**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Red Pepper

I do not want to pay for water in any way

donvito99 wrote: »

The sense of importance with you people never ceases to amaze me.

This is a very cowardly post if you are unwilling to explain.

donvito99

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Red Pepper wrote: »

This is a very cowardly post if you are unwilling to explain.

I think it's the exact opposite given the overall feelings in this thread.

Red Pepper

I do not want to pay for water in any way

donvito99 wrote: »

I think it's the exact opposite given the overall feelings in this thread.

Then Sir, you are a fraud.

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

So tell me what happened then.

I was not there myself Little CuChulainn , so i counter your Indo link !

Taken from someone who was actually there and took video footage !

Quote from said person
" These are the "dissident Republican members " throwing missiles and breaking car windows " outside coolock garda station on Wednesday night, here's my proof of the peaceful protest "

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=899261590099211

Before you even reply .........let me guess , The video was taken before it kicked off blah blah !

So do you really think the protests have been violent ?
Can you answer me a question please? Are you happy that Mr Hubert Kearns when he retired in 2013 got a whopping 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year.Is now a senior manager @IW being paid a high salary ?

Stargate

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donvito99 wrote: »

I'd have put my house on you saying that, and the kitchen sink on you not answering the question.

You didn't give me a chance now did you donvito99 !

downonthefarm

Any truth in the rumours that the private security firm of sierra will be getting a digout from the army?

Bebop

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I don't want to see the current incarnation of IW culled though.

Too much has been spent...
If it fails there will never be a v2.0
And the positive principles & benefits of a centralised authority are lost.

We are told it cannot be undone but who makes the laws? who do the politicians answer to? nothing is impossible if the will exists, if on the other hand we are ruled by pampered elite who refuse to listen to the people then we will only get more excuses why these things cannot be done

It's getting impossible to believe some of the stuff that's being claimed by Gov sources, for instance the claim that 40% of water is wasted through leaks which will cost billions to fix, does anybody know where this figure comes from? Joan Burton repeated it yesterday
It would seem to me that any water distribution grid would have lots of leaks and unless we know how much water is being used by homes & Businesses any estimate of leakages is a best a stab in the dark

How much water leaks away in the UK network? what figure would be acceptable here?

I would suggest that the 40% figure is a PR creation designed to make us swallow the idea that IW needs billions to conserve our water and is not just a bloated Quango stuffed with political cronies with gold plated salaries, Pensions and a bonus culture

Creative Juices

Bebop wrote: »

I would suggest that the 40% figure is a PR creation designed to make us swallow the idea that IW needs billions to conserve our water and is not just a bloated Quango stuffed with political cronies with gold plated salaries, Pensions and a bonus culture

That's a very good point, if homes are not already metered how could they work out the water loss to any degree of accuracy.

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

I was not there myself Little CuChulainn , so i counter your Indo link !

Taken from someone who was actually there and took video footage !

Quote from said person
" These are the "dissident Republican members " throwing missiles and breaking car windows " outside coolock garda station on Wednesday night, here's my proof of the peaceful protest "

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=899261590099211

Before you even reply .........let me guess , The video was taken before it kicked off blah blah !

So do you really think the protests have been violent ?
Can you answer me a question please? Are you happy that Mr Hubert Kearns when he retired in 2013 got a whopping 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year.Is now a senior manager @IW being paid a high salary ?

Completely avoided the whole question. Where's all the Garda violence that started it? Surely if people were videoing before it kicked off they caught the crazy Gardaí coming out and pepper spraying women with no cause.

shinzon

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Dermot O Brien GRA President on newstalk talking about the earlier incident in Santry doesn't really paint him in a good light tbh

GRA President Dermot O’Brien spoke to Jonathan Healy on Newstalk Lunchtime about the Irish Water protests.

During the interview, Mr O’Brien said it was reasonable to shove a woman out of the way and confirmed that gardaí are filming the protesters.

Jonathan Healy: “The one point I have to put to you is that, you know, we all know that a lot of people at these events have phones. There was one video that I saw the other day which appeared to show a woman being shoved by a guard and ending up on the footpath. And, you know, that kind of thing doesn’t help your cause.”

Dermot O’Brien: “No, look, people have phones, people record what’s going on. My members are used to phones and being recorded on a daily basis but you’ve to remember sometimes, incidents, they don’t get out of control, they’re within control of An Garda Síochána but they have to take control of the situation. Sometimes force has to be used. And people have to realise that. It’s an element of our job. It’s not a job that we, it’s not an element we like to have to do but it’s…

Healy: “Dermot I have to say this, it’s reasonable force rather than…”

O’Brien: “It is, totally Jonathan, reasonable force is correct.”

Healy: “And shoving some woman who was, you know, in a video I saw, she was not an elderly woman but a woman who would be in her later years being shoved, that didn’t seem…that didn’t…is that reasonable?”

