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More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

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    #212
    funnights74
    Registered Users Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭funnights74


    Winty wrote: »
    Do you trust Mr Adams?
    He is the only person on the planet who thinks he was not in the IRA.
    The man is a lier pure and simple

    All politicians are liars, manipulators of the truth to suit their own agenda.


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    #213
    gunny558
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭gunny558


    porsche959 wrote: »
    They seem to be saying Cahill was himself a child abuser and was blackmailed by British state security.

    Cahill? As in Joe Cahill? So he was a paedo aswell? This is getting messy very fast.. :eek: Im still not sure how this has "backfired" on FF..?? If anything they're gonna love this?


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    #214
    Henlars67
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Henlars67


    gunny558 wrote: »
    Cahill? As in Joe Cahill? So he was a paedo aswell? This is getting messy very fast.. :eek: Im still not sure how this has "backfired" on FF..?? If anything they're gonna love this?

    Where has that suggestion come from?

    There is no way Cahill was a paedo, or a British agent


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    #215
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    gunny558 wrote: »
    Cahill? As in Joe Cahill? So he was a paedo aswell? This is getting messy very fast.. :eek: Im still not sure how this has "backfired" on FF..?? If anything they're gonna love this?

    Maybe Fianna fail can offer to pay the compensation on he's behalf aswell?


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    #216
    davycc
    Registered Users Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭davycc


    porsche959 wrote: »
    No, this is bigger than silly little party political games in Leinister House.

    There is a lot more going on behind the scenes than people realise. Particularly people (and I don't mean you) who rely on their news and views from the likes of the Sunday Independent.

    Thanks for the link I wasn't expecting that story at all. Never heard that tale about Joe Cahill before... was thinking it would be another government troll like Joan Bruton going on another mentalist rant with impunity.


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    #217
    gunny558
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭gunny558


    Henlars67 wrote: »
    Where has that suggestion come from?

    There is no way Cahill was a paedo, or a British agent

    And how can you be so sure..??


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    #218
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    gunny558 wrote: »
    Im still not sure how this has "backfired" on FF..?? If anything they're gonna love this?

    Maybe not on FF, more on the West Brit types that go on and on about the perfidy of the IRA but turn a blind eye to British state security recruiting paedophiles (e.g. as in Kincora and elsewhere)


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    #219
    Godge
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    Henlars67 wrote: »
    Where has that suggestion come from?

    There is no way Cahill was a paedo, or a British agent

    Who are the Mirror talking about?

    how many child sexual abusers were in the IRA?


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    #220
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Godge wrote: »
    how many child sexual abusers were in the IRA?

    How many child sexual abusers were in the UUP, DUP, UDR and of those, how many were working for M15?

    Let us know when youve researched the matter. Cheers!


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    #221
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Godge wrote: »
    Who are the Mirror talking about?

    how many child sexual abusers were in the IRA?
    Secretive, authoritarian organisation full of zealots who valued their own reputation over the people they claimed to serve.

    Probably one or two more.


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    #222
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    The full story is up, and yes, they are claiming Joe Cahill was a paedophile and was blackmailed by British state security.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ira-chief-paedophile-double-agent-4466798


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    #223
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    *** Waits for flurry of posts from the usual suspects full of righteous anger demanding M15 open the books on all the paedos they covered up for over the years - thus facilitating child abuse. ****


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    #224
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Secretive, authoritarian organisation full of zealots who valued their own reputation over the people they claimed to serve.

    Probably one or two more.

    The above is arguably equally applicable to, for example, M15. And that's not 'whataboutery'. It's just looking for consistency in addressing child abuse in society, is all.


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    #225
    Phoebas
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    porsche959 wrote: »
    The above is arguably equally applicable to, for example, M15. And that's not 'whataboutery'. It's just looking for consistency in addressing child abuse in society, is all.
    I agree and I sure hope that the relevant authorities in the UK fully investigate MI5. I definitely wouldn't want anybody in MI5 who facilitated the cover up of sexual abuse to be in a position of power in this state.


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    #226
    Godge
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    I agree and I sure hope that the relevant authorities in the UK fully investigate MI5. I definitely wouldn't want anybody in MI5 who facilitated the cover up of sexual abuse to be in a position of power in this state.


    I agree completely. No child sexual abuse should be covered up.

    MI5 should release any information they have.


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    #227
    Godge
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    Henlars67 wrote: »
    Where has that suggestion come from?

    There is no way Cahill was a paedo, or a British agent


    It seems now that SF/IRA had at least three child sexual abusers in their ranks.

    Liam Adams, Joe Cahill and Morris.

    One question that has been bothering me about Gerry Adams' statement tonight. How come Liam Adams was spared the full force of the IRA policing effort?


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    #228
    Godge
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    Pearse Doherty: "I do believe her in terms of the abuse she received".

    Such mealy-mouthed words. Half-belief.


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    #229
    duckcfc
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    All i can do is lol at the Joe Cahill story and the funny part of it all is that half the country will believe it lol.


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    #230
    duckcfc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 616 ✭✭✭duckcfc


    And another note, any other country holds its revolutionary leaders in high esteem but here in west Brit Ireland, they are dragged threw the mud with allsorts of sh1te! The Irish sure are a funny aul bunch lol


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    #231
    Godge
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    duckcfc wrote: »
    And another note, any other country holds its revolutionary leaders in high esteem but here in west Brit Ireland, they are dragged threw the mud with allsorts of sh1te! The Irish sure are a funny aul bunch lol

    Most other countries hold their religious leaders in high esteem. Our ones hid child abuse too, just like your so-called "revolutionary" leaders.


