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Prime Time 10th March 2015

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Think about that for a moment Strider. They don't really think that it will affect them but they say this anyway:
    our focus now should be on supporting our competition target shooting colleagues, who represented themselves very well in the programme, and now need our support more than ever.
    And on their page they also say:
    I'm 100% with you on standing together and we need to this more than ever on target shooting.
    this has nothing to do with deer stalking and everything to do with our colleagues in target shooting, who we should support them to the last.
    some people want to chew my head off when I've been saying it since last year. We need to support our target shooters!!


    You might think they're wrong about not being directly targeted, and it's an arguable point, but **** that ****. Read what they're saying about supporting people. They're putting their back into it on general principle! What more can anyone ask for, for pete's sakes?

    I'm reading all these comments out there on the net about how people aren't rowing in together and I'm starting to think people are mistaking "being a member of the coalition" with "working to stop our sports being destroyed". The two are not the same thing and if people start thinking that not being a member of the coalition means an opposition to our sports, they need to sort their head out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    Because that's real life like it or not.Public won't really give a dam about that programme they probably forgot most of it by the time the rape case was finished and they will just move on to the next scandal next week.The biggest problem is someone like finian mc grath being on that comitee he is totally biased , the prick knew the facts but still peddles lies.

    This point needs to be flagged to the chair of the committee.

    Brutal show.. I have no respect for anyone on the production team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Sparks wrote: »
    They're putting their back into it on general principle! What more can anyone ask for, for pete's sakes?

    Well if they could stop emphasing that they're helping out 'target shooters' that would be nice. Telling their members that these proposals only affect target shooters is giving them a false sense of security and some of them will sit back and say 'Fcuk it, sure it won't have any bearing on me anyway.'

    That's exactly what the Gardai have wanted all along, make it look like it's all about pistols and semi auto centrefires to divide the community but slip in the little bit about refusals based on firearms numbers/crime stats unnoticed. Then when the target shooters have been shafted they still have their Trojan horse in play for the rest. Now I'm not saying the community is divided, the WDAI have definitely stood up..but could they have done more if their members thought their firearms were in as much danger as those of target shooters? They'll definitely have lost a good few submissions because people thought it had nothing to do with them.

    I've seen it myself...hunters asking me how the proposals are going, like they live on another world and it has no bearing on them then saying 'Sure they're only after your pistols'...Yeah, but your side by side will be on the scrap heap on top of my pistol if the Gardai have their way.

    As I said you can see an element of 'Well we could cut ties and let you sail off down the river at any moment' creeping in a bit. They're not putting their back out for target shooters, they're putting their back out for everyone including themselves only they can't see it.

    I really have no problem with how the WDAI have approached the proposals, I think their approach was better than some of the more shouty efforts which have become the signature of other organisations but they really need to acknowledge that these proposals affect everyone and that they're not just doing the target shooting community a favour by protesting against them. Their heads will be on the block should these go through.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭hathcock


    Having watched the show last night it seems to me that the wrong man was chosen to represent shooters,he might be good in court but on tv he was less than useless,he allowed the interviewer and the other protagonist to set the agenda.We never had a good press,and this has definitely put us further on the back foot.The answer imo to the percieved gun problem is to provide an adequate deterrent to armed crime,a mandatory 20 years would be a good start,the general public need to be educated to the difference between legally held guns and those illegally held,hard sentencing would send the right message both to the criminals and the general public.The gun lobby ought to be making this proposal to the powers that be,and a campaign in the media publicising that fact,thereby demonstrating to joe public that we are nothing to do with criminality.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,542 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I'm a gun skeptic (only tried it in Vegas, not going to hijack this thread further), haven't posted here before and don't particularly follow the forum, but based on last night, I wish you guys well.

    Another example of what's wrong with independent TDs. Pure hysteria and windbaggery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    I'm a gun skeptic (only tried it in Vegas, not going to hijack this thread further), haven't posted here before and don't particularly follow the forum, but based on last night, I wish you guys well.

    Another example of what's wrong with independent TDs. Pure hysteria and windbaggery.

    Hello and welcome, I gather you're neither hot nor cold on guns, maybe slightly adverse even. Well fair play to you for seeing through the smokescreen that the likes of deputy McGrath are trying to lay down over the wider issue.

    When you say Vegas and guns I'm thinking an overpriced rattle out of an AK, an M16, maybe a Minimi and a clutter of no longer available (to the law abiding) in Ireland handguns.

