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Sinn Féin the most popular party in latest poll (mod warnings in OP)

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    #212
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    twowheelsgood wrote: »
    That attributes a fairly noble interpretation to those sampled in this poll. And what you say may be the case. (I’m not sure if it has been noted on thread but Adams personal satisfaction is down quite a bit, suggesting the Cahill story is having an impact on him rather than on SF)
    Which poll are you looking at?!?!
    Adams is the most popular leader of the most popular party.


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    #213
    Dan_Solo
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    alastair wrote: »
    SF are about as socialist as Bertie was! And I don't buy their aversion to being a junior in coalition, given the choices they've made in NI.
    They're not in a coalition in NI. They're in a power-sharing government.
    Do you know anything at all about NI? You've been proven flat out wrong on everything you've spouted about the place.


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    #214
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    twowheelsgood wrote: »
    That attributes a fairly noble interpretation to those sampled in this poll. And what you say may be the case. (I’m not sure if it has been noted on thread but Adams personal satisfaction is down quite a bit, suggesting the Cahill story is having an impact on him rather than on SF)

    A less benign interpretation might be found by looking at the likes of Lowry and some FF types who it would seem, by accident or design to have reached a state where criticisms from outside only serve to galvanize rather than alienate their support.

    I genuinely do not think any criticisms levelled at Adams, valid or not, will have an impact. He seems to have acquired Bertie’s Teflon coating of 15 years ago. :)

    And just like Bertie the lies and deceit will in time be found out.


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    #215
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Which poll are you looking at?!?!
    Adams is the most popular leader of the most popular party.

    Read what I posted


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    #216
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,664 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    they have no control whatsoever on how much money they get. theres more than one party in power, and between then they decide which piece of the westminster pies goes where. they are limited by what westminister decides in the first place. I dont see how you can be justified in pinning the blame solely on SF.

    alastair wrote: »
    The government in NI have control over aspects of the economy and spending, and it's not been pretty.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29562432

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ni-executive-set-to-bust-budget-over-282m-cuts-requirement-1.1949233

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/executive-s-fiscal-dishonesty-coming-home-to-roost-agnew-1-6392227


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    #217
    Areyouwell
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    Poor old Enda must have been distraught this morning. Despite his attempts to milk events which occurred 20 years ago. Sinn Fein continues to rise in the poll and it looks like people saw it for what it was, cynical opportunism.


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    #218
    alastair
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    They're not in a coalition in NI. They're in a power-sharing government.
    The NI executive is a coalition government.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Do you know anything at all about NI? You've been proven flat out wrong on everything you've spouted about the place.
    More than you do, clearly.


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    #219
    alastair
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    maccored wrote: »
    they have no control whatsoever on how much money they get.
    Oh, they do. And they also have control over how they choose to spend their budget. How's that been wirking out?

    maccored wrote: »
    Theres more than one party in power,
    Just as there is, and will be in any future government, down here.
    maccored wrote: »
    and between then they decide which piece of the westminster pies goes where. they are limited by what westminister decides in the first place. I dont see how you can be justified in pinning the blame solely on SF.
    Who's pinning the blame on them solely? I'm just commenting on their economic record in coalition.


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    My name is URL
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    Areyouwell wrote: »
    Poor old Enda must have been distraught this morning. Despite his attempts to milk events which occurred 20 years ago. Sinn Fein continues to rise in the poll and it looks like people saw it for what it was, cynical opportunism.

    Imagine being a FG member and watching as that idiot causes party support to implode. And yet none of them have the balls to call for a heave :confused:

    People go on about the 'cult of personality' within SF.. but it's even more apparent in FG


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    #221
    twowheelsgood
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    maccored wrote: »
    they have no control whatsoever on how much money they get. theres more than one party in power, and between then they decide which piece of the westminster pies goes where. they are limited by what westminister decides in the first place.
    Yes it is true that the northern executive is financially constrained by the British exchequer. But this was even more the case with our government and the Troika.

    And you won't find too many SF supporters who temper their criticisms of the government because of this.


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    Son Of A Vidic
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Imagine being a FG member and watching as that idiot causes party support to implode. And yet none of them have the balls to call for a heave :confused:

    People go on about the 'cult of personality' within SF.. but it's even more apparent in FG

    It would indeed be a great day for Ireland if the likes of FF & FG were consigned to history. Unfortunately I think that's unlikely to happen anytime soon. But one can live in hope.


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    #223
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Imagine being a FG member and watching as that idiot causes party support to implode. And yet none of them have the balls to call for a heave :confused:

    People go on about the 'cult of personality' within SF.. but it's even more apparent in FG
    They will. When the time is right. And any potential FG leader who thinks the time is right with the predicament they are in at the moment might have balls, but certainly don't have brains.


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    #224
    alastair
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    Areyouwell wrote: »
    Poor old Enda must have been distraught this morning. Despite his attempts to milk events which occurred 20 years ago. Sinn Fein continues to rise in the poll and it looks like people saw it for what it was, cynical opportunism.

    Events that are still ongoing, today, you mean?


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    #225
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Areyouwell wrote: »
    Poor old Enda must have been distraught this morning. Despite his attempts to milk events which occurred 20 years ago. Sinn Fein continues to rise in the poll and it looks like people saw it for what it was, cynical opportunism.

