New low for the Gardai? Video claims Woman refused to leave estate with sick child

Cienciano · 22-10-2014 8:31pm

Mr.Pinchy wrote: »

Why are the gardai protecting Irish water to the extent they are ? I highly doubt they would provide the amount of man hours to any other business, except shell of course.

The public have a right to protest against whatever they wamt, whether other people agree with it or not. The gardai should only get involved if crimes are being comitted, which they are not in the vast majority of cases.

It's clear the gardai are not an unbiased organisation that will uphold law and order in a neutral manner, what a disgrace.

If the protesters were protesting peacefully there would be absolutely no need for the gardai

TallGlass · 22-10-2014 8:31pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Wouldn't matter if there was a Garda station 10 yards from the incident - it's not the Gardai who are in the station who respond to calls.

Now ask yourself where the Gardai who were out on mobile duty were and what they were doing, and you'll find the answer as to why they took so long to respond. (insert doughnut joke here)

Store St Garda Station would have responded with someone on beat, Store St Garda Station is one of the busiest Police stations in Europe I was told once.

But there could have been a more urgent call, assistance etc..

Again like my post about about Killbarack, the public won't understand why there's 40 Garda in an estate and yet no one is coming down to the hit and run. It dose not look good for AGS to be able to supply high numbers of Garda for certain incidents like water meter installations and then other incidents you will be lucky to get a response with the hour.

catallus · 22-10-2014 8:34pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Hahaaaaa! You'd think, wouldn't you?

I bet there is, but you or I won't be seeing it any time soon.

You mean the cops assaulted the cameraman? And buried his body with the phone.

But then they'd have to get the taxi-driver and the ill child and his mum too!? :mad:

Bastardin' cops!

TallGlass · 22-10-2014 8:35pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Do you honestly think if the protesters were peacefully protesting at a proper distance and not harassing workers and stopping them doing their work the Gardaí would be there at all? Why exactly do you think they are there?

A group of protesters have been in court a couple of times t this stag over their tactics but they dont stop

Well that's a matter for the courts then isn't it? A heavy Garda presence is not going to stop these people breaking the law if the courts keep letting them away with it.

wow sierra · 22-10-2014 8:37pm

TallGlass wrote: »

Store St Garda Station would have responded with someone on beat, Store St Garda Station is one of the busiest Police stations in Europe I was told once.

But there could have been a more urgent call, assistance etc..

Again like my post about about Killbarack, the public won't understand why there's 40 Garda in an estate and yet no one is coming down to the hit and run. It dose not look good for AGS to be able to supply high numbers of Garda for certain incidents like water meter installations and then other incidents you will be lucky to get a response with the hour.

Gardai have to respond to orders from above - whether it's senior Gardai or Political pressure. Depending on your point of view you can blame the protestors or Garda Management/Politicians for the Gardai being in the wrong place.
Either way I don't think if should change your attitude to your local Garda on the beat.

Guy:Incognito · 22-10-2014 8:38pm

TallGlass wrote: »

Well that's a matter for the courts then isn't it? A heavy Garda presence is not going to stop these people breaking the law if the courts keep letting them away with it.

Well they don't tend to get to court in the first place without Garda involvement.........

wicklowstevo · 22-10-2014 8:41pm

too many stupid peope !!! must unfollow !!

Buona Fortuna · 22-10-2014 8:44pm

Shouldn't this go to the Politics snack bar?

hatrickpatrick · 22-10-2014 8:55pm

Anyone who knows this woman should advise her to make a complaint to GSOC (www.gardaombudsman.ie) and supply them with any relevant details, videos, pictures, etc.

For Forks Sake · 22-10-2014 8:58pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Anyone who knows this woman should advise her to make a complaint to GSOC (www.gardaombudsman.ie) and supply them with any relevant details, videos, pictures, etc.

Indeed. The full video. Rather than the conveniently edited sh1te in the OP.

donvito99 · 22-10-2014 8:59pm

My name is URL wrote: »

I'd love to know what they were doing that was so important that they couldn't respond in a timely fashion to a group of people kicking a shop door in and threatening the lives of employees on the busies street in the country.

I imagine they were attending to other responsibilities that they have, namely the detention of prisoners and other clerical duties required of them by the incident the night before where a group of people kicked in a shop door (that are carried out by civilians in other jurisdictions). Like everyone else in the public service, they're doing these duties with less people, earning less, but with even more **** to deal with.