    To recap the lot again;

    - Ireland already has very restrictive firearms legislation, "Vegas" guns are not a feature of the Irish licenced firearms scene

    - the Gardai's own figures show that problems with formerly licenced stolen guns hardly amount to a drop in the ocean

    - current legislation already gives senior Gardai sufficient powers to counter any foreseeable public safety issue, more decission power would reduce the process to individual whim and opinion rather than the application of law


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Strider wrote: »
    Well if they could stop emphasing that they're helping out 'target shooters' that would be nice.
    Yeah, I can skip nice so long as necessity is being met.
    could they have done more if their members thought their firearms were in as much danger as those of target shooters?
    So (a) you could say precisely the same thing about the NARGC and it would make as much sense; and (b) what specifically do you think that they could have done but haven't?
    they're not just doing the target shooting community a favour by protesting against them.
    But they're not. They're saying all the right things and doing all the right things, even if they only think it's on general principle.

    Seriously, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you have to have a good reason to assume that it wouldn't go well with hoi sin sauce and some pancakes...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Sparks wrote: »
    So (a) you could say precisely the same thing about the NARGC and it would make as much sense; and (b) what specifically do you think that they could have done but haven't?


    But they're not. They're saying all the right things and doing all the right things, even if they only think it's on general principle.

    Seriously, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you have to have a good reason to assume that it wouldn't go well with hoi sin sauce and some pancakes...

    They could have stopped emphasising 'target shooters' as I've said; 'support our target shooters', 'target shooters need our help' etc. No, firearms owners need your help, full stop.

    They are making it out as a favour to target shooters, they're implying that they really have no horse in the race but that they're offering support anyway. They shouldn't be doing it on general principle, they should be doing it because they have a clear understanding that their firearms are under threat. The fact that they haven't acknowledged that they are in a much danger as anyone else, shows that they haven't got a full understanding of what they're actually protesting against...imo anyway.

    I mean...what do they think the Gardai will do with the section on refusals based on crime stats and firearm numbers...either they haven't actually read that bit or else they have read it and think the Gardai are actually decent skins and won't bring that massive refusal cannon to bear on their position. If it's the latter, then I despair for them.

    I'm not saying they haven't given the proposals a good kick and I'm not accusing them of being armchair protestors, I salute them for all they've done. But as you said yourself before the Justice Committee..language shapes thought and the constant inclusion 'target shooters' as the people who need support will have some people thinking they're in the clear when they're only a step behind the target shooters on the way to the chopping block. As you said, the NARGC probably have similar problems but the WDAI are the one's I'm talking about atm.

    I'm no fan of the NARGC's approach or the group in general really as my past posts demonstrate, I'm not witch hunting the WDAI, their statement just happened to be on the other page and I thought I would comment on it.

    We're all standing in the sh1t heap together but if we could all be on the same page about how bad the sh1t smells that would be great. It's a petty enough thing to pick on, I know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,086 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    dear Sir/Madam,

    I wish to make a complaint about Prime Time on Tuesday March 10th. The programme was poorly researched, lacked any investigative reporting and was delivered in an absolute biased manner by the reporter and studio chair.

    The programme was titled "Guns In Ireland" never reported on the fact Ireland has the strictest gun ownership laws in the EU. No mention was made of this at all and what the prerequisites are to own a firearm in Ireland. Your reporter then proceed to lap up Garda propaganda with a knowing look on his face when presented with an accessorised semi auto sporting rifle. If he was a competent reporter he should have asked CS Healey are these common rifles in Ireland ?And why exactly is it Garda custody if it was legally licensed???But that would be seemingly above investigative reporting in Ireland and Prime Time to ask a simple but awkward question perhaps??

    You then callously used Mrs Campbell whose sun was murdered with an illegal firearm for her opinions on gun ownership…Do you make a habit of interviewing parents of children killed by drunken drivers or speeding for their views on Formula 1 racing??Or parents of people who drown themselves on why people participate in swimming competitions? This was an utterly deplorable and callous ploy to link ligit gun ownership to criminal misuse of firearms.

