**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Well, it's off topic and I'm sure there's threads for it.

There are indeed.

Tinkersbell wrote: »

But to see the leaders of two political party's behave as judge, jury and executioner under Dail privilege shows them for what they really are.

I'll try and set this out clearly. I am not, nor have I ever been a supporter of FG. Neither do I support the management structure or bonus culture of IW. My stance is that IW are a necessary organisation and meter based charges are the most equitable way of providing for water services as well as being good for conservation and for the economy in that they widen the tax base.

So I'll ask again because nobody has answered. If the protesters did not start the trouble then why have they no video footage of the Gardaí doing so when they clearly were videoing before, during and after the rioting. I'd also like to point out that the Right2Water group have distanced themselves from the protests in which trouble occurred. Is this not a clear sign that these "placename says no" groups are not peaceful groups? Even if you ignore the numerous comments on their pages advocating extreme violence, you have to take notice of the main opposition to charges siding with the Gardaí.

http://www.thejournal.ie/right2water-protesters-gardai-violence-1768789-Nov2014/#comment-3087617

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

There are indeed.



I'll try and set this out clearly. I am not, nor have I ever been a supporter of FG. Neither do I support the management structure or bonus culture of IW. My stance is that IW are a necessary organisation and meter based charges are the most equitable way of providing for water services as well as being good for conservation and for the economy in that they widen the tax base.

So I'll ask again because nobody has answered. If the protesters did not start the trouble then why have they no video footage of the Gardaí doing so when they clearly were videoing before, during and after the rioting. I'd also like to point out that the Right2Water group have distanced themselves from the protests in which trouble occurred. Is this not a clear sign that these "placename says no" groups are not peaceful groups? Even if you ignore the numerous comments on their pages advocating extreme violence, you have to take notice of the main opposition to charges siding with the Gardaí.

http://www.thejournal.ie/right2water-protesters-gardai-violence-1768789-Nov2014/#comment-3087617

The vast majority of people against a water tax would condemn this type of behaviour.
There's always people who'll hijack protests like this to cause trouble.
The Gardai should deal with them in the proper manner i.e arrest and charge them and let them have their day in court.
I, for one though, don't believe that three Gardai a day are being seriously assaulted by protesters. Where's the arrests if that's the case?

moxin

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Little CuChulainn wrote: »

So I'll ask again because nobody has answered. If the protesters did not start the trouble then why have they no video footage of the Gardaí doing so when they clearly were videoing before, during and after the rioting. I'd also like to point out that the Right2Water group have distanced themselves from the protests in which trouble occurred. Is this not a clear sign that these "placename says no" groups are not peaceful groups? Even if you ignore the numerous comments on their pages advocating extreme violence, you have to take notice of the main opposition to charges siding with the Gardaí.

http://www.thejournal.ie/right2water-protesters-gardai-violence-1768789-Nov2014/#comment-3087617

Your link says nothing about any riots or violent protests that have occurred. What riots have occurred? You alone seem privy to this information.

Banjo String

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mikom wrote: »

Gonna need a lot of water to wash that image out of my head........... http://media.central.ie/media/images/n/NoraOwenOct2009PicLARRYCUMMINS.jpg

Spittin image.

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Banjo String wrote: »

Spittin image.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/29/article-2351551-16D425F0000005DC-370_634x480.jpg


actually given her comments about kids toys for Christmas ... this one is applicable too http://www.virginmedia.com/images/childcatcher-431x300.jpg

Andy-Pandy

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

I was threatened with violence this afternoon after having the audacity to say that I think there is merit in the water charges and that I agree, to a point, in it being a commodity worth having to be paid for. I supposedly now have to watch my back and that hes coming all the way from Limerick to get me. I wish i had screen grabbed it. It seems that the only opinion that some of the protesters will let you have is the one they want you to have. He then waffled on about private schools, 1916 and democracy. I wouldn't be surprised if hes on here somewhere. Absolute nutter.

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I was threatened with violence this afternoon after having the audacity to say that I think there is merit in the water charges and that I agree, to a point, in it being a commodity worth having to be paid for. I supposedly now have to watch my back and that hes coming all the way from Limerick to get me. I wish i had screen grabbed it. It seems that the only opinion that some of the protesters will let you have is the one they want you to have. He then waffled on about private schools, 1916 and democracy. I wouldn't be surprised if hes on here somewhere. Absolute nutter.

