The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

malistheman

malistheman wrote: »

Jesus, they replaced Shady with DeMarco Murray. He's well off point here.

murray and matthews both black and replaced maclin with agholor and replaced desean with either of josh huff or jordan matthews...... and replaced nick foles with a latin qb. big free agent signing was maxwell. draft was exclusively black players.

really can't understand the logic by either of them

Realt Dearg Sec

It would be pretty naive to think there is no institutionalised racism in the NFL, but a coach would have a very short shelf life if he went around looking to whiten up his team, if for no better reason than the team would simply not succeed. Even the most rabid, overt racist wouldn't be dumb enough to think that he would have a better football team if it weren't for all these black guys around. It's just a tantrum by these guys, and as others have pointed out, the evidence doesn't add up.

phatkev

Fred Davis was reinstated today after being banned for the 2014 season, whats the over/under on how long he lasts before getting into some sort of trouble

HigginsJ

phatkev wrote: »

Fred Davis was reinstated today after being banned for the 2014 season, whats the over/under on how long he lasts before getting into some sort of trouble

Who would waste their time picking him up?

Realt Dearg Sec

HigginsJ wrote: »

Who would waste their time picking him up?

Yeah, I mean he had a great career, but Ronnie O'Sullivan proved he was over the hill back in 1993. Also, he's 17 years dead at this stage.

(I might have read the wrong wikipedia article).

raze_them_all_

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It would be pretty naive to think there is no institutionalised racism in the NFL, but a coach would have a very short shelf life if he went around looking to whiten up his team, if for no better reason than the team would simply not succeed. Even the most rabid, overt racist wouldn't be dumb enough to think that he would have a better football team if it weren't for all these black guys around. It's just a tantrum by these guys, and as others have pointed out, the evidence doesn't add up.

Remind me of a game where drogba scored for chelsea fans and he fans started singing he scores when he wants. To which the opposite fans stted singing back would you let hin on the train??


I think the problem with shadys arguement is that chip doesn't respect his superstars where chip might be thinking nobody is bigger than the team like alex ferguson used to

Realt Dearg Sec

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Remind me of a game where drogba scored for chelsea fans and he fans started singing he scores when he wants. To which the opposite fans stted singing back would you let hin on the train??


I think the problem with shadys arguement is that chip doesn't respect his superstars where chip might be thinking nobody is bigger than the team like alex ferguson used to

Yeah, I don't care about soccer but insofar as I do, I really despise Chelsea, for exactly that reason. As to chip Kelly, I'm still only a few years following the game so I'm not exactly au fait with what the big deal is, but given the control he has over decision making, and how much of his reputation he's putting at stake by taking on that control, along with how solid his reputation is in the game already, I just don't believe he's dumb enough to pursue some kind of eugenics program out of pure curiosity. He might have made some crazy free agency moves, but he presumably didn't get where he is through blind luck coupled with a secret belief that white people are better at football, overwhelming statistical evidence bedamned.

A diva player being a diva, though, is perfectly explicable and requires no rationalising.

helimachoptor

Justin Hunter and Kendall Wright on draft night...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xywgulvbja4

phatkev

I was fully expecting cheering and high fives, but the two lads dont look pleased

In Exile

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I think the problem with shadys arguement is that chip doesn't respect his superstars where chip might be thinking nobody is bigger than the team like alex ferguson used to

I think this hits the nail on the head. Coach doesn't treat the superstar how he feels he should be treated so he calls "racist".

Knex*

phatkev wrote: »

I was fully expecting cheering and high fives, but the two lads dont look pleased

Reading the comments, think they had been working out with Mettenberger quite a bit in order to get both him and themselves ready for the new season. They went "all in" with him.

Apparently just after that they were saying "alright, we'll see what he's got".

If Mariota is a true first round talent, he'll get them onside in no time.

helimachoptor

Yeah, the view at this point is Mett was working out with the WRs and TEs and they seen him as the number one QB.

But it MM comes in and does his stuff Mett will be forgotten about, if he doesn't there's likely to be a team split

Knex*

Too late to trade Mariota for half the Eagels team?