    The range interview was a farce that you chopped Mr Crofton and Mr Tope down to virtual sound bytes and asked nothing of WHY this legislation is proposed? But peppered the footage with scary shots of big handguns instead.
    Many scary pictures then followed of a camera panning slowly and on under light AIRSOFT replicas. These are not firearms in this country and never have been classed as such, so again you were obviously trying to imply that these were commonly available firearms in Ireland. We had your reporter then trying to shoot a shotgun[badly] and saying how much he was awed by the lightness and the kick of shooting a little red clay disc.Well DUH! That’s why we shoot clays or targets or whatever and go home and go to work and come back next weekend and do it all again,without turning into psychopathic killers ready to go off on a shooting spree as implied by Finian Mc Grath TD[more on him later.]

    Deer hunting.
    This had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the proposed legislation and even your reporter was at pains to point it out…So why was this included??it was as irrelevant to the proposed legislation as asking a chicken on its opinions of the results of the 1972 Olympic shot put results!

    More footage of Hungerford, Dunblane and Andreas Brevick followed, with the implications that this could happen any moment in Ireland if such guns are readily available. Surprised you didn’t bother with Sandy Hook, Columbine and any other American shooting…Well surprise, we as the shooting community didn’t expect anything less of you to do so and you obliged us. Yet again more shoddy research as the UK gun crime figures are steadily rising post those two tragedies. To about 300% pre Hungerford 25 years ago.

    The studio “debate”
    Another Prime Time shout your opponent down fest with Miriam O Callaghan in her usual slipshod researched questions ,well in this case it sounded like she had brushed upon the American anti-gun “Handgun control INC booklet for studio presenters”. As her first statement was “if it saves just ONE life”… is a classic and by now very old debunked chestnut. But it set the tone for a complete biased talked over in favour of Mc Grath cut off no chance to finish a point ,or even make it half way by William Egan before O Callaghan interrupted or was ranted over by Mc Grath spewing lies, untruths and utter sensationalism. Crowning statement was the “You will bamboozle the public with figures.!” And then let Mc Grath quote them ad lib and utterly wrong and proven to be wrong ones at that.
    Does Miss O Callaghan think the Irish public are utterly thick as not to be able to understand figures??That sort of patronising and condescending attitude has hall marked Primetime over the years and has got it into trouble enough times too along with its shoddy research, biased reporting and interviews.

    However I’m not surprised as I remember well Primetimes other hatchet job on shooting sports in 2008 with a stuttering Dr Tom Clonan with” rifles that can shoot over 3 miles “and the same programme format .So much that I predicted weeks ago to my fellow Irish gun owners that Primetime would deliver another hatchet job of shoddy reporting, superficial research, and sensationalism without any in depth back ground investigation into the who ,what when why, where. Followed by two talking heads with a loaded presenter.

    In fact you didn’t ask the ONE pertinent question.. WHY do the Guards want the law changed??If you had bothered to research more in depth the answer would have shocked you utterly and you would have found, the most controversial disputed legislation that surpasses the abortion law in our courts and gross mismanagement of public monies by an Garda Siochanna as well as collusion and criminal acts by Garda chief superintendents and personnel in our courts. Including perjury, tampering with official documents, gross incompetence and in some cases human rights abuses and indifference by GSOC to investigate these cases! But that would probably have bamboozled the Irish public even more.

    Please don’t try to fob me off with time of production and limited amount of info that can be put into a 20 min programme slot .I have worked with TV news crews[including briefly, Primetime back in the early 00s] have featured in a documentary filmed and screened on RTE in 2010 that involved a brief amount of firearms usage. So I know well what will and won’t go into a programme and how it can be warped ,twisted and taken and put out of context. Primetime excelled yet again in all the above categories.

    And you want OUR tax Euros for this in your annual legal extortion known as a TV license??

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭cavan shooter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭richiedel123


    I have to side with strider here. The w.d.a.i sent out an e mail yesterday saying there is a reference to Deer shooting in the report and they had nothing got to do with it. That they were asked and declined and they rang prime time to make sure to point out that Deer shooting wasn't affected in this report.
    It was 1 of the first things mentioned in the show. They also criticised Nargc for filming it. They never said anything about we all need to stand together.
    To me the way I read it was it was more of a dig at Nargc
    To be honest I won't be renewing my membership to these association because I'm not happy with their behaviour in all of this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭richiedel123


    I have to side with strider here. The w.d.a.i sent out an e mail yesterday saying there is a reference to Deer shooting in the report and they had nothing got to do with it. That they were asked and declined and they rang prime time to make sure to point out that Deer shooting wasn't affected in this report.
    It was 1 of the first things mentioned in the show. They also criticised Nargc for filming it. They never said anything about we all need to stand together.
    To me the way I read it was it was more of a dig at Nargc
    To be honest I won't be renewing my membership to these association because I'm not happy with their behaviour in all of this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    So because they thought it was a mistake to get involved in Prime Time, they're bad?