Keyboard warriors of this type would have a great chance of being employed by Irish water and supporters of water charges in order to try discredit those who are against water charge corruption. Sure what else are the highly paid underworked employees of an overstaffed quango supposed to do ? Seriously - what harm can a keyboard warrior do to you if you dont reveal any personal information about yourself ? And even then... people who intend to get away with something dont make public threats beforehand, do they ? It is well known that public relations strategies involve paying internet posters to contribute specific views and behaviours. In fact everyone is at it from party hacks, pro life, pro choice etc folks to actual sovereign states which thirst after international respectability especially if they have a questionable human rights record. What makes you think a disgusting corrupt quango is above this type of behaviour ? The ends justifies the means is apparently a justified strategy for a government which ignores the sovereign will of its people.

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Tinkersbell wrote: »

The vast majority of people against a water tax would condemn this type of behaviour.
There's always people who'll hijack protests like this to cause trouble.
The Gardai should deal with them in the proper manner i.e arrest and charge them and let them have their day in court.
I, for one though, don't believe that three Gardai a day are being seriously assaulted by protesters. Where's the arrests if that's the case?

Eh no, three Gardaí a day were being injured before the protests. And the lack of prosecutions against their attackers is something the GRA has raised a large number of times. They even launched a major campaign to make the pubblic aware of it. I guess you missed the billboards.

It seems you are right though. People here seem to have stopped blaming the riots in Coolock on the Gardaí for the most part. but that can only mean it was indeed caused by people who are using the water meter issue as a smoke screen. And as I and others have said before, it's up to the legitimate peaceful protesters to distance themselves from these individuals rather than expect the public to try differentiate them and this is exactly what the right2water group has done.

moxin wrote: »

Your link says nothing about any riots or violent protests that have occurred. What riots have occurred? You alone seem privy to this information.

Coolock Garda Station. Where have you been? It's pretty well known at this stage. I can only assume you are playing dumb to avoid all the points I raised. Not surprised really.

Andy-Pandy

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

masculinist wrote: »

Keyboard warriors of this type would have a great chance of being employed by Irish water and supporters of water charges in order to try discredit those who are against water charge corruption. Sure what else are the highly paid underworked employees of an overstaffed quango supposed to do ? Seriously - what harm can a keyboard warrior do to you if you dont reveal any personal information about yourself ? And even then... people who intend to get away with something dont make public threats beforehand, do they ? It is well known that public relations strategies involve paying internet posters to contribute specific views and behaviours. In fact everyone is at it from party hacks, pro life, pro choice etc folks to actual sovereign states which thirst after international respectability especially if they have a questionable human rights record. What makes you think a disgusting corrupt quango is above this type of behaviour ? The ends justifies the means is apparently a justified strategy for a government which ignores the sovereign will of its people.

What?

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

What?

There is a lot of money at stake here for vested interests. Follow the money and ask yourself who has something to gain from such goings on. Nobody against water charges has anything to gain from violence or threats. In fact Irish Water has the most to gain from it - and the justification they can use of sure arent all water protestors lunatics etc . Unfortunately for them this cause has the support of a million people - hundreds of thousands of whom went marching in the rain and cold. Some even brought their kids with them and grandparents.

moxin

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Coolock Garda Station. Where have you been? It's pretty well known at this stage. I can only assume you are playing dumb to avoid all the points I raised. Not surprised really.

What rioting at Coolock Garda station? I have seen none in the videos nor seen reports in the media of any riot. Even the beloved Gardai haven't reported a riot yet!!

Irish Steve

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

3 ex county managers in the IW structure, what are they setting up? An alternative government maybe? Whatever it is, with senior semi state employees of that calibre, we had better be prepared for some serious management input. Oh right, this is the outfit that can't even respond to E-mail messages, or answer the phones correctly, or deal with customers without being trained on "stress management". Clearly, the county managers have done an excellent job in training the people that work for them in how to do exactly what they have already demonstrated they were so good at in their previous work places.

The more likely scenario is that IW has become the means by which these "people" are being facilitated to gold plate their already obscene retirement funds, with the blessing of the political elite that have made this possible

I was prepared to pay the IW charges, I didn't realise that they'd gone this far, I'm beginning to feel like telling them that if they want to get paid, they get rid of the dead wood at the top, or they can whistle for their slush fund.

I'm not angry, I'm way beyond that now, I've seen first hand just how bad these people are, and the thought that they are going to be having any sort of significant role in IW makes me puke.

I thought FG were going to deal with this sort of garbage, it was in their last manifesto, clearly, their way of "dealing with it" is not the way that normal people recognise or accept.

We have to find a way to bring this whole stinking can of worms down, and make sure that it NEVER gets to rear its head again.

Andy-Pandy

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

masculinist wrote: »

There is a lot of money at stake here for vested interests. Follow the money and ask yourself who has something to gain from such goings on. Nobody against water charges has anything to gain from violence or threats. In fact Irish Water has the most to gain from it - and the justification they can use of sure arent all water protestors lunatics etc . Unfortunately for them this cause has the support of a million people - hundreds of thousands of whom went marching in the rain and cold. Some even brought their kids with them and grandparents.

Do you think i made up some randomer threatening me, are you saying i signed up to boards on behalf of Irish water 9 years ago to spread tales of intimidation? Fair enough, I know it happened though, the only thing he had to gain was trying to intimidate me for having a different view to him, the lads a thug and was acting like one.
I get why people are angry with Irish water, I really do. I just happen to be of a different opinion to him and you. Its allowed and its not a conspiracy.

Ghost Buster

Irish Steve wrote: »

3 ex county managers in the IW structure, what are they setting up? An alternative government maybe? Whatever it is, with senior semi state employees of that calibre, we had better be prepared for some serious management input. Oh right, this is the outfit that can't even respond to E-mail messages, or answer the phones correctly, or deal with customers without being trained on "stress management". Clearly, the county managers have done an excellent job in training the people that work for them in how to do exactly what they have already demonstrated they were so good at in their previous work places.

The more likely scenario is that IW has become the means by which these "people" are being facilitated to gold plate their already obscene retirement funds, with the blessing of the political elite that have made this possible

I was prepared to pay the IW charges, I didn't realise that they'd gone this far, I'm beginning to feel like telling them that if they want to get paid, they get rid of the dead wood at the top, or they can whistle for their slush fund.

I'm not angry, I'm way beyond that now, I've seen first hand just how bad these people are, and the thought that they are going to be having any sort of significant role in IW makes me puke.

I thought FG were going to deal with this sort of garbage, it was in their last manifesto, clearly, their way of "dealing with it" is not the way that normal people recognise or accept.

We have to find a way to bring this whole stinking can of worms down, and make sure that it NEVER gets to rear its head again.

Wish I could thank this more than once

downonthefarm

moxin wrote: »

What rioting at Coolock Garda station? I have seen none in the videos nor seen reports in the media of any riot. Even the beloved Gardai haven't reported a riot yet!!

I didn't see anything in cooloock that would constitute a riot.all i saw was a bit of jostling and banter.

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

Do you think i made up some randomer threatening me, are you saying i signed up to boards on behalf of Irish water 9 years ago to spread tales of intimidation? Fair enough, I know it happened though, the only thing he had to gain was trying to intimidate me for having a different view to him, the lads a thug and was acting like one.
I get why people are angry with Irish water, I really do. I just happen to be of a different opinion to him and you. Its allowed and its not a conspiracy.

Where did this all happen?

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

Do you think i made up some randomer threatening me

You misread or misunderstood what I wrote. I did not say you made it up.
I can well believe that an agent of Irish Water threatened you in order to make both you and them look like a victim and to make the millions opposed to water charges look like bad bad people. I can believe that because practically everyone is at it. China, North Korea, Pro Lifers, Pro choice, anti-Israel, Pro israel, Republican , Democratic, Gay, Feminist , party hacks of all descriptions you name it they all have an internet warrior division as a valid strategy in order to achieve their aims. Some are even highly paid to post their propaganda.

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

are you saying i signed up to boards on behalf of Irish water 9 years ago to spread tales of intimidation?

Now that would be a real conspiracy theory. Unless you have a history of campaigning for various causes with this user account of which Irish Water is the latest then I would not take that claim seriously.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

Do you think i made up some randomer threatening me, are you saying i signed up to boards on behalf of Irish water 9 years ago to spread tales of intimidation? Fair enough, I know it happened though, the only thing he had to gain was trying to intimidate me for having a different view to him, the lads a thug and was acting like one.

Did it happen on this site?

gladrags

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moxin wrote: »

What rioting at Coolock Garda station? I have seen none in the videos nor seen reports in the media of any riot. Even the beloved Gardai haven't reported a riot yet!!

Its all "if only" bluster.

moxin

I do not want to pay for water in any way

downonthefarm wrote: »

I didn't see anything in cooloock that would constitute a riot.all i saw was a bit of jostling and banter.

Yes, they shouted "shame on you" for the earlier push onto the ground of the pensioner in Santry and they also chanted "they say cut back, we say fight back"

Does verbal chanting constitute a riot now?..ROFL

Andy-Pandy

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

This afternoon on a friend's facebook account. I could link to his account, but i wont as i'm a wimp and don't want to antagonise him anymore. He said he was going to find out who I am and come and get me. I understand people like him are in the minority but there is a thugish element that has taken over the anti side, they are unwilling to even allow people to have a different opinion to themselves.

Chance The Fapper

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHc0H5O6bo4

Tinkersbell

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moxin wrote: »

Yes, they shouted "shame on you" for the earlier push onto the ground of the pensioner in Santry and they also chanted "they say cut back, we say fight back"

Does verbal chanting constitute a riot now?..ROFL

If the 'Independent':D says it does, then it does.

masculinist

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Andy-Pandy wrote: »

there is a thugish element that has taken over the anti side,

Thats the most disgusting thing I have read all day

Satriale

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

This afternoon on a friend's facebook account. I could link to his account, but i wont as i'm a wimp and don't want to antagonise him anymore. He said he was going to find out who I am and come and get me. I understand people like him are in the minority but there is a thugish element that has taken over the anti side, they are unwilling to even allow people to have a different opinion to themselves.

If he threatened you with violence please report him to the Gardai.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

This afternoon on a friend's facebook account. I could link to his account, but i wont as i'm a wimp and don't want to antagonise him anymore. He said he was going to find out who I am and come and get me. I understand people like him are in the minority but there is a thugish element that has taken over the anti side, they are unwilling to even allow people to have a different opinion to themselves.

There's nutters everywhere.
If he was on FB then I'm sure you have his details.
Report him to the Gardai.

Andy-Pandy

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

masculinist wrote: »

Thats the most disgusting thing I have read all day

Seriously? I am not saying that all protesters are thugs, far from it. I respect peoples right to protest and repect their rights to have a view. Everytime i have voiced my opinion on water charges ive been shouted down, insulted and now threatened with violence. How could i not think there is a thuggish element to it. Id also like to add that my view comes entirely from a water conservation and environmental standpoint.

My friend deleted the fb thread so there is now know record of it. Ive taken note of who he was though.

yipeeeee

masculinist wrote: »

Thats the most disgusting thing I have read all day

Ah I think you're been a tad bit sensitive here!

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

Seriously? I am not saying that all protesters are thugs, far from it. I respect peoples right to protest and repect their rights to have a view. Everytime i have voiced my opinion on water charges ive been shouted down, insulted and now threatened with violence. How could i not think there is a thuggish element to it.

Life's tough.
You may need a thicker skin.

Edit: Just seen your edit.
If you have his details and you're seriously concerned, go to your local Garda station.
They'll contact his local station and send a car around to have a word.
Keep the name of the Garda you report it to and if there are further threats report it to the same Garda.
If this person keeps it up he'll be arrested and charged.

Satriale

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

Seriously? I am not saying that all protesters are thugs, far from it. I respect peoples right to protest and repect their rights to have a view. Everytime i have voiced my opinion on water charges ive been shouted down, insulted and now threatened with violence. How could i not think there is a thuggish element to it.

Stay off facebook, its sh1te anyway. Voice your opinion here, and we will listen to it, and duly tell you where you are going wrong;) (with absolutely no threats of violence).




By the way there are thugs on both sides of this argument, that's life such as it is, not a lot we can do about it.