I vote no. Lets get this done.

helimachoptor

Defintely, he's a Titan.

Read something a couple of days ago.

Since the draft the Titans have had more mentions in national media than they've had in the last 3 years combined

Not sure how true that is but we are Defintely getting more press

Knex*

This is gold.

Why Cam Newton Is the Worst Draft Pick Ever

poldebruin

Knex. wrote: »

This is gold.

Why Cam Newton Is the Worst Draft Pick Ever

"...ask Denver Broncos fans if they would trade Tebow for Newton straight up...They'd laugh in your face"

This part is true, I certainly laughed at the suggestion.

adrian522

poldebruin

It might be stating the obvious, and a bit late, but the two images above are the reason why I find it so hard to read about post draft analysis, from pros and amateurs alike......there is no way of knowing who has had a good or bad draft. There's no pick you can be especially happy with.

A good article about the market of the draft on FiveThirtyEight
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/

Now I do understand that on any given draft a team can turn their fortunes around (or continue to plumb the depths - Oakland!) but the point is, there is no way of knowing post draft how each team has faired.

I do like reading historical draft analysis though, just to see how wrong some of the experts can be.

Realt Dearg Sec

poldebruin wrote: »

It might be stating the obvious, and a bit late, but the two images above are the reason why I find it so hard to read about post draft analysis, from pros and amateurs alike......there is no way of knowing who has had a good or bad draft. There's no pick you can be especially happy with.

A good article about the market of the draft on FiveThirtyEight
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/

Now I do understand that on any given draft a team can turn their fortunes around (or continue to plumb the depths - Oakland!) but the point is, there is no way of knowing post draft how each team has faired.

I do like reading historical draft analysis though, just to see how wrong some of the experts can be.

Yeah it's one of the reasons I was inclined to retract my initial skepticism about the Bears draft this year. Also, since the Packers are historically so good at drafting, it makes all the complaining among their fans about the draft this year kind of funny. I wouldn't be at all surprised if in a few years time they were found to have had a great 2015 draft.

adrian522

adrian522 wrote: »

i remember radio city music halls texans fans went mental at that pick as well really really hated it

raze_them_all_

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah it's one of the reasons I was inclined to retract my initial skepticism about the Bears draft this year. Also, since the Packers are historically so good at drafting, it makes all the complaining among their fans about the draft this year kind of funny. I wouldn't be at all surprised if in a few years time they were found to have had a great 2015 draft.

we are complaining because we want dom capers gone and since that wont happen we want big upgrades on defence. we let more guys go than we signed on defence

Realt Dearg Sec

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

we are complaining because we want dom capers gone and since that wont happen we want big upgrades on defence. we let more guys go than we signed on defence

Wanting Dom Capers gone is a different matter, people were complaining about the draft picks on the Packers thread. Which is fine, no big deal, but clearly that is separate to complaining about the DC. You'd presumably want upgrades on the defence either way, right? It's clearly the side of the ball that needs more work. But if the players work out, then it'll be regarded as a good draft, whereas drafting for need often leads to bad picks. Personally I thought it looked like a bad draft for the Packers, but knowing our luck ye could draft 7 kickers and it would end up working out for ye.

UnitedIrishman

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Wanting Dom Capers gone is a different matter, people were complaining about the draft picks on the Packers thread. Which is fine, no big deal, but clearly that is separate to complaining about the DC. You'd presumably want upgrades on the defence either way, right? It's clearly the side of the ball that needs more work. But if the players work out, then it'll be regarded as a good draft, whereas drafting for need often leads to bad picks. Personally I thought it looked like a bad draft for the Packers, but knowing our luck ye could draft 7 kickers and it would end up working out for ye.

Think the issue is for most Packers fans is that the two corners we drafted are going to need a lot of work before starting seeing as they'll be converting from the safety position. Then we drafted a kick returner in the 3rd and although we addressed ILB in the 4th, we're fairly bare there unless we play Matthew's there which isn't ideal. I guess we were all thinking Ted would go with the win now mentality this draft but he's proven time and again he doesn't really do that. For what it's worth after watching some tape on he guys we drafted I really like Rollins and Ryan and I think Hundley could develop into solid player as either back up or traded for more down the line if it doesn't work out.

