ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Tinkersbell · 07-11-2014 07:17PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Stargate wrote: »

The type of cronyism and ‘jobs for the boys’ that Enda Kenny so virulently condemned during the last general election by the way !

When Enda's mouth is moving, he's either eating or lying.

Little CuChulainn · 07-11-2014 07:17PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

shinzon wrote: »

well there all over the news media saying there being attacked it would help rebuild there credibility if they did show at least some video of said incidents, because at the moment there is absolutely no evidence except there saying its happening which unfortunately in these days is just not enough

Shin

Such is the dilemma when you have to be careful not to prejudice a jury pool before a case.

Tinkersbell · 07-11-2014 07:18PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Such is the dilemma when you have to be careful not to prejudice a jury pool before a case.

That's quite hilarious after what M. Martin and E. Kenny were at over the last couple of weeks with an alleged rape victim.

My name is URL · 07-11-2014 07:24PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

How do you know they haven't or are not going to?

Because the Indo wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to report on it if the arrests of such people were made.

Time will tell if any arrests of known terrorists will be made in connection to water protests. I won't hold my breath.

And the question remains, if Gardai are aware that members of illegal organisations have been turning up and causing trouble at protests then why haven't they already been arrested and charged?

Saying 'maybe it will happen in future' is no good. If claims are going to be made by politicians, the media and Gardai that such people are attaching themselves to protests then asking 'why no arrests' is fair enough.

Maybe these undesirables serve more purpose to the above groups if they're allowed to continue attending protests though.

If even a fraction of what has been said in a certain ongoing legal case is true, then I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Creative Juices · 07-11-2014 07:26PM

From Fine Gael's New Politics document

Fine Gael’s New Politics tackles all of these weaknesses head-on and will restore people’s trust in the political process by delivering real, tangible change. The Irish people are rightly outraged at the way in which their country has been misgoverned. However, there is a danger that this anger, if not addressed through positive reform, will lead to increasing numbers of our citizens disengaging from the democratic process. This cannot be allowed to happen.

We're not disengaging anymore, we're going to bring you muppets down.

Tinkersbell · 07-11-2014 07:28PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Creative Juices wrote: »

From Fine Gael's New Politics document

Fine Gael’s New Politics tackles all of these weaknesses head-on and will restore people’s trust in the political process by delivering real, tangible change. The Irish people are rightly outraged at the way in which their country has been misgoverned. However, there is a danger that this anger, if not addressed through positive reform, will lead to increasing numbers of our citizens disengaging from the democratic process. This cannot be allowed to happen.

We're not disengaging anymore, we're going to bring you muppets down.

More people have become disengaged from the political process since FG lied their way to office.
Who would trust a politician?

Ghost Buster · 07-11-2014 07:31PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Ugh get over yourself if that's your biggest problem in the world right now you might want to turn of the computer and get a life.

Gonna take a break from this as im getting tired of beating my head against a wall and the constant attempts to derail the discussion away from what needs to be discussed and that's paying for water be it through IW or some other mean's

Is it trying having to cohabit the earth with inferiors?

Stargate · 07-11-2014 07:34PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

When Enda's mouth is moving, he's either eating or lying.

Every picture tells a story eh?

Civil rights Enda ? What a Liar , what a load of sh1te !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_dSwiNXmC4

WakeUp · 07-11-2014 07:34PM

another fine gaeler possibly sticking their hoof into in it. or does Nora notoys have a point. hot on the heels of let them eat rainwater Mcgonigles comments I wonder how it will sit with the great unwashed. Notapenny is probably combing his hair right now deep in studious thought at the thought of it all.

