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IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

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    #3572
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Daith wrote: »
    And that our taxes are a fraction of how we fund our water infrastructure which is mainly by borrowing millions.

    Anyway. What are you hoping to achieve by protesting?
    By not paying thru the nose to pay off loans I don't have, by not paying the wages of those that have been given a free ride and job they don't deserve in IW, is that good enough answer for you? Or do you want more?!


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    #3573
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭Daith


    Tony EH wrote: »
    The vast, vast majority of people who find themselves in receipt of social welfare do so, through no fault of their own at all and would be more than delighted to be off of it in the morning and back into full time employment.

    Jesus. Somebody asked me who didn't pay taxes. I picked one and now it's turned into "oh no you can't say them, choose another target".

    When I was on social welfare, I paid for my ESB and mobile phone. I don't see why I wouldn't pay for water either.


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    #3574
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,115 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Daith wrote: »
    I'm asking people who are protesting cos I have no idea.

    There's three bleedin threads already on Boards.ie that have plenty of content on why people are protesting.

    Pay attention.


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    #3575
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭Daith


    Tony EH wrote: »
    There's three bleedin threads already on Boards.ie that have plenty of content on why people are protesting.

    Pay attention.

    I am and it still doesn't make sense. What do you actually want?


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    #3576
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Daith wrote: »
    I am and it still doesn't make sense. What do you actually want?

    You to stop asking silly questions when, if you have read thru the thread you would know the answer.


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    #3577
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,860 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Its not an attitude its simple fact, anyone whos on social welfare technically doesnt really pay tax themselves due to their income being from social welfare which is paid for by everyone elses taxes. Essentially my taxes pay for their taxes.

    Its a harsh way to look at it but its still how the system works.

    Also again since the income tax take far exceeds any other form of taxation the original argument is invalid since just beacuse people pay VAT and other indirect taxes those payments dont come anywhere near paying for the essentials services like water and other government provided infrastructure they use. So everyone who pays income tax is effectively subsidising not only their income with social welfare but also the other direct taxes they dont pay.

    Again not belittling here its simple facts

    what is PRSI for then ?

    You're facts are my toilet roll.

    ;)


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    #3578
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Tony EH wrote: »
    So, scrap the dole yeh...aren't ya just great.

    :rolleyes:

    Yeah thats exactly what I said....... if you cant have an logical argument with someone reduce yourself to putting words in their mouth, great tactic that will win you a lot of populist support all right.


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    #3579
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,860 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yeah thats exactly what I said....... if you cant have an logical argument with someone reduce yourself to putting words in their mouth, great tactic that will win you a lot of populist support all right.

    Saying the word 'Fact' does not make your post logical btw.


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    #3580
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    listermint wrote: »
    what is PRSI for then ?

    You're facts are my toilet roll.

    ;)

    If your trying to make a valid point go ahead and clarify it instead of opting for populist soundbites


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    #3581
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,860 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    VinLieger wrote: »
    If your trying to make a valid point go ahead and clarify it instead of opting for populist soundbites

    Well see i already quoted you above, But you ignored that. So why should i bother?


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    #3582
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    listermint wrote: »
    Saying the word 'Fact' does not make your post logical btw.

    Okay poke holes in my logic id be happy to admit im wrong.


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    #3583
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,860 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Okay poke holes in my logic id be happy to admit im wrong.

    please scroll up to post 3577

    I wont be assisting you in this matter you have fingers.


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    #3584
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Okay poke holes in my logic id be happy to admit im wrong.


    You said that someone on Social Welfare doesnt really pay Tax, and that was a fact.


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    #3585
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Okay poke holes in my logic id be happy to admit im wrong.

    Have you read your own posts?
    Just look at the last 2-3 replys
    To yours to get an idea.

    Edit :dammit I was beaten to itby 2 other posters


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    #3586
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    You said that someone on Social Welfare doesnt really pay Tax, and that was a fact.

    Yes they pay any tax like VAT and car tax with their social welfare payment which comes from other tax payers, so other people are effectively paying their taxes.


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    #3587
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yes they pay any tax like VAT and car tax with their social welfare payment which comes from other tax payers, so other people are effectively paying their taxes.
    Ok, soo.. When someone ends up on the dole... Dont You get it?! Ffs


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    #3588
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    listermint wrote: »
    please scroll up to post 3577

    I wont be assisting you in this matter you have fingers.

    Seriously im not sure the point you are making and id like you to explain, are you gonna have that big a chip on your shoulder that just cus I disagree with you, you wont provide new info that might change my opinion?


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    #3589
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Seriously im not sure the point you are making and id like you to explain, are you gonna have that big a chip on your shoulder that just cus I disagree with you, you wont provide new info that might change my opinion?
    Clear and simple! People pay stamps, it entitles them to payments! Do you understand?!


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    #3590
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    deco nate wrote: »
    Clear and simple! People pay stamps, it entitles them to payments! Do you understand?!

    What do they pay for the stamps with? Where does that money come from?


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    #3591
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    VinLieger wrote: »
    What do they pay for the stamps with? Where does that money come from?

    From working before being layed off. Dont be a dick.
    Edit :it was called stamps back in my day, ie prsi stamps
    If something happens to you, you are entitled to money of the government.
    How can you not know this??


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    #3592
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Hes making the point unemployed people pay taxes like VAT on things and car tax and other in direct taxes using the social welfare money that other people pay taxes to provide them.

    Another one who has never heard of PRSI.
    Here's a clue as to what it means, Pay Related Social Insurance.

    i.e, a person who has worked for years pays PRSI from their wages each week/month so when or if they become unemployed they get a weekly payment from the taxes they've contributed.

    See...


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    #3593
    Joshua J
    Registered Users Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yes they pay any tax like VAT and car tax with their social welfare payment which comes from other tax payers, so other people are effectively paying their taxes.

    Like Civil Servants?.


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    #3594
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    Joshua J wrote: »
    Like Civil Servants?.


    The private sector pays them and their PS mates.


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    #3595
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    At this stage I think people are just jumping in an know f all what they are talking about, really! I mean who doesn't know about prsi!?
    And yet they want to debate water charges!?


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    #3596
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    VinLieger wrote: »
    What do they pay for the stamps with? Where does that money come from?

    Are you really that ignorant or are you just trolling?


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    #3597
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yes they pay any tax like VAT and car tax with their social welfare payment which comes from other tax payers, so other people are effectively paying their taxes.

    Unless of course they were only recently made unemployed and have contributed significant PRSI over the years.


    The point you claimed was "Fact" was in actuality, an opinion and in lots of cases, demonstrably false


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    #3598
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »
    Are you really that ignorant or are you just trolling?
    The latter i fear.


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    #3599
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    During the boom we had near full employment,Attacking the dolers aint cutting it for me,I dont buy into stereo types with the exclusion of FG supporters of course.


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    #3600
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    During the boom we had near full employment,Attacking the dolers aint cutting it for me,I dont buy into stereo types with the exclusion of FG supporters of course.


    I didnt buy into Stereo Types either until I got this great Wireless system from Bose.


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    #3601
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,115 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Daith wrote: »
    I am and it still doesn't make sense. What do you actually want?

    Read the threads. It's quite clear...if you're really that interested.

    ;)


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