    So no way the Shinners will mention 1916 next year then? :rolleyes:


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    #226
    Dan_Solo
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So no way the Shinners will mention 1916 next year then? :rolleyes:
    Some of US are quite proud of what OUR side did in 1916, so why not?


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    #227
    poteen o hooley
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    sid waddell wrote: »
    A FG/FF coalition would likely result in a situation where FG and FF then don't have enough seats to form another coalition between them at the election after next.

    It would damage FG, but FF stand to lose the most from that as they are more vulnerable to Sinn Fein taking their traditional vote.

    FF will do everything in their power to avoid going in as a junior partner to FG. You cannot underestimate the weight of tradition and historical force that permeates the mindsets of the membership of FF. Going into government as the junior partner to FG would be the ultimate humiliation for them.

    Your assertion that Sinn Fein would find it difficult to find coalition partners is in my view naive and wishful thinking.

    There is more chance of Elvis Presley flying a UFO into the Loch Ness Monster than FF going into coalition with FG on any sort of equal basis never mind junior. If you don't understand that you understand nothing and have been living in Alas in Wonderland....

    Oh Wait........


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    #228
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Some of US are quite proud of what OUR side did in 1916, so why not?

    Was replying to the poster who thinks people shouldn't "milk" events that happened 20 years ago so surely he wouldn't like to see a party "milking" something that happened 5x as long ago right?


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    #229
    Dan_Solo
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Was replying to the poster who thinks people shouldn't "milk" events that happened 20 years ago so surely he wouldn't like to see a party "milking" something that happened 5x as long ago right?
    LOL, then you missed the point completely because these polls show nobody gives a toss what happened with the IRA 20 years ago.


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    #230
    maccored
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    alastair wrote: »
    Oh, they do. And they also have control over how they choose to spend their budget. How's that been wirking out?

    so the parties in the north can dictate how much cash they need from westminster .... ?

    Thats not really true now, is it Alastair ... tut tut.
    Who's pinning the blame on them solely? I'm just commenting on their economic record in coalition.

    I dont really even need to answer this as all anyone has to do is read your posts in this and other threads.


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    #231
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    LOL, then you missed the point completely because these polls show nobody gives a toss what happened with the IRA 20 years ago.

    18 months to the next GE, plenty can happen between now and then, polls are worthless.


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    #232
    kabakuyu
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Imagine being a FG member and watching as that idiot causes party support to implode. And yet none of them have the balls to call for a heave :confused:

    People go on about the 'cult of personality' within SF.. but it's even more apparent in FG

    There is great anxiety and concern in FG at a grassroots level, Enda's juvenille taxation threat last evening has not gone down well with most, the leaders and hardcore party apparatchiks(and we all know who they are;))appear to be disconnected from the discontent that is simmering at the lower levels of the party.There are rumblings and genuine concerns over the direction the party is taking.
    The labour party is crumbling and it appears it will be every man for himself before the next GE.


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    #233
    maccored
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    our government CHOSE to put themselves under the power of the troika. that simple and repeatedly overlooked fact argues against any similarity.
    twowheelsgood wrote: »
    Yes it is true that the northern executive is financially constrained by the British exchequer. But this was even more the case with our government and the Troika.

    And you won't find too many SF supporters who temper their criticisms of the government because of this.


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    #234
    Dan_Solo
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    18 months to the next GE, plenty can happen between now and then, polls are worthless.
    As I said, I'm sure Enda has plenty more disastrous new taxes and PR flops up his sleeve between now and then... fear not SF haters!


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    Shiraz 4.99
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    This is all well & good but means nothing come election time.
    It'll all be about the economy stupid & SF come well down the class on that one.
    Noonan will have a warchest next budget and will buy the votes they need.


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    #236
    twowheelsgood
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    maccored wrote: »
    our government CHOSE to put themselves under the power of the troika. that simple and repeatedly overlooked fact argues against any similarity.
    Right. And SF CHOOSE to share power with the other parties in NI. The could have CHOSEN to keep their war going, drive out the British and re-establish the Irish republic.

    It would of course have been a fairly preposterous plan with close to zero chance of ending well. Pretty much as preposterous as us trying to re-build our economy without the Troika.

    So in reality, no choice. And thus no substantial difference.


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    #237
    Karl Stein
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    Any chance FF and FG will merge in the future?


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    #238
    michael999999
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Any chance FF and FG will merge in the future?

    I'd imagine so.

    There's always a tribunal around the corner!


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    #239
    Scofflaw
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    Civility reminder. Enough with "I know you are but what am I" playground stuff.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


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    #240
    dave ireland
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    I still think its all down to water as to who gets ware in 2016, some of the topics been brought up here are just the same politics that's been around for years just with new faces.

    When the first family walks into that court room for nun payment of water bill, in front of the world media I think Ireland will go deeper in the direction of SF and I guess there will be more independent guys by then as well.

    I don't think even some SF supports here realized how serious people view this charge.

    I most definitely agree with some post here that suggest that Ireland needs some new political party's.


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    #241
    Rightwing
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    Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »
    This is all well & good but means nothing come election time.
    It'll all be about the economy stupid & SF come well down the class on that one.
    Noonan will have a warchest next budget and will buy the votes they need.

    I'm not so sure on both counts. World economy is far from perfect, and SF realise the PS needs reform. No other party is willing to confront that.


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