O’Brien: “Well, to me, it is reasonable. The guard had to do his job, he had to remove the lady from in front of the…if it’s the same video that I think you have seen, he had to remove the lady and that was it. He has a job to do. I mean you have to..look, if this person wants to have protests, there’s ways and means of going about the protest and protests are taking all, going on all around the country. Protests can be organised in a reasonable fashion.”

Healy: “Ok. And just to finish up, do guards record protesters. There was some evidence recently that they have new little personal cameras that are on them and is that something you’re in favour of?”

O’Brien: “It’s…whether I’m in favour or not, I won’t comment. But what I’ll say is yes they are being utilised at the moment.”

Shin

and on the point of them using recording devices if there is a doubt on what protestors are showing (IE people think there edited) then why don't they show there footage itd answer that question pretty quickly TBH

Larbre34

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Creative Juices wrote: »

That's a very good point, if homes are not already metered how could they work out the water loss to any degree of accuracy.

To be fair, its a long standing estimate based on what was encountered in work carried out on mains and on the supply into premises over many years. It may be much higher than that.

The meters would make no difference to detecting loss from the trunk mains in any case, they would only show where water was being lost under a premises.

PS, less than 20% of treated water goes to private homes anyway, so conservation wise the meters are a bit of a red herring

donvito99

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Larbre34 wrote: »

To be fair, its a long standing estimate based on what was encountered in work carried out on mains and on the supply into premises over many years. It may be much higher than that.

The meters would make no difference to detecting loss from the trunk mains in any case, they would only show where water was being lost under a premises.

PS, less than 20% of treated water goes to private homes anyway, so conservation wise the meters are a bit of a red herring

The figure I had heard many years ago was 40%. IW say 41%. DCC say that 50% of Dublin pipe network is pre-1940s. But sher that can all be paid out of direct taxation, Joe...

Neamhshuntasach

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Interesting, because I know for a fact that it is true. Funny that.

So you know for a fact that there were dissident republicans or Real IRA members there infiltrating and orchestrating things? Who was there so? If this is a fact you know of it should be no problem saying names of those that were causing the trouble.

I know for a fact there was no organized or coordinated infiltration of anything due to family ties on that side of things. I know of 2 that were at the protest outside the station and they were with their families.

And for the record, i'm not involved in any protests at garda stations or installations. I actually agree with water charges in principle. Just not IW due to the nature of how it has been established. So no agenda on my side.

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Completely avoided the whole question. Where's all the Garda violence that started it? Surely if people were videoing before it kicked off they caught the crazy Gardaí coming out and pepper spraying women with no cause.

That seems to be your favorite pass time !

I ask a question . got no reply bit like IW .

donvito99

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

That seems to be your favorite pass time !

I ask a question . got no reply bit like IW .

Pot, kettle?

My name is URL

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Interesting, because I know for a fact that it is true. Funny that.

You know for a fact it's true, the Indo knows for a fact it's true, Gardai know for a fact it's true and yet nobody is able to explain why nobody has been arrested for their membership of illegal groups or for causing violence at protests :rolleyes:

What's up with that? Why have Gardai not arrested any of these supposed members of terrorist organisations when they show up and cause trouble at protests?

It's a bull**** smokescreen and an attempt to put people off protesting.

My name is URL

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

shinzon wrote: »

Healy: “Ok. And just to finish up, do guards record protesters. There was some evidence recently that they have new little personal cameras that are on them and is that something you’re in favour of?”

O’Brien: “It’s…whether I’m in favour or not, I won’t comment. But what I’ll say is yes they are being utilised at the moment.”

So he's not in favor of Gardai wearing personal cameras. What a surprise that is :pac:

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

My name is URL wrote: »

You know for a fact it's true, the Indo knows for a fact it's true, Gardai know for a fact it's true and yet nobody is able to explain why nobody has been arrested for their membership of illegal groups or for causing violence at protests :rolleyes:

What's up with that? Why have Gardai not arrested any of these supposed members of terrorist organisations when they show up and cause trouble at protests?

It's a bull**** smokescreen and an attempt to put people off protesting.

Maybe Alan Shatter had a word with the commissioner and asked him to put this rumour out?
Oh, hold on a second, Shatter was sacked, wasn't he?

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Stargate wrote: »

Can you answer me a question please? Are you happy that Mr Hubert Kearns when he retired in 2013 got a whopping 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year.Is now a senior manager @IW being paid a high salary ?

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Completely avoided the whole question..

Stargate wrote: »

That seems to be your favorite pass time !

I ask a question . got no reply bit like IW .

I'll try again .......

Are you happy that Mr Hubert Kearns when he retired in 2013 got a whopping 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year. Is now a senior manager @IW being paid a high salary ? Yes Or No ? Simple reply , simple answer please!

YES OR NO?