    Dude, I thought it was a mistake, that's why I refused to be interviewed. Grizzly knew it was a mistake. The NTSA knew it was a mistake. The WDAI knew it was a mistake. Because we all remembered this:



    Don't get me wrong, I can see why it was done - had it worked, it would have been worth the risk.


    But saying "oh, group X is behaving badly" when they've just been proven to be correct, that's crap.
    If the Coalition had done what the WDAI had done, we wouldn't have just been painted so badly in the media. And the WDAI's not acting against anyone, it's doing exactly what everyone's been calling for all this time.

    So what exactly is the real issue here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    This argument is a distraction. Secure your sport's future first. You'll have plenty of time to discuss who said what and why afterwards.

    Why someone's putting their shoulder to the wheel is irrelevant right now. Better late than never.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,639 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Jesus, that prime time clip brought it all back. I still cringe when i see it. Some of the statements that were made. Don't they realise that what they say is frightening to the general public that don't understand firearms. Back to the old adage of think before you talk.

    Everyone i know in most organisations would have the cop on not to entertain Prime Time. With last night's debacle, the one above, and the great press we usually receive did they think these people suddenly grew a conscious and wanted to do a fair and impartial piece. Perhaps now we'll realise that sometimes saying nothing, while annoying, is the best option.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭useurowname


    hathcock wrote: »
    Having watched the show last night it seems to me that the wrong man was chosen to represent shooters,he might be good in court but on tv he was less than useless,he allowed the interviewer and the other protagonist to set the agenda.We never had a good press,and this has definitely put us further on the back foot.

    Just watched the piece back on the RTE Player and I'd have to agree with this. Willie just wasn't at the races, when it when it was put to him that the banning of handguns in the UK has reduced gun the threat of gun rampages he countered by pointing out the most recent rampage was perpetrated with a .22 rifle.. that's grand so Willie we'll just have to ban them as well then. Reminded me a bit of Lionel Hutz from The Simpsons, kinda half expecting him to produce a pair of shoes he was mending for Miriam from under the desk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,086 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Cass wrote: »
    Jesus, that prime time clip brought it all back. . Perhaps now we'll realise that sometimes saying nothing, while annoying, is the best option.

    And if you do want to play with the media nuke reactor ,you had better have a Max Clifford [when he isnt in jail that is] type beside you for the PR and who knows the ins and outs of the media. Somone who lays down the rules of engagement from the word Go and has a say in the whole operation.There is a very good reason PR gurus are employed and make thousands per hour.

    Cheaper option...Shut the frup up and do not engage with media whores as it will only end in tears .:(

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Forwarded a complaint to RTE, the Broadcasting Authority, and directly to Mr Noel Curran, Director General, RTE


  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭pbthevet


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Looked like something you'd see on a SWAT team member. Do you know why someone would want one of them? Target practice?? It looked fairly bad ass sitting their on the table. Overkill. Do you fellas/girls own converted guns like that?

    Doesnt matter what it looks like. All guns fire bullets, they just a tool

    Same way people upgrade their cars with spoilers, alloys and bumpers etc.

    Nothing wrong with it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Finian McGrath is one of my constituency TD's in the new Dublin Bay North. I can't wait for him to come knocking on my door looking for my vote. I'll tell him that not only will he not be getting my vote but that I have contacted a large number of licensed firearm owners in the constituency and urged them not to vote for him either.

    Anyone else in this constituency should contact any firearms owners they know and urge them to have a suitable response ready for Mr McGrath when he comes a knocking. Keep it simple, something like:

    I am shooting sport enthusiast, you have attacked my sport and assaulted my good character with your stance on firearm ownership. You won't be getting a vote from me or my family or anyone in my shooting association.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭SVI40


    Finian McGrath is one of my constituency TD's in the new Dublin Bay North. I can't wait for him to come knocking on my door looking for my vote. I'll tell him that not only will he not be getting my vote but that I have contacted a large number of licensed firearm owners in the constituency and urged them not to vote for him either.

    Anyone else in this constituency should contact any firearms owners they know and urge them to have a suitable response ready for Mr McGrath when he comes a knocking. Keep it simple, something like:

    I am shooting sport enthusiast, you have attacked my sport and assaulted my good character with your stance on firearm ownership. You won't be getting a vote from me or my family or anyone in my shooting association.

