded of the Wii's launch.

It'll attract new audiences and sell hardware to beat the band I'm sure but will it last? I don't know.

The idea of gamers as in proper gamers who play games every day of the week I just can't see them being into this.

The comfort of your PC chair or sofa is lost with Wii or VR from what I've seen. Now maybe that will change but I would have thought if anything it'll get more interactive which I think laziness will trump.

Anyway in particular with Nintendos probable lack of power I just see a VR add on in particular this late in the development of the console a very stupid thought.

Just get out there and market the damn thing properly and it'll sell.

/rant

Myrddin

murphyebass wrote: »

I'll admit I haven't tried it but from footage I've watched of those "playing" it I'm reminded of the Wii's launch.

When you do try it, you'll never mention it in the same breath as the Wii again...trust me

I agree, it'll never replace a tv & a joypad...but it doesn't have to. One can easily have both, on the same machine - want to play your PS4 on the tv? Fine, knock yourself out. Fancy some VR? Cool, don your PSVR & away you go. Play your pc games on your tv/monitor while sitting on the couch? Go for it. Fancy some VR? Stick on your rift/vive & enjoy.

The choice will be there

ERG89

Myrddin wrote:

I agree, it'll never replace a tv & a joypad...but it doesn't have to. One can easily have both, on the same machine - want to play your PS4 on the tv? Fine, knock yourself out. Fancy some VR? Cool, don your PSVR & away you go. Play your pc games on your tv/monitor while sitting on the couch? Go for it. Fancy some VR? Stick on your rift/vive & enjoy.

Probably is the headset takes away power from what you play it on. Thus it'll likely be less of an experience for those who go without it.
The headsets are very expensive & for those not convinced like me, I'm going to take a wait & see approach. If it takes off you'll likely have better headsets down the line when you jump in.
Get the feeling the theatre mode is going to be popular for a few years yet. It's nothing that makes use of the true benefits of VR. See nothing that's truly 'oh I gotta play this' so far.

Myrddin

ERG89 wrote: »

Probably is the headset takes away power from what you play it on. Thus it'll likely be less of an experience for those who go without it.

That doesn't make sense...a PS4 isn't going to play games any worse whether or not a VR headset is connected to it. It's kind of the other way around, games look better outside of VR, when compared to a traditional screen. The experience will differ from those playing on VR and those playing on a tv...that's to be expected, they're wildly different experiences. Each has its own distinct advantages though, but I can't see anything being neutered just to make it VR compatible...it's the hardware that makes the difference, not so much the software.

The headsets are very expensive & for those not convinced like me, I'm going to take a wait & see approach. If it takes off you'll likely have better headsets down the line when you jump in.

Same can be said of any tech. VR has taken off, there's huge momentum behind it already...and it's about to hit home consoles this year for the first time. On PC it's even better again, though the cost of entry is damn prohibitive.

Get the feeling the theatre mode is going to be popular for a few years yet. It's nothing that makes use of the true benefits of VR. See nothing that's truly 'oh I gotta play this' so far.

Theatre mode will be cool, though I'm not sure about extended periods. You're right in that there's no real 'killer app' for VR yet, but it'll come, & the tech works. It'll get better & better.

Re Nintendo though, I hope the rumours of NX taking on VR aren't true. As Star Lord said, it'd be a tacked on on experience. I am very curious where they're heading though, which is why I'm disappointed about their decision to abandon NX for E3

Andrew76

Myrddin wrote: »

On PC it's even better again, though the cost of entry is damn prohibitive.

VR is an enthusiast's market right now. The cost is crazy on PC, €700 neighbourhood for the device itself? Not to mention a fairly beefy PC is needed too. Reading the Oculus and Vive threads over in PC Gaming you can see the tech is still in it's infancy.

Similarly with PSVR, you're going to have to buy the PS4.5 (€400?) then another couple of hundred for the PSVR itself and you get the feeling it still won't be as good an experience as the PC offerings. In terms of gaming I only really see VR being worthwhile if you're into sims.

I doubt Nintendo will even try and compete with the above.