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Stargate wrote: »

I'll try again .......

Are you happy that Mr Hubert Kearns when he retired in 2013 got a whopping 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year. Is now a senior manager @IW being paid a high salary ? Yes Or No ? Simple reply , simple answer please!

YES OR NO?

I'll see you Hubert Kearns and raise you one Mr. David O'Connor (ex fingal county manager)
Retired in November 2013 with a €296,082.00 lump sum and a yearly pension of €73,394.00.
Have a guess where he's employed now?

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I'll see you Hubert Kearns and raise you one Mr. David O'Connor (ex fingal county manager)
Retired in November 2013 with a €296,082.00 lump sum and a yearly pension of €73,394.00.
Have a guess where he's employed now?

Indo ? , Topaz? , ...aaaaahh how many guesses do i get ?

See that's the whole problem right there !
How many litres of good clear water would these obnoxious amounts of money paid in salaries buy eh?

Creative Juices

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I'll see you Hubert Kearns and raise you one Mr. David O'Connor (ex fingal county manager)
Retired in November 2013 with a €296,082.00 lump sum and a yearly pension of €73,394.00.
Have a guess where he's employed now?

Wow. It's a retirement club.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Stargate wrote: »

Indo ? , Topaz? , ...aaaaahh how many guesses do i get ?

See that's the whole problem right there !
How many litres of good clear water would these obnoxious amounts of money paid in salaries buy eh?

Try, Irish Water..

UCDVet

When I received my packet from Irish Water and attempted to register, they required me to indicate what my source of water was / where the water went.

As someone who rents an apartment, who isn't a plumber....I can honestly say I have no clue.

I wrote to Irish Water and *four weeks later* they advised that I contact my landlord. My landlord informed me he purchased the unit with the intent of using it as a rental and had *no idea* if it was Irish Water or not.

So, yeah, Irish Water, apparently, does not know if they have installed a meter at my address or if they are servicing the entire building (it's a large apartment complex) without individual meters.

Seems awfully wrong that they couldn't tell me if they are supplying water or not. I'm not willing to accept liability for an incorrect form, so I'm just going to wait until I get a bill. And a four week turn-around time? Yikes.

What a joke

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

shinzon wrote: »

and on the point of them using recording devices if there is a doubt on what protestors are showing (IE people think there edited) then why don't they show there footage itd answer that question pretty quickly TBH

When have they ever done that? They use footage for the purpose of investigating and prosecuting, not for internet arguments with people.

Stargate wrote: »

That seems to be your favorite pass time !

I ask a question . got no reply bit like IW .

You asked a question to avoid my question. For the record, I know nothing of that Hubert fella other than what you've told me so I don't know if he is the right choice for the job. You're only beef with him seems to be that he has come out of retirement and that isn't enough to rule someone out of a job in my view.

My name is URL wrote: »

You know for a fact it's true, the Indo knows for a fact it's true, Gardai know for a fact it's true and yet nobody is able to explain why nobody has been arrested for their membership of illegal groups or for causing violence at protests :rolleyes:

What's up with that? Why have Gardai not arrested any of these supposed members of terrorist organisations when they show up and cause trouble at protests?

How do you know they haven't or are not going to?

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Stargate wrote: »

I'll try again .......

Are you happy that Mr Hubert Kearns when he retired in 2013 got a whopping 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year. Is now a senior manager @IW being paid a high salary ? Yes Or No ? Simple reply , simple answer please!

YES OR NO?

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I'll see you Hubert Kearns and raise you one Mr. David O'Connor (ex fingal county manager)
Retired in November 2013 with a €296,082.00 lump sum and a yearly pension of €73,394.00.
Have a guess where he's employed now?

Creative Juices wrote: »

Wow. It's a retirement club.

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Try, Irish Water..

I knew that Tinkersbell , just wanted to hear you say it lol , just a little louder for the benefit of others who might not know Tnx

Tinkersbell

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Stargate wrote: »

I knew that Tinkersbell , just wanted to hear you say it lol , just a little louder for the benefit of others who might not know Tnx

This type of cronyism and jobs for the boys doesn't bother the ones in favour of water tax.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Creative Juices

Tinkersbell wrote: »

This type of cronyism and jobs for the boys doesn't bother the ones in favour of water tax.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

The ones in favour usually ignore those cronyism posts...

shinzon

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

When have they ever done that? They use footage for the purpose of investigating and prosecuting, not for internet arguments with people.

well there all over the news media saying there being attacked it would help rebuild there credibility if they did show at least some video of said incidents, because at the moment there is absolutely no evidence except there saying its happening which unfortunately in these days is just not enough

Shin

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

This type of cronyism and jobs for the boys doesn't bother the ones in favour of water tax.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

The type of cronyism and ‘jobs for the boys’ that Enda Kenny so virulently condemned during the last general election by the way !