Comments by former Fine Gael minister Nora Owen have caused much comment on Twitter after she questioned whether Irish Water protesters were planning to spend large amounts on toys at Christmas.
Speaking on the Newstalk ‘Breakfast’ show about research by Aviva Home Insurance into Christmas spending, Ms Owen said: “It’s interesting that this survey should come out this week when 120,000 people were marching on the streets saying they were really up against paying water charges. I’m assuming we’re talking about a different category of people who are going to be spending all this money on toys.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/nora-owen-starts-twitter-storm-with-comments-on-christmas-spending-1.1992560

gladrags · 07-11-2014 07:35PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

That's quite hilarious after what M. Martin and E. Kenny were at over the last couple of weeks with an alleged rape victim.

I was contemplating posting similar.

They have collectively insured that there will be no fair trial,for the individual involved.

They have effectively used this case,as a means to their own end.

Tinkersbell · 07-11-2014 07:37PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

WakeUp wrote: »

another fine gaeler possibly sticking their hoof into in it. or does Nora notoys have a point. hot on the heels of let them eat rainwater Mcgonigles comments I wonder how it will sit with the great unwashed. Notapenny is probably combing his hair right now deep in studious thought at the thought of it all.

Does she post on this site too.
I've seen one poster berate others who say they won't pay a water tax in the same way.

My name is URL · 07-11-2014 07:49PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

WakeUp wrote: »

another fine gaeler possibly sticking their hoof into in it. or does Nora notoys have a point.

Easy for these people to speak down to the public from the ivory towers that have been bestowed to them.

Ironically she's in charge of where hundreds of millions of taxpayers money ends up each year, so it's a bit rich for her to be worrying about how much money the plebs will be spending.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nora-owen-appointed-to-irish-aid-advisory-group-520482.html

Little CuChulainn · 07-11-2014 07:55PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Tinkersbell wrote: »

That's quite hilarious after what M. Martin and E. Kenny were at over the last couple of weeks with an alleged rape victim.

They are not Gardaí and the information they have was not gathered by the Gardaí so I'm not really sure how it's relevant.

My name is URL wrote: »

Because the Indo wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to report on it if the arrests of such people were made.

Time will tell if any arrests of known terrorists will be made in connection to water protests. I won't hold my breath.

And the question remains, if Gardai are aware that members of illegal organisations have been turning up and causing trouble at protests then why haven't they already been arrested and charged?

Saying 'maybe it will happen in future' is no good. If claims are going to be made by politicians, the media and Gardai that such people are attaching themselves to protests then asking 'why no arrests' is fair enough.

Maybe these undesirables serve more purpose to the above groups if they're allowed to continue attending protests though.

If even a fraction of what has been said in a certain ongoing legal case is true, then I wouldn't be at all surprised.

The last video posted clearly shows a Garda trying to arrest someone who hit him in the back and the crowd intervened. You don't lift people in a riot situation like that. You either subdue the crowd or follow up after. No doubt you'd have been here giving out if they had gone the first route too.

Stargate · 07-11-2014 07:56PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

My name is URL wrote: »

Easy for these people to speak down to the public from the ivory towers that have been bestowed to them.

Ironically she's in charge of where hundreds of millions of taxpayers money ends up each year, so it's a bit rich for her to be worrying about how much money the plebs will be spending.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nora-owen-appointed-to-irish-aid-advisory-group-520482.html

Jobs for boys and now jobs for .....Jesus no end to it .

masculinist · 07-11-2014 07:57PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

WakeUp wrote: »

another fine gaeler possibly sticking their hoof into in it. or does Nora notoys have a point. hot on the heels of let them eat rainwater Mcgonigles comments I wonder how it will sit with the great unwashed. Notapenny is probably combing his hair right now deep in studious thought at the thought of it all.

Comments by former Fine Gael minister Nora Owen have caused much comment on Twitter after she questioned whether Irish Water protesters were planning to spend large amounts on toys at Christmas.
Speaking on the Newstalk ‘Breakfast’ show about research by Aviva Home Insurance into Christmas spending, Ms Owen said: “It’s interesting that this survey should come out this week when 120,000 people were marching on the streets saying they were really up against paying water charges. I’m assuming we’re talking about a different category of people who are going to be spending all this money on toys.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/nora-owen-starts-twitter-storm-with-comments-on-christmas-spending-1.1992560

Nora Owen - the *cough cough* who seems to want little kids to have no toys at Christmas. I would use certain words to describe her but I dont want to be banned. Fantastic way to remember this person and which party she hails from.