Having to protect public works is an enormous drain on already eviscerated resources.

To Elland Back · 22-10-2014 9:13pm

At this stage, I think the people have had enough of the debacle created by Irish Water. However, many decent people might be put off protesting peacefully because they don't want to be associated with the antics of some. I would be one of those

22-10-2014 9:15pm

To Elland Back wrote: »

At this stage, I think the people have had enough of the debacle created by Irish Water. However, many decent people might be put off protesting peacefully because they don't want to be associated with the antics of some. I would be one of those

What antics?

The video in the OP shows people stood around.

To Elland Back · 22-10-2014 9:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What antics?

The video in the OP shows people stood around.

My comment was in the overall context of protesting on this issue, apologies

catallus · 22-10-2014 9:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What antics?

The video in the OP shows people stood around.

With the guy holding the camera being verbally confrontational?

"Are ye proud of yerselves? Who looks the proudest? is that what you wear that badge for?"

"Absolute fcukin' disgraces."

"There's drug dealers around here with more respect than you lot."

"Talk about the lowest of the low."

I'm actually impressed by the restraint of the police.

22-10-2014 9:32pm

catallus wrote: »

With the guy holding the camera being verbally confrontational?

"Are ye proud of yerselves? Who looks the proudest? is that what you wear that badge for?"

"Absolute fcukin' disgraces."

"There's drug dealers around here with more respect than you lot."

"Talk about the lowest of the low."

I'm actually impressed by the restraint of the police.

What part of any of those are not legitimate questions?

Apart from the swearing I think he has aright to ask questions of the guardians of the peace

ThisRegard · 22-10-2014 9:37pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What part of any of those are not legitimate questions?

You think they're questions, full stop? What kind of logic do you subscribe to?

Shakespeare's Sister · 22-10-2014 9:38pm

Mr.Pinchy wrote: »

Why are the gardai protecting Irish water to the extent they are ? I highly doubt they would provide the amount of man hours to any other business, except shell of course.

The public have a right to protest against whatever they wamt, whether other people agree with it or not. The gardai should only get involved if crimes are being comitted, which they are not in the vast majority of cases.

It's clear the gardai are not an unbiased organisation that will uphold law and order in a neutral manner, what a disgrace.

What? The guards are there because of the likelihood of people being assaulted.
People do have a right to protest - where was it suggested they don't? The guards aren't there to stop legitimate protesting. I think Irish Water is a disgrace, but protesting is not harassing and assaulting and borderline rioting.

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder would some people be singing a different tune If the story was

Gerry Adams refuses sick child access to pass to go to hospital

Why are you so confident the guards didn't allow the family of the sick child through? They're not going to stop a sick child from being brought to hospital now - come on, think critically.

wicklowstevo wrote: »

this thread and ah in general is so full of semi retarded self righteous ill informed people who think they know the law and how it apply s it really makes me worry for the irish peoples future.t

Eh... most people are critical of the video.

Rein in the outrage and just actually read what people are saying.

catallus · 22-10-2014 9:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What part of any of those are not legitimate questions?

Apart from the swearing I think he has aright to ask questions of the guardians of the peace

Are you being genuinely serious?

The one question he put to them was a sarcastically rhetorical one.

The rest are comments designed solely to rile the police.

I get that people are upset about water meters, but using it as excuse to indulge in vapid rabble-rousing against an unarmed and peaceful police force is just empty grand-standing.

Shakespeare's Sister · 22-10-2014 9:43pm

catallus wrote: »

With the guy holding the camera being verbally confrontational?

"Are ye proud of yerselves? Who looks the proudest? is that what you wear that badge for?"

"Absolute fcukin' disgraces."

"There's drug dealers around here with more respect than you lot."

"Talk about the lowest of the low."

I'm actually impressed by the restraint of the police.

People need to stop thinking that these "crusaders" who just blindly attack anyone in a position of authority, any organisation they like, are honorable people.
They are just thugs, who pick easy targets. They can't attack the money-grabber higher-ups, so they just pick whomever is handy. They're the types who'll go on a rampage about a company charging them for a service - and go on the Herald and Joe Duffy and Facebook with incoherent rambling... knowing that the company can't defend itself and know the company can't reveal the full story, and then all these goons jump on the bandwagon to support them, even though they only know one side of the story.

Bongalongherb · 22-10-2014 10:05pm

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Shouldn't this go to the Politics snack bar?