JaMarcusHustle

Aaron Curry has rendered draft analysis pointless.

JaMarcusHustle

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Aaron Curry has rendered draft analysis pointless.

Currys the go to example but there are lesser examples every year some of the best drafts Iv seen where ridiculed at the time and visa versa

MightyMandarin

http://www.scout.com/story/1545004-nfl-teams-paid-to-thank-troops-at-games

So it turns out that the US Military is actually paying teams to display the whole 'support the troops' stuff we see before pretty much every game.

Unsurprising but it's quite sh*tty that they'd cut money from veteran's programs just to advertise at football games, and that the NFL doesn't exactly support the troops for purely charitable reasons.

skippymac6

Wow that's a fairly hefty punishment from the NFL on the deflating of the balls issue. Brady gets a four game suspension, they lose next year's 1st round pick and the 2017 4th round pick and they get fined 1 million dollars. I'm not sure the punishment fits the crime in terms of severity with all the domestic abuse and substance abuse suspensions and fines but I think the NFL wanted to (rightly or wrongly) make an example of the patriots and perhaps all the stuff that Bellicheck and Kraft said before the Superbowl and their (apparent) lack of co-operation in the investigation, pissed off the NFL enough to throw the book at them.

With Blount and Bell suspended as well now for the first game of the year you will have Jimmy Garroppolo handing off to Jonas Gray on one side and Big Ben handing off to Deangelo Williams on the other! In almost perfect symmetry though, Tom Brady comes back in week 5 in their match away to the Colts!!! Brilliant stuff! I will take my savings before that match and back the Patriots as that one is going to mean a lot to them!!

skippymac6

skippymac6 wrote: »

...perhaps all the stuff that Bellicheck and Kraft said before the Superbowl and their (apparent) lack of co-operation in the investigation, pissed off the NFL enough to throw the book at them.

It seems harsh alright - their contributions can't have helped.

very interesting matt barkley on the difference between college and nfl footballs


"I may be a little late to this party, but I'll add my two cents from my experience of dealing with both Nike and Wilson footballs. First off, there is no better football than "The Duke" that Wilson makes for the NFL. Both the leather quality and the shape (not size) make a remarkable difference, for me at least. The Wilson just fits in your hand better and has a much more natural feel. Now let me backtrack to college. At USC my first two years I used the Nike 3005 'small girth' ball. As you can guess, yes, there is a 'large girth' version which I ended up switching to my junior and senior year. From my experience with these two, despite what I just read about official ball sizes, there is a clear difference in the ball size and how it feels in your hand. Now this noticeable size difference is primarily located toward the nose end of the ball. And IMO, that's the biggest difference between college balls and the NFL ball. College footballs tend to be more narrow toward the nose (between stripes and nose), while the NFL ball feels a bit thicker at that location. I believe this is the reason why the NFL ball spins better and feels more natural when you're holding it. Allllll that to say, probably the biggest difference in how a ball spins/feels is how it is prepared. Some teams use Mississippi mud, others wet them down and rub them with towels, I've even heard of equipment managers throwing balls into the dryer. So it's all personal preference at that point, but from my experience, I couldn't wait to throw the NFL ball. TLDR; There is a difference in college and NFL balls, and although the NFL ball 'feels' bigger, it also feels more natural in your hand."

poldebruin

This is nice to see and classy (if little risky) by the Jaguars.

Dante Fowler, overall 3rd pick of draft who tore his ACL 30 minutes into his first practise was signed by the Jaguars with no safety net for the team should he not recover fully (I think that's what no offsets in the contract means)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/12/fowler-gets-deal-with-no-offsets-or-training-camp-roster-bonuses/

If it doesn't work out people will question how smart it is, but I think moves like this improves the overall perception of a club for fans and players/coaches alike.