Ghost Buster · 07-11-2014 07:59PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Easy for these people to speak down to the public from the ivory towers that have been bestowed to them.

Ironically she's in charge of where hundreds of millions of taxpayers money ends up each year, so it's a bit rich for her to be worrying about how much money the plebs will be spending.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nora-owen-appointed-to-irish-aid-advisory-group-520482.html

Dear serfs. Christmas is cancelled so as to keep Hubert Kearns and John Tierney in a manner befitting men of their illustrious professional background

Curly Judge · 07-11-2014 07:59PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

gladrags wrote: »

I was contemplating posting similar.

They have collectively insured that there will be no fair trial,for the individual involved.

They have effectively used this case,as a means to their own end.

What trial?
Were they not tried already and let off for some reason or other.
Is someone planning to put them on trial again?

Tinkersbell · 07-11-2014 08:08PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

They are not Gardaí and the information they have was not gathered by the Gardaí so I'm not really sure how it's relevant.

Well, it's off topic and I'm sure there's threads for it.
But to see the leaders of two political party's behave as judge, jury and executioner under Dail privilege shows them for what they really are.

_Kaiser_ · 07-11-2014 08:11PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

We really are fooked when it comes to political choices in this country...

- FF: Incompetent gombeens who will stuff every State agency they can with their mates, relatives and hangers-on. Haven't a clue how to properly run a country through and will run it into the ground trying to buy everyone off at the next General Election

- FG: Incompetent gombeens who will stuff every State agency they can with their mates, relatives and hangers-on. Haven't a clue how to properly run a country through and will run it into the ground trying to tax the fook out of everyone except their wealthy mates while selling them the family jewels. Come with added arrogance though!

- SF: Want to tax everyone who's working to fund their socialist policies. Far too much historical baggage means most people won't actually vote for them anyway and they still think that the average Southerner actually cares about "Republicanism" or "reunification" in the face of trying to keep a roof over their heads, food on the table, and finding a steady wage to do it.

- LAB/Greens/PDs: Mudguards for one of the first 2 - usually betray any supposed ideology to get their feet under the table and are annihilated at the next Election for it

- Independents/Others: One-issue candidates, often made up of cast-offs from the above. Haven't a clue how to run a country either but usually manage to hold one of the first 2 to ransom at some point.

And of course, not forgetting...

- Average Joe/Mary: Doesn't give a toss about politics or government unless it's hitting them in their pocket. About 30-40% of this lot (who bother to turn out) will consistently vote for one of the first 2 no matter what because that's what Mammy and Daddy did, or the local TD fixed the road, or pulled some strings to get them their planning permission

Finally then, there's...

- The grown-ups: Those who are sick to death of the status quo, the apathy, the corruption, waste and incompetence but are shouted down by supporters of the above (because Average Joe and Mary don't like change!) and who are either forced abroad if they can afford it/have no ties, or have to stew silently because they're vastly outnumbered by all of the above.

shinzon · 07-11-2014 08:11PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

and people still want to pay for this

By: Michael O’Farrell

Investigations Editor

THE Government cut a secret deal to guarantee 4,300 Irish Water jobs for at least 12 years at a cost of billions to the taxpayer – even though many of those jobs could be unnecessary.

The agreement – negotiated behind closed doors with unions and local authorities – was signed off by Environment Minister Phil Hogan despite independent advice that many council staff working to provide water services would not be needed beyond five years.

In a 2011 report, consultants PWC told Minister Hogan that local councils should continue providing water services – under a service level agreement with Irish Water – for an initial period of five years.

Irish Mail on Sunday – February 16, 2014.