    And don't forget to end it with "#Get it!" :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Madd Finn


    pbthevet wrote: »
    So now the public ....

    Think we are becoming like america!

    That all guns are just left lying around in sheds

    That people are being murdered with legal guns

    And that its "easy to access" legal firearms.

    And that theres no issue at all a tall with illegal guns! And that crinimals find it easier to steal farmers guns than just order in a few sub machine guns with next pallet of drugs


    Bloody raging after that!

    Calm down lads. Speaking as a non gun owner who generally favours the current gun regime in Ireland I thought the anti-gun case made in this program came across as silly, histrionic and unnecessary.

    I don't think people should be allowed to bring a loaded firearm into a burger bar. But then I don't think most Irish gun owners want that.

    I don't think you should be allowed keep military style rapid fire assault weapons in a private home. But then I don't think most Irish gun owners want that.

    I think gun owners should be held responsible for ensuring their guns are locked safely away when not in use, as I suspect most gun owners in this country do.

    The notion that deer hunters or sporting pistol shooters are somehow responsible for the death of an unfortunate young man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time when one gangster decided to take out another is farcical.

    I think our gun laws are strict enough and that making them unnecessarily stricter might be counter productive. It ain't broke; don't try and fix it.

    Tuppence worth.

    PS Finian McGrath is a twat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    SVI40 wrote: »
    And don't forget to end it with "#Get it!" :D

    *hehe*

    How about a #GetIt tag on twitter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Finian McGrath is one of my constituency TD's in the new Dublin Bay North. I can't wait for him to come knocking on my door looking for my vote. I'll tell him that not only will he not be getting my vote but that I have contacted a large number of licensed firearm owners in the constituency and urged them not to vote for him either.

    Anyone else in this constituency should contact any firearms owners they know and urge them to have a suitable response ready for Mr McGrath when he comes a knocking. Keep it simple, something like:
    .

    I wouldn't wait for him to come knocking. I'd be going to tell him my views right now. Politely of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I wouldn't wait for him to come knocking. I'd be going to tell him my views right now. Politely of course.


    Does he deserve a polite response? I know I would be careful what I said but I would not be polite. At this stage it's too late in the day.. He is a grandstanding dinosaur and he needs to be gone gone gone from politics..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,086 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    For those of you who are "Game of Thrones" followers the House of Stark family motto is "Winter is comeing".
    A breif explanation for those not aufe with this seris The Stark family live in the North of this fictious island which is a semi artic region and where Winter can last seven years,as can the Summers but it also has a double meaning in the fact that it means there is also inevetiblely like the seasons there is always trouble and hardship on the way. So maybe instead of using Finians "Get it" we might remind him of "Winter[Elections] is comeing."?:D

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I'd rather he stopped using "Get it" than I have to stop using "Winter is coming" to be honest :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    That modified weapon that was legally licensed and was similar to a weapon linked to the Norwegian massacre was the most damming piece of footage than any argument either spokesperson put up, that's what will sway public opinion!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I'd really love to know the background on that thing myself...

    Actually, guys, there aren't that many centerfire semiautos in the country, even fewer that have had their certs revoked and been confiscated, someone has to know what the backstory is here?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭hexosan


    Sparks wrote: »
    I'd really love to know the background on that thing myself...

    Actually, guys, there aren't that many centerfire semiautos in the country, even fewer that have had their certs revoked and been confiscated, someone has to know what the backstory is here?


    Was it not just a ruger 10/22 with some bling attached.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭patsat


    hexosan wrote: »
    Was it not just a ruger 10/22 with some bling attached.

    I looked out for that when watching it and I'm sure it wasn't a 10/22

    Looking at the magazines aswel they didn't seem modified to take .22lr so that rules out an Ar-15 clone in .22lr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    I thought, just in the few moments it was on screen, that the major problem was the capacity of the two magazines. No law against a flash-light etc. (apart from the "I don't like the look of that" argument)
    I think the CS stated that each magazine was 30 round capacity, but than this is from a guy who is happy to portray an Airsoft pistol, legally available in many shopping centres, as a dangerous weapon to a gormless journalist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Didn't see it for long enough to figure out what it was, and I'll be damned if I didn't just assume it was a semiauto centerfire. I went back, grabbed a screenshot or two and upped the lighting because RTE seem to be running out of budget for lamps:

