More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

gunny558

Ok I live under a rock. I know. Ive only just read this morning about Maíria Cahill and how she was raped. And for anyone else living under that rock, basically Mairia says there was an IRA investigation into the rape during which Adams told her that abusers can be so manipulative that sometimes the victims enjoy it. Of course, Adams denies this whole thing happened.

Im not rubbishing her particular case or any other particular allegations from other people. But I sometimes wonder, Gerry Adams seems to be plagued by so much crap (even his own brother was accused of rape :rolleyes: )........ was he really that bad?

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BoJack Horseman

Great set of gnashers though.

Sunnyisland

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Great set of gnashers though.

There shergars...

Winty

Do you trust Mr Adams?
He is the only person on the planet who thinks he was not in the IRA.
The man is a lier pure and simple

Creative Juices

I actually would strongly consider voting SF #1 in 2016 for the first time ever. I would be very curious whether how they would handle power. However I will not vote for SF while Adams is leader. I like Mary Lou and Doherty but Adams is completely and utterly trustworthy. Most men with beards are the same!

VinLieger

Creative Juices wrote: »

I actually would strongly consider voting SF #1 in 2016 for the first time ever. I would be very curious whether how they would handle power. However I will not vote for SF while Adams is leader. I like Mary Lou and Doherty but Adams is completely and utterly trustworthy. Most men with beards are the same!

Voting them in out due to pure curiosity is a ridiculous attitude to take with your vote

Skid X

gunny558 wrote: »

But I sometimes wonder, Gerry Adams seems to be plagued by so much crap (even his own brother was accused of rape :rolleyes: )........ was he really that bad?

His Brother was convicted of Rape. Of his own Daughter.

Are you insinuating that the conviction was part of a conspiracy to blacken the flawless reputation of Saint Gerry :rolleyes:

gunny558

Winty wrote: »

Do you trust Mr Adams?
He is the only person on the planet who thinks he was not in the IRA.
The man is a lier pure and simple

Well he cant hardly admit to that now can he. He could end up losing his position to be replaced by someone else. How many people in SF would have the experience that he does.

SEPT 23 1989

they were psychopathic murderers why are people surprised that they were raping kids as well?

gunny558

Skid X wrote: »

His Brother was convicted of Rape. Of his own Daughter.

Are you insinuating that the conviction was part of a conspiracy to blacken the flawless reputation of Saint Gerry :rolleyes:

No that rape was fair enough... But I remember back in the early 90's there was rumours going around about a second rape..... but I never saw anyone come forward with proof thats what I was getting at.

Creative Juices

VinLieger wrote: »

Voting them in out due to pure curiosity is a ridiculous attitude to take with your vote

I never said that was my only reason but I will not vote for FG/Lab/FF for several other reasons. The question is would SF put their money where their mouth is.

Jawgap

gunny558 wrote: »

Well he cant hardly admit to that now can he. He could end up losing his position to be replaced by someone else. How many people in SF would have the experience that he does.

Indeed, given his 'experience' and our penchant for combining Justice and Defence - he could serve as a minister who covers both portfolios.

It seems he has experience with administering courts

......and Óglaigh na hÉireann

take everything

Adams has been a liability for SF for the past while. He has no credibility

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Barely There

gunny558 wrote: »

No that rape was fair enough...

WTF!?

Winty

gunny558 wrote: »

Well he cant hardly admit to that now can he. He could end up losing his position to be replaced by someone else. How many people in SF would have the experience that he does.

Martin McGuinness has told the world the truth and he has the top job in N. Ireland so why can Mr Adams the man who put the nail in Jean's coffin

gunny558

Barely There wrote: »

WTF!?

Dont start. Ya know what I meant.

gunny558

Winty wrote: »

Martin McGuinness has told the world the truth and he has the top job in N. Ireland so why can Mr Adams the man who put the nail in Jean's coffin

And do you honestly think if Adams came out tonight on televsision and admitted he was in the IRA/army councel that he'd be the next Taoiseach?

diomed

gunny558 wrote: »

Ok I live under a rock. I know. Ive only just read this morning about Maíria Cahill and how she was raped by her grandfather who was a top IRA man.

Her grand-uncle, Provisional IRA founder Joe Cahill, was not the man who allegedly raped her.

Banjo String

Winty wrote: »

Martin McGuinness has told the world the truth and he has the top job in N. Ireland so why can Mr Adams the man who put the nail in Jean's coffin

Didn't I read somewhere that he was arrested, questioned, and released without charge on that very issue.

It was round abut the time that the local elections were upon us too.

Winty

Banjo String wrote: »

Didn't I read somewhere that he was arrested, questioned, and released without charge on that very issue.

Correct, its hard for the PSNI to make a case 30 years old without the help of members of the public who have not forgot what Adams can do if you cross him.

Timberrrrrrrr

gunny558 wrote: »

And do you honestly think if Adams came out tonight on televsision and admitted he was in the IRA/army councel that he'd be the next Taoiseach?

Do you actually think he will be the next Taoiseach?

Winty

gunny558 wrote: »

And do you honestly think if Adams came out tonight on televsision and admitted he was in the IRA/army councel that he'd be the next Taoiseach?

Worked for Martin why not Gerry

realweirdo

Creative Juices wrote: »

I actually would strongly consider voting SF #1 in 2016 for the first time ever. I would be very curious whether how they would handle power. However I will not vote for SF while Adams is leader. I like Mary Lou and Doherty but Adams is completely and utterly trustworthy. Most men with beards are the same!

You're joking here right? Can never tell with you.

Sinn Fein are Sinn Fein. Many of them have murky pasts one way or another...while the newer generation still support Adams to the hilt. He aint going anywhere soon. They see politics as the continuation of a struggle by other means. Their populism might fool some.