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    #232
    Yarf Yarf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭Yarf Yarf


    I believe her, but I suspect she is being used as a political pawn by people who have no interest in her wellbeing or in getting her justice, but simply in slinging mud at Sinn Fein. The people who are looking at her case as a chance to gain political leverage are incredibly exploitive too. Some very sketchy characters on both sides of this issue as far as I can see and sadly I don't imagine this woman will get what she's looking for at all from this media circus.

    I have to say, Irish politics is getting more and more tiresome all the time.


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    #233
    Henlars67
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Henlars67


    Godge wrote: »
    It seems now that SF/IRA had at least three child sexual abusers in their ranks.

    Liam Adams, Joe Cahill and Morris.

    One question that has been bothering me about Gerry Adams' statement tonight. How come Liam Adams was spared the full force of the IRA policing effort?

    There's no evidence to suggest Cahill was a paedo. A Daily Mirror anonymous source isn't going to cut it for anyone with half a brain.


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    #234
    duckcfc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 616 ✭✭✭duckcfc


    Henlars67 wrote: »
    There's no evidence to suggest Cahill was a paedo. A Daily Mirror anonymous source isn't going to cut it for anyone with half a brain.



    Right so it goes like this, the Brits owned Cahill after this abuse of 14 yr old and let him sort the arms/Semtex from Gaddafi, yeah seems legit to me lol.


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    #235
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Godge wrote: »
    It seems now that SF/IRA had at least three child sexual abusers in their ranks.

    Liam Adams, Joe Cahill and Morris.

    Everyone knows that there are paedophiles in all elements of society, everyone also knows that there were paedophiles in Irish catholic society and also at the upper echelons of UK society (peadophilia in boarding schools and the upper classes, Jimmy Savile et al, politician paedos like Cyril Smith and the ex-Tory minister that cannot be named even though everyone knows who it is, etc) the issue under discussion is whether SF covered up for them and/or dealt inappropriately with complaints that were made.

    Do try and keep up, otherwise people might think you're a moronic Sindobot.


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    #236
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    I am reading on Twitter that the Provies assassinated Jill Dando on the orders of their M15 controllers because she was about to expose Jimmy Savile and others.

    MMKAY, I think that's a conspiracy theory too far for me, much as there's something to be said for thinking outside the box!


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    #237
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Godge wrote: »
    Pearse Doherty: "I do believe her in terms of the abuse she received".

    Such mealy-mouthed words. Half-belief.

    Pearse Doherty is not the only one to give 'mealy-mouthed words' in response to questions that may implicate members of his party.




    Ah s.hit, silly me, sorry, I forgot, this is the thread were we lay into Sinn Fein and call them bad peado-protectors (and is no way connected to current polling of SF as compared to, say, FF or FG, or anything of that nature, no, not at all).


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    #238
    gunny558
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭gunny558


    porsche959 wrote: »


    Ah s.hit, silly me, sorry, I forgot, this is the thread were we lay into Sinn Fein and call them bad peado-protectors (and is no way connected to current polling of SF as compared to, say, FF or FG, or anything of that nature, no, not at all).

    Well in fairness, nobody is saying you cant talk about that stuff.... it seems one of the big issues here for people on boards is every time something bad is said about SF or GA we end up throwing links back in their face saying "look what your guy did"..... its not really a healthy debate or going to clear GA name.


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    #239
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Sir Anthony Blunt was outed as a spy by Margaret Thatcher in the House of Commons in order, it is claimed, to put manners on the senior civil service, but, notably, she did not out him as a child abuser (which he undoubtedly was).

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/16/newsid_3907000/3907233.stm


    "Now then, now then!" as a now deceased DJ was fond of remarking.

    "What do we have here?"


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    #240
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    gunny558 wrote: »
    Well in fairness, nobody is saying you cant talk about that stuff.... it seems one of the big issues here for people on boards is every time something bad is said about SF or GA we end up throwing links back in their face saying "look what your guy did"..... its not really a healthy debate or going to clear GA name.

    I'm afraid you're mistaken. I am not a 'Gerry Adams guy'. I am not even a Sinn Fein supporter (I dislike his party for various reasons, most of them too complicated to get into on here, and especially not in this thread. Basically, I think they're opportunistic, but mind you, if so, they're not necessarily any worse than FF or FG.)

    I am merely commenting on the utter craven hypocrisy of those who lay into Sinn Fein over child abuse scandals, but stay remarkably silent on issues such as, for example, scandals implicating the Irish and indeed UK establishment during the years of the Troubles (last time I checked, Sinn Fein was not in charge of governance on this isle, north or south, during the many decades that hundreds if not thousands of children were abused and neglected in STATE-RUN orphanages and care homes).

    So, while I am not an SF supporter, and don't even particularly like the party, if I see people laying into SF over alleged failings in the areas of child care, while also failing to call out other establishment parties (including one, that last time I checked,was in government for most of our history since independence) on the same issue, then, yep, I'll call those posters out on their cynicism, cheap political opportunism, hypocrisy and double standards - every time.


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    #241
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    duckcfc wrote: »
    And another note, any other country holds its revolutionary leaders in high esteem but here in west Brit Ireland, they are dragged threw the mud with allsorts of sh1te! The Irish sure are a funny aul bunch lol

    You're not serious.. Are you?
    What revolution? It was a terrorist campaign and nothing else.


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