This timeframe was proposed by PWC as a transition period to allow Irish Water ‘build and implement a “fit for purpose” organisation structure to deliver water services without the constraints of the existing local authority model’.

At the end of the transition period, significant savings were anticipated from the new streamlined Irish Water which would employ thousands fewer than the 4,300 council staff providing water services.

PWC’s advice to the minister stated that this approach was ‘most likely to deliver efficiencies earlier’ and should ‘be completed by the end of 2017 at the latest’. But, instead of sticking to this timeframe, the Government set up a forum for private negotiations in October 2012 and invited unions and local authorities to secret talks. The forum followed opposition to Irish Water’s plans from unions and local authorities.

The forum – named the Irish Water Consultative Group – was chaired by Labour Relations Commission chief executive Kieran Mulvey.

Membership included representatives of Bord Gáis’s Irish Water subsidiary, the Department of the Environment, the Local Government Management Agency and the County and City Managers Association and the relevant unions. By the time talks had ended, the five-year transition recommended by PWC had been extended to 2026. Despite the financial consequences of this decision, the Water Consultative Group did not make details of the negotiations public. ‘No they were not public. They were held in private so in that sense they were “secret”,’ a senior union official conceded.

Furthermore, no aspect of the talks was presented for debate before the Dáil. Instead, the agreement was concluded and signed on June 27, 2013. The first time the Government mentioned the 12-year guarantee was six months later – on December 3 2013 – when it published legislation setting up Irish Water.

The legislation was rushed through the Dáil and Seanad to be signed into law on Christmas Day. At one point during the guillotined debate, Fine COMMENT page 21 Gael Senator Terry Brennan asked why the transition period was specifically 12 years.

Should the initial agreement period of 12 years be reviewed so it could be a period of five or ten years?’ he asked. Responding, Junior Minister Fergus O’Dowd said ’12 years allows people to make career choices and it allows time for Uisce Éireann to bed in’.

Last month, the Economic, Social and Research Institute also criticised the plan, arguing that Irish Water only needs 1,700 employees.
If its calculations are accurate, the company will be employing 2,600 staff it does not need. The ESRI stated that these extra staff could add as much as €65 to the annual water bill for each taxpayer – or €2billion in total.

Shin

Satriale · 07-11-2014 08:15PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

WakeUp wrote: »

“It’s interesting that this survey should come out this week when 120,000 people were marching on the streets saying they were really up against paying water charges. I’m assuming we’re talking about a different category of people who are going to be spending all this money on toys.”

Who was it use to call her Nora Oinseach?

Was it Bull Island?

gladrags · 07-11-2014 08:21PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Curly Judge wrote: »

What trial?
Were they not tried already and let off for some reason or other.
Is someone planning to put them on trial again?

No one has been found guilty in a court of law.

I am referring to any possible future legal proceedings,by the individual.

I assume (could be wrong),that the individual involved is seeking justice.

It will not be realised through the media,or by political interference.

It appears the individual has become a pawn,for various interests.

Predjudice by Kenny and the media has worked against this case.

Banjo String · 07-11-2014 08:35PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Here's my take on the whole 'dissident' propaganda being spun.

Gards fed up with being Dennis OBrien and GMC Sierra's private police force.

Gards announce behind closed doors to Govt officials, that due to the strain on resources, and serious community relations between the gards and people from the mentioned areas being damaged, they will no longer be prepared to intervene in estates not wishing to be metered.

**Masterplan is hatched from Govt spin doctors**

Cue Enda being shipped into the area (the most vocal area against meters in all of dublin), protests = end result.

Garda station surrounded, some protester's pepper sprayed and manhandled.

Media propaganda about dissidents next morning. (to save face) I suspect the gards have had enough and the government have went with the dissident crap as a cover story.
If only we'd a whistle blower.

Tinkersbell · 07-11-2014 08:37PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Banjo String wrote: »

Here's my take on the whole 'dissident' propaganda being spun.