Have you any location system in your senses ? this is after hours.

Tazio · 22-10-2014 10:21pm

Gardai and sick child... I've a personal positive experience!

It was around time of the queens visit to Cork... Rush hour traffic backed up airport hill.. My little boy then two years old was in the back of my car very ill with my wife minding him..

I stopped and asked a Garda at the side of the road ( they seemed to be inspecting the route the queen would take ) if I could use the bus lane to get to A&E . He immediately radioed for a Garda escort! We flew through the backed up traffic.. When we arrived at CUH A&E the Gardai hopped out of their van and told us to leave our car outside the main entrance and not to worry.. Just get our child inside. They took our car keys to park our car!!!!! Two Gardai followed us in a few mins later with keys and to check on our small fellow and to say they parked outside and spoke with carpark security so we wouldn't get clamped etc.

They couldn't have done more to be honest.. When I said "sick child" at the side of the road they reacted instantly.. and got us to A&E in a very short period of time.

Years on and I'm still impressed and very thankful.

Sorry for the thread hijack.. but had to share my experience after reading the start of this thread...I really do find it hard to believe any Garda would stop a sick child/person getting to seek medical attention.

kinggo99 · 22-10-2014 10:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What part of any of those are not legitimate questions?

Apart from the swearing I think he has aright to ask questions of the guardians of the peace

Don't know what makes you think any guards should have to listen to someone talking to them like this,they are just getting a wage like anyone else and just because they work for the state doesn't mean to have to put with being talked to like this.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 22-10-2014 10:30pm

Should have given them the batton

wow sierra · 22-10-2014 10:36pm

Tazio wrote: »

Gardai and sick child... I've a personal positive experience!

It was around time of the queens visit to Cork... Rush hour traffic backed up airport hill.. My little boy then two years old was in the back of my car very ill with my wife minding him..

I stopped and asked a Garda at the side of the road ( they seemed to be inspecting the route the queen would take ) if I could use the bus lane to get to A&E . He immediately radioed for a Garda escort! We flew through the backed up traffic.. When we arrived at CUH A&E the Gardai hopped out of their van and told us to leave our car outside the main entrance and not to worry.. Just get our child inside. They took our car keys to park our car!!!!! Two Gardai followed us in a few mins later with keys and to check on our small fellow and to say they parked outside and spoke with carpark security so we wouldn't get clamped etc.

They couldn't have done more to be honest.. When I said "sick child" at the side of the road they reacted instantly.. and got us to A&E in a very short period of time.

Years on and I'm still impressed and very thankful.

Sorry for the thread hijack.. but had to share my experience after reading the start of this thread...I really do find it hard to believe any Garda would stop a sick child/person getting to seek medical attention.

This is the very opposite of a thread hijack - it is a true account of what Gardai do when someone really wants to get a sick child to hospital. It's an excellent response to the utter b** of the video and the OP comment on it and thread title.

Potential-Monke · 22-10-2014 11:34pm

Woah, woah, hang on, back up a second. Just a glaring omission made by the person who made the video, and those defending it.

We're led to believe that the Gardaí wouldn't let anyone in or out, and subsequently blocked a taxi taking a sick child to hospital. Right, ok. So then, how did the taxi get in there in the first place? Did it magically materialise outside the house? If so, i want to use that taxi when i'm stuck.

rtron · 22-10-2014 11:40pm

There's an awful lot of cussing in that Video

TheNog · 22-10-2014 11:49pm

My name is URL wrote: »

It took them over a half an hour to respond to this incident on the country's busiest street, so I wouldn't count on that!

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/exclusive-watch-shocking-scenes-as-violent-group-attempt-to-kick-in-shop-door-after-theft-of-kit-kats-30187602.html

In the Herald one eye witness said it was more like 15-20 minutes.

One possible reason is it happened at about 9pm which is shift change from Lates to Nights

branie2 · 23-10-2014 12:21am

Did Garda reps make a comment on this

AnonoBoy · 23-10-2014 12:32am

branie2 wrote: »

Did Garda reps make a comment on this

I doubt it. Because if they took the time to respond to all of these badly shot one-sided videos they'd get nothing else done.

If what is alleged actually went on we'll hear a lot more about it.

But I doubt we're hearing the full facts here and these people don't tend to deal in facts a lot.

New low for the Gardai? Video claims Woman refused to leave estate with sick child

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