The ITV Thread

lertsnim

L1011 wrote: »

I'm interested to see if UPC feel (or are!) required to force it on to analogue and what'll be the lost channel if so. Still a vast number of secondary and further TVs on analogue cable about as well as the tiny number of direct customers - mostly elderly I'd guess.

UTV NI id have guessed

dublinbusdude

irishfeen wrote: »

No its full up to 116 - 116 was the logical place.

101 RTE One
102 RTE Two HD/SD
103 TV3
104 TG4
105 3e
106 Sky 1
107 Sky Living
108 Sky Atlanic
109 Watch
110 Gold
111 Dave
112 Comedy Central
113 Universal Channel
114 Syfy
115 RTÉ Two HD/SD
116 UTV Ireland HD/SD

I think 3e should at 116 & UTV Ireland at 105

irishfeen

dublinbusdude wrote: »

I think 3e should at 116 & UTV Ireland at 105

Ya I actually though that sky would have moved TV3 down but UTVI doesn't have a full PSB licence so this might have prevented them from doing so - who knows in future they might secure a full licence and take 105.

dublinbusdude

irishfeen wrote: »

Ya I actually though that sky would have moved TV3 down but UTVI doesn't have a full PSB licence so this might have prevented them from doing so - who knows in future they might secure a full licence and take 105.

Through UTV Ireland had a full licence

irishfeen

dublinbusdude wrote: »

Through UTV Ireland had a full licence

Seemingly not a full Public Service Broadcast licence -


Under the contract signed with the BAI - "Contracts granted by the BAI under Section 71 are for content only and do not carry an automatic right to carriage on a platform"

twinklerunner

When RTE1 HD launches that will put the SD/HD versions on 101/117 .. a messy Sky epg for Irish customers

L1011

irishfeen wrote: »

Seemingly not a full Public Service Broadcast licence -


Under the contract signed with the BAI - "Contracts granted by the BAI under Section 71 are for content only and do not carry an automatic right to carriage on a platform"

It has now been given S130 approval though

national television multiplex established, maintained and operated by RTÉ under section 114 (1) (i) shall provide for the broadcasting by digital means of—

(i) the national television broadcasting service commonly known as RTÉ One and RTÉ Two,

(ii) TG4,

(iii) where required by the Minister—

(I) The Houses of the Oireachtas Channel, and

(II) The Irish Film Channel,

(iv) such other television services, having the character of a public service, as may be designated by the Minister by order, and

dublinbusdude

irishfeen wrote: »

Seemingly not a full Public Service Broadcast licence -


Under the contract signed with the BAI - "Contracts granted by the BAI under Section 71 are for content only and do not carry an automatic right to carriage on a platform"

Strange that then

irishfeen

twinklerunner wrote: »

When RTE1 HD launches that will put the SD/HD versions on 101/117 .. a messy Sky epg for Irish customers

Well we almost 12 months after the RTÉ1 launch on Saorview (and the will appear shortly on sky) press release from RTÉ... We could be waiting for a long time yet! ... but yes its starting to get very messy, UTV should be really given 115 to set up something like this -

111 Dave
112 Comedy Central
113 Universal Channel
114 Syfy
115 UTV Ireland HD/SD

116 *RTÉ 1 HD/SD*

117 RTÉ 2 HD/SD

118 *TV3 SD/HD*
119 *TG4 SD/HD*

*For future service*

ffocused

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/2014/Minister+designates+new+UTV+Ireland+channel+for+carriage+on+SAORVIEW.htm

Utv Ireland now has the character of a public service broadcaster. (Whatever that means!)

icdg

It doesn't really mean anything outside of the context of the section in question, which gives it must-carry status on Saorview. It changes nothing about the contract they were granted by the BAI.

Rather disappointed that it had to come to that though - reinforces the "Irish Only Need Apply" status of Saorview rather than breaking it.

irishfeen

icdg wrote: »

It doesn't really mean anything outside of the context of the section in question, which gives it must-carry status on Saorview.

Rather disappointed that it had to come to that though - reinforces the "Irish Only Need Apply" status of Saorview rather than breaking it.

Well it was obviously TV3 who forced the ministers hand which is disgraceful...

icdg

L1011 wrote: »

I'm interested to see if UPC feel (or are!) required to force it on to analogue and what'll be the lost channel if so. Still a vast number of secondary and further TVs on analogue cable about as well as the tiny number of direct customers - mostly elderly I'd guess.

I'd imagine the answer will be yes and the lost channel will be UTV.

Its the end of an era, but to be expected really. UTV wouldn't want the audience cannibalised. No more ITN or ITV Sport unless you have a satellite dish or overspill.

formerly scottish paddy

Is it not because the present two muxes are the Public Service ones run by RTÉ and the other commercial ones have not started? It is just a way of allowing commercial broadcasters on the PSB muxes. Let's face it TV3 and UTV should have been made to set up their own mux (OK, OK stop laughing!)

formerly scottish paddy

icdg wrote: »

No more ITN or ITV Sport unless you have a satellite dish or overspill.

or someone pushes the wrong button!

irishboyuk

Are there any test channels on Saorview yet?

irishfeen

irishboyuk wrote: »

Are there any test channels on Saorview yet?

There seems to be movement on one of the hidden HD channels but no sign that its to do with UTV... Promos currently running for UTVI and their upcoming programmes on satellite now though.

brick man

I wonder how this news is going down over at TV3 now that it is going on Saorview. I wouldnt rule out TV3 trying the court route.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

If UTVI launch on Saorview HD test channel 12 and HD test channel 14 is for TG4 where will the planned TV3 HD go in 2015? Will a 3rd mux have to be launched to facilitate TV3HD?

irishfeen

brick man wrote: »

I wonder how this news is going down over at TV3 now that it is going on Saorview. I wouldnt rule out TV3 trying the court route.

I think the minister announcing this means they are taking steps to stop TV3 from going down the legal route.

Elmo

ffocused wrote: »

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/2014/Minister+designates+new+UTV+Ireland+channel+for+carriage+on+SAORVIEW.htm

Utv Ireland now has the character of a public service broadcaster. (Whatever that means!)

And under what part of the act does the minister have to power to designate a TV channel public service, surely that is the job of the BAI, an independent body.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

According to the UTVI website UTVI will be on channel 116 on Sky and an epg slot on Saorview will be announced shortly. No mention of HD on Saorview.

icdg

Elmo wrote: »

And under what part of the act does the minister have to power to designate a TV channel public service, surely that is the job of the BAI, an independent body.

To be clear he does not and UTV are being slightly disingenuous about what the section in question says.

Section 130 of the Act requires RTÉ to establish a DTT multiplex carrying the following services
- RTE One, RTE2, and TG4.
- Where required to by the Minister, the Houses of the Oireachtas Channel and the Irish Film Channel (which doesn't exist).
- Such other television services which have "the character of a public service" as may be designated by order.

The effect of the order is not to make UTV Ireland a service having the character of a public service. It is saying that it already had the character of a public service and that it is now a must-carry service on Saorview.

Just to say that the DCENR press release is far more clear about what the Minster has done:

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/2014/Minister+designates+new+UTV+Ireland+channel+for+carriage+on+SAORVIEW.htm

brick man

natashaob6 wrote: »

According to the UTVI website UTVI will be on channel 116 on Sky and an epg slot on Saorview will be announced shortly. No mention of HD on Saorview.

To be fair their is no mention of HD at all in the press release. But there has been movement all weekend with the hidden testcards on saorview in paticular channel 12 which is a HD testcard

brick man

natashaob6 wrote: »

According to the UTVI website UTVI will be on channel 116 on Sky and an epg slot on Saorview will be announced shortly. No mention of HD on Saorview.

To be fair their is no mention of HD at all in the press release. But there has been movement all weekend with the hidden testcards on saorview in particular channel 12 which is a HD testcard

Elmo

Surely that order should come from the BAI not the Department.

galtee boy

icdg wrote: »

It doesn't really mean anything outside of the context of the section in question, which gives it must-carry status on Saorview. It changes nothing about the contract they were granted by the BAI.

Rather disappointed that it had to come to that though - reinforces the "Irish Only Need Apply" status of Saorview rather than breaking it.

Could it mean that UTVI can force 3e off channel 5 on Saorview or is 3e also designated a PSB ?

The Cush

Elmo wrote: »

Surely that order should come from the BAI not the Department.

The Act requires the Minister to sign the order

130.— (1) (a) A national television multiplex established, maintained and operated by RTÉ under section 114 (1) (i) shall provide for the broadcasting by digital means of—

...

(iv) such other television services, having the character of a public service, as may be designated by the Minister by order,

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0018/sec0130.html#sec130

The Cush

galtee boy wrote: »

Could it mean that UTVI can force 3e off channel 5 on Saorview or is 3e also designated a PSB ?

3e operates under TV3's Sec.70 licence while UTVI has a Sec.71 licence, it won't be moving. LCN 6 for UTVI with RTÉ News moving to LCN 21 and RTÉ1+1 to LCN 11 would be my guess based on all the testing in recent times.

dublinbusdude

dublinbusdude wrote: »

Wouldnt through it be down that far!

So the new Sky EPG will be:

101 RTE One SD (HD when)
102 RTE Two*
103 TV3
104 TG4
105 3e
106 Sky 1
107 Sky Living
108 Sky Atlanic
109 Watch
110 Gold
111 Dave
112 Comedy Central
113 Universal Channel
114 RTE Two*
115 none
116 UTV Ireland

* either HD or SD

Wondering why its down so far down the list

No other available slot!