Banjo String

Winty wrote: »

Correct, its hard for the PSNI to make a case 30 years old without the help of members of the public who have not forgot what Adams can do if you cross him.

So it was a complete waste of time even arresting him?

(in the mouth of local elections)

walshb

diomed wrote: »

Her grand-uncle, Provisional IRA founder Joe Cahill, was not the man who allegedly raped her.

I was thinking this. That initial post needs to be edited or removed pronto!

FTA69

VinLieger wrote: »

Voting them in out due to pure curiosity is a ridiculous attitude to take with your vote

It's no more ridiculous than many of the reasons given by people who vote in Irish elections i.e. 'I'm voting Fine Gael because my family always voted for them'.

To be honest about it Adams has told so many lies over the past few years I'm waiting for the moment when he categorically denies even being Gerry Adams. Luckily for him, all scandal dissipates eventually. The stuff about his niece was actually cringe-worthy such was the implausibility of his statements; like denying he knew that his paedophile brother was in Sinn Féin despite the fact he was running for the party officer board in Louth, one of the most important constituencies for SF and the place he is now TD for. Similarly he also denied that he knew Liam Adams was working in a youth centre in Beechmount in West Belfast; as if Gerry Adams' brother would go unnoticed ten minutes from SF's head office in an area where the Provos know everybody and everything.

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

It's no more ridiculous than many of the reasons given by people who vote in Irish elections i.e. 'I'm voting Fine Gael because my family always voted for them'.

To be honest about it Adams has told so many lies over the past few years I'm waiting for the moment when he categorically denies even being Gerry Adams. Luckily for him, all scandal dissipates eventually. The stuff about his niece was actually cringe-worthy such was the implausibility of his statements; like denying he knew that his paedophile brother was in Sinn Féin despite the fact he was running for the party officer board in Louth, one of the most important constituencies for SF and the place he is now TD for. Similarly he also denied that he knew Liam Adams was working in a youth centre in Beechmount in West Belfast; as if Gerry Adams' brother would go unnoticed ten minutes from SF's head office in an area where the Provos know everybody and everything.

This is why I would believe this lady in this particular instance. I see no reason for her to target him with a lie.

Henlars67

Winty wrote: »

Do you trust Mr Adams?
He is the only person on the planet who thinks he was not in the IRA.
The man is a lier pure and simple

The Gardaí, RUC, British Army MI5 etc were all trying like crazy to prove he was a member of the IRA, and not one could produce any evidence which would stand up in court.

Everyone on the planet thinking he was in the IRA doesn't prove him a liar.

FTA69

Henlars67 wrote: »

The Gardaí, RUC, British Army MI5 etc were all trying like crazy to prove he was a member of the IRA, and not one could produce any evidence which would stand up in court.

Everyone on the planet thinking he was in the IRA doesn't prove him a liar.

Spot on. It was never publically proven he was in the IRA, but you'd be a fool to believe that he wasn't.

Henlars67

FTA69 wrote: »

Spot on. It was never publically proven he was in the IRA, but you'd be a fool to believe that he wasn't.

I really couldn't care less whether he was or wasn't, and consider it to be irrelevant.

However, a lot of people seem to think that all republicans of a certain age were all members of the IRA, however several stayed entirely on the political side of the struggle; Current TD's O' Caoláin and Colreavy being examples.

Creative Juices

Henlars67 wrote: »

I really couldn't care less whether he was or wasn't, and consider it to be irrelevant.

The difference is we know he was in the IRA but we cannot understand why he wont admit it like McGuinness did. A continuous lie does not inspire admiration or trust.

Henlars67

Creative Juices wrote: »

The difference is we know he was in the IRA but we cannot understand why he wont admit it like McGuinness did. A continuous lie does not inspire admiration or trust.

Until somebody can prove he was in it then there's no grounds to label him a continuous liar

Happyman42

By dropping her case against the alleged rapist she has done her case and her chance of justice tremendous harm.
This will just become another round of hurling unproveable allegations.

Creative Juices

Henlars67 wrote: »

Until somebody can prove he was in it then there's no grounds to label him a continuous liar

Ah stop, we all know. He is a liar.

He was an IRA member and he might be liable for 2 years prison (under legislation that followed the GFA). It would be highly unlikely that Mr Adams would be prosecuted or that a judge would impose a custodial sentence.

jank

Tip of the iceberg for Adams and his cohorts in regards how many other stories of this nature are due to come out. The parallels with this story regarding the IRA/Sinn Fein and the Church are glaring. I suppose this is an appropriate time to use the Sinn Fein/IRA term. Both are like conjoined twins in this instance. No hiding this fact.

Henlars67

Creative Juices wrote: »

Ah stop, we all know. He is a liar.

He was an IRA member and he might be liable for 2 years prison (under legislation that followed the GFA). It would be highly unlikely that Mr Adams would be prosecuted or that a judge would impose a custodial sentence.

But how do you know? There's absolutely no evidence.

If there was there's no doubt he'd be prosecuted. They'd love to get him.

I like to deal in facts and evidence, not hearsay and opinions.

Villain

Creative Juices wrote: »

Ah stop, we all know. He is a liar.

I don't know he is a liar, I suspect he might be but I don't know it

maccored

what a virtuous bunch of people who can tell if someone is lying, without ever meeting or talking to him directly. amazing.

maccored

Gossip seems to be the evidence when it comes to Adams et al

Henlars67 wrote: »

But how do you know? There's absolutely no evidence.

If there was there's no doubt he'd be prosecuted. They'd love to get him.

I like to deal in facts and evidence, not hearsay and opinions.

raymon

maccored wrote: »

what a virtuous bunch of people who can tