The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

raze_them_all_

pretty sure they sign a waiver before minis that nasically if they get inkured before signing the negotiations continue as if the player isnt injured

poldebruin

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

pretty sure they sign a waiver before minis that nasically if they get inkured before signing the negotiations continue as if the player isnt injured

I'm not 100% sure. All I know is that the NFL doesn't seem to be a particularly sentimental business!

I think they still could have put language that could have protected them more - it does not seem to be unusual, even for top picks.

raze_them_all_

poldebruin wrote: »

I'm not 100% sure. All I know is that the NFL doesn't seem to be a particularly sentimental business!

I think they still could have put language that could have protected them more - it does not seem to be unusual, even for top picks.

nothing to do with sentiment at all. you take the hit for the year and see how he comes back if he cant you cut him. they cut him now ans some team will pick him up and they get nothing for the first round pick

poldebruin

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

nothing to do with sentiment at all. you take the hit for the year and see how he comes back if he cant you cut him. they cut him now ans some team will pick him up and they get nothing for the first round pick

ah but you can't tell me this isn't nice for a guy that blew his ACL in his first practise.

Per a league source, Fowler’s fully-guaranteed $23.5 million contract has no offset language. So if he gets cut at some point in the next four seasons, he gets all of the money, unreduced by any amounts he earns with a new team.

poldebruin

poldebruin wrote: »

I'm not 100% sure. All I know is that the NFL doesn't seem to be a particularly sentimental business!

I think they still could have put language that could have protected them more - it does not seem to be unusual, even for top picks.

theres an honest negotiating clause when a players drafted stating that if he gets injured before the contracts signed the team will negotiate in good faith.

either way where he's drafted decides how much he gets paid the negotiation as far as i know is mostly with regards how much is guaranteed and the difference that can be made even those negotiations are minimal

raze_them_all_

pretty sure all first round picks get all their money as a way to offset the loss pf massive contracts. no more jamarcus russles.

SantryRed

poldebruin wrote: »

ah but you can't tell me this isn't nice for a guy that blew his ACL in his first practise.

Per a league source, Fowler’s fully-guaranteed $23.5 million contract has no offset language. So if he gets cut at some point in the next four seasons, he gets all of the money, unreduced by any amounts he earns with a new team.

That's probably why the Jags are were they are as an organisation.

I'm all for sentiment but that's a serious amount of money to plough into someone who you don't know how they will be come back.

SantryRed

SantryRed wrote: »

That's probably why the Jags are were they are as an organisation.

I'm all for sentiment but that's a serious amount of money to plough into someone who you don't know how they will be come back.

they didnt have a choice

Hazys

SantryRed wrote: »

That's probably why the Jags are were they are as an organisation.

I'm all for sentiment but that's a serious amount of money to plough into someone who you don't know how they will be come back.

TBF it probably a good business decision along with it being the right moral decision too.

The Jags are not under cap pressure and probably won't be for the length of his contract so its not real skin off their nose. The benefits of this is that it boosts their current teams morale and faith in the front office and this nice gesture makes them more attractive to potential FAs.

HigginsJ

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Next years madden cover

eagle eye

HigginsJ wrote: »

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Next years madden cover

I don't find that funny in any way. I'd expect it from a Jets fan not a Giants fan.

Knex*

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't find that funny in any way. I'd expect it from a Jets fan not a Giants fan.

Ohh, snap!

You're a bit precious about all of this, though. Hardly a fair judge in the humour department.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't find that funny in any way. I'd expect it from a Jets fan not a Giants fan.

bit touchy eh

eagle eye

Knex. wrote: »

Ohh, snap!

You're a bit precious about all of this, though. Hardly a fair judge in the humour department.

WHOOSH

HigginsJ

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't find that funny in any way. I'd expect it from a Jets fan not a Giants fan.

Bit of light hearted fun, also I've made my opinions on this matter clear in the main deflate gate thread.

Knex*

eagle eye wrote: »

WHOOSH

The sound of deflating footballs.

See, guilty.

eagle eye

Knex. wrote: »

The sound of deflating footballs.

See, guilty.

WHOOSH

helimachoptor

That's hilarious tbh!

eagle eye

helimachoptor wrote: »

That's hilarious tbh!

Maybe it's funny if you are a gamer or something. Like gamers all use cheats regularly I think.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Maybe it's funny if you are a gamer or something. Like gamers all use cheats regularly I think.

its mildly amusing not hilarious or anything but theres no need to get salty about it

Realt Dearg Sec

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't find that funny in any way. I'd expect it from a Jets fan not a Giants fan.

Yeah, this is a very serious, important tragedy and people shouldn't be making jokes about it. This isn't 9/11 or something, there needs to be boundaries.

eagle eye

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah, this is a very serious, important tragedy and people shouldn't be making jokes about it. This isn't 9/11 or something, there needs to be boundaries.

No, you and the rest just don't seem to get it. I don't find it in the least bit funny. I am well able to laugh at a joke about things that have happened even when the team is one I support. This just doesn't come across as funny in any way to me.

I get the double meaning of cheat but it's just not funny.

JCTO

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't find that funny in any way. I'd expect it from a Jets fan not a Giants fan.

I thought it was funny and I am a Pats fan. Some of the jokes are actually pretty funny. Gots to have a sense of humour in all of this.

raze_them_all_

to be fair pats love a bit of scandel whenever they win a sb, wasn't the spying thing the last sb win too?? and the tuck rule?

adrian522

What do you think of the 3 extra point rule changes being voted on?

They need 3/4 of the owenrs to pass one of them.

1. Ball placed at 15-yard line for 1-point kick; ball placed at 2-yard line for 2-point try (Patriots submission)

2. Ball placed at 15-yard line for 1-point kick; ball placed at 1-yard line for 2-point try; defense can score the points if it returns a turnover the other end zone on the 2-point try (Eagles submission)

3. Same as Eagles submission, but 2-point conversion from the 2-yard line (competition committee submission)

I'd be in favour of option 3 from these, wouldn't upset me greatly if they are rejected though.

adrian522

adrian522 wrote: »

What do you think of the 3 extra point rule changes being voted on?

They need 3/4 of the owenrs to pass one of them.

1. Ball placed at 15-yard line for 1-point kick; ball placed at 2-yard line for 2-point try (Patriots submission)

2. Ball placed at 15-yard line for 1-point kick; ball placed at 1-yard line for 2-point try; defense can score the points if it returns a turnover the other end zone on the 2-point try (Eagles submission)

3. Same as Eagles submission, but 2-point conversion from the 2-yard line (competition committee submission)

I'd be in favour of option 3 from these, wouldn't upset me greatly if they are rejected though.

if the eagles submission goes through (which i dont think it will) tebow is suddenly a special teams superstar.

option 3 is probably the most likely theres really no reason a pick or fumble can't be returned on special teams

Knex*

I'm for it, tbh. Changes the dynamics of the game more than you'd think. The 3 point or 7 point spread will no longer be the norm, that's for sure.

Could be a head scratcher for the bookies to get used to as well. All in all, it adds and extra layer to the game I think.

D9Male

What proportion of 1pt kicks are missed under the existing rules?

And what proportion of 3pt kicks are missed at present from the 15yd line? Best I can do for data is looking at the below link:

http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2011/10/janikowski-factor.html

That suggests the proportion of successful 1pt conversions will drop from c. 99% to c. 92%.

poldebruin

I hate all the options up for vote.

The two i had heard proposed that make most sense to me are:

Abolish the pat, award 7pts for a td or 6pts with option of going for 2 from the 1 yard line.

This has the advantage of close games not been decided by a missed pat, which would be very anticlimactic end to a great game. Team scores last second td to tie the game, only to see thhe add on pat missed from the 15...i don't think the nfl would benefit from that type of antidrama. Also has a safety benefit, would speed the game along a bit too, but would leace the implications of the 2 pt attempt.

The second option would be to keep the pat and 2pt where it is, but narrow the goalposts. The successful pat will drop a little, perhaps enough to make the point not automatic. The added bonus would be increased difgiculty for field goals may lead to coaches being more aggressive going for it in 4th down situations around the opponants 40-35 yard line.

i would imagine the players association would have a **** if there was not at least an option to kick