    341748.png

    341747.png

    Anyone recognise it now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 jamo27


    Yeah it's a .223 semi auto, looking at the bolt carrier and the magazine size itself! The only illegal thing about this rifle is the 30 round mags! It's fairly tricked out alright,but different strokes for different blokes..just a scare tactic using the dreaded "black rifle"..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I don't recognise the tan thing on the rail in front of the Acog-alike scope there. Spirit level cant indicator or something?
    (In which case, why would the owner have it in front where they couldn't see it?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭nastros


    Sparks wrote: »
    I don't recognise the tan thing on the rail in front of the Acog-alike scope there. Spirit level cant indicator or something?
    (In which case, why would the owner have it in front where they couldn't see it?)
    That is a flip up rear iron sight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Sparks wrote: »
    I don't recognise the tan thing on the rail in front of the Acog-alike scope there. Spirit level cant indicator or something?
    (In which case, why would the owner have it in front where they couldn't see it?)[/QUOTE]

    Why do fellows with front wheel drive cars, put wider rims & tyres on the back? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sparks wrote: »
    I don't recognise the tan thing on the rail in front of the Acog-alike scope there. Spirit level cant indicator or something?
    (In which case, why would the owner have it in front where they couldn't see it?)

    That is a MBUS flip up sight from magpul I believe your actually looking at an Airsoft
    M4 S system or similar with magpul pistol grip ,clone ACOG and grippod handgrip

    The piece on top of the ACOG is actually a piece of fiber optic for the cross hairs


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7 jamo27


    It's a flip up sight that works with the front sight just above the gas block, it's used by us military incase your scope gets damaged..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Why do fellows with front wheel drive cars, put wider rims & tyres on the back? :rolleyes:
    I'm more wondering if the owner actually set the thing up that way or if there was a degree of "for the camera" going on.
    But I'm in an uncharitable mood at the moment. I could be completely wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Grolschevik


    Gatling wrote: »
    That is a MBUS flip up sight from magpul I believe your actually looking at an Airsoft
    M4 S system or similar with magpul pistol grip ,clone ACOG and grippod handgrip

    The piece on top of the ACOG is actually a piece of fiber optic for the cross hairs

    So you reckon that's *another* airsoft piece?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So you reckon that's *another* airsoft piece?

    Yeah look at the far magazine it's plastic and you can see a horrible seam.

    The crane stock ,the flip us sight,magpulls attached to the magazines all seen on most airsoft AR /M4's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Grizzly? And the others who post on here who own centerfire semiautos? Do any of you recognise that rifle or know the backstory?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭patsat


    jamo27 wrote: »
    Yeah it's a .223 semi auto, looking at the bolt carrier and the magazine size itself! The only illegal thing about this rifle is the 30 round mags! It's fairly tricked out alright,but different strokes for different blokes..just a scare tactic using the dreaded "black rifle"..

    30 round magazines are not illegal for centre fire rifles.

    Only rimfires (10) and shotguns (3) have a restriction on magazine capacity.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was a stunt using an airsoft replica to scare the public.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,639 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Just about to post that myself.

    Once restricted the magazine capacity is irrelevant.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,343 ✭✭✭Heckler


    patsat wrote: »
    30 round magazines are not illegal for centre fire rifles.

    Only rimfires (10) and shotguns (3) have a restriction on magazine capacity.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was a stunt using an airsoft replica to scare the public.

    Oh man, if it was and could be proved........whatever about quick shots of airsoft pistols using an airsoft M4 or whatever it is in that manner would destroy any credibility Healy might have. Surely he wouldn't be that stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Ah, ask and the experts will usually know (though they'll sometimes email instead of posting).
    Apparently it is a real rifle, it was known about, and there was a court case about it and the whole thing (from the newspaper report of it) is enormously confusing - the Gardai wanted to bring a case but the DPP directed that no prosecution be brought or something (the newspaper is *really* unclear here).

    Given that the rifle was still in Garda HQ, I'm assuming that the case is still sub judice until I find out otherwise though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 jamo27


    patsat wrote: »
    30 round magazines are not illegal for centre fire rifles.

    not even semi autos??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    jamo27 wrote: »
    not even semi autos??
    Yup.
    Think of it this way - the large magazine size isn't illegal, it just pushes a firearm into the restricted category. Centerfire semiautos are already in the restricted category, so it doesn't matter.


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