Gards fed up with being Dennis OBrien and GMC Sierra's private police force.

Gards announce behind closed doors, that due to the strain on resources, and serious community relations between the gards and people from the mentioned areas, they will no longer be prepared to intervene in estates not wishing to be metered.

Cue Enda being shipped into the area (the most vocal area against meters in all of dublin), protests = end result.

Garda station surrounded, some protester's pepper sprayed and manhandled.

Media propaganda about dissidents next morning. (to save face)
I suspect the gards have had enough and the government have went with the dissident crap as a cover story.

If only we'd a whistle blower.

We may have another one....

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/pac-taking-legal-advice-on-alleged-tax-evasion-by-politicians-1.1992236

Could this be the beginning of the end of civil war political party's in Ireland?
Eyes opening!

sammy37 · 07-11-2014 08:39PM

WakeUp wrote: »

another fine gaeler possibly sticking their hoof into in it. or does Nora notoys have a point. hot on the heels of let them eat rainwater Mcgonigles comments I wonder how it will sit with the great unwashed. Notapenny is probably combing his hair right now deep in studious thought at the thought of it all.

Comments by former Fine Gael minister Nora Owen have caused much comment on Twitter after she questioned whether Irish Water protesters were planning to spend large amounts on toys at Christmas.
Speaking on the Newstalk ‘Breakfast’ show about research by Aviva Home Insurance into Christmas spending, Ms Owen said: “It’s interesting that this survey should come out this week when 120,000 people were marching on the streets saying they were really up against paying water charges. I’m assuming we’re talking about a different category of people who are going to be spending all this money on toys.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/nora-owen-starts-twitter-storm-with-comments-on-christmas-spending-1.1992560

With every passing day i am getting sicker and sicker of irish policticians as they seem to be so far detached from what is going on outside their lavish lifestyles. As well as giving up our phones according to joan now we cant buy toys for xmas but instead hand over our hard earned money to the government so they can keep all their buddies in cushy jobs for life. Really getting to me at this stage.

tayto lover · 07-11-2014 08:40PM

AND still the cronyism continue unabated in Fine Gael -

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nora-owen-appointed-to-irish-aid-advisory-group-520482.html

mikom · 07-11-2014 08:43PM

tayto lover wrote: »

AND still the cronyism continue unabated in Fine Gael -

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nora-owen-appointed-to-irish-aid-advisory-group-520482.html

Gonna need a lot of water to wash that image out of my head........... http://media.central.ie/media/images/n/NoraOwenOct2009PicLARRYCUMMINS.jpg

Tinkersbell · 07-11-2014 08:44PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

tayto lover wrote: »

AND still the cronyism continue unabated in Fine Gael -

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nora-owen-appointed-to-irish-aid-advisory-group-520482.html

Nice cushy number that.
Heading up a group deciding how they spend €600 million of our money in foreign countries each year while they tax us to the grave back home.
How many junkets a year will she be heading on?

Creative Juices · 07-11-2014 08:56PM

tayto lover wrote: »

AND still the cronyism continue unabated in Fine Gael -

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nora-owen-appointed-to-irish-aid-advisory-group-520482.html

That breaking news is from 2011?

masculinist · 07-11-2014 08:58PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

sammy37 wrote: »

With every passing day i am getting sicker and sicker of irish policticians as they seem to be so far detached from what is going on outside their lavish lifestyles. As well as giving up our phones according to joan now we cant buy toys for xmas but instead hand over our hard earned money to the government so they can keep all their buddies in cushy jobs for life. Really getting to me at this stage.

We need to tear down this Republic and establish a Republic mark 2

On my wishlist- all existing politicians and their close relatives should be banned from government. Thats whats called affirmative action to combat their privilege. I even hate the concept of 'privilege' but this one is clear cut. Look at how many governments have been practically incestuous. All parties should be pressured to have policies against dynastic politics in the same way they have policies against sexism and racism. I may be nuts but at least I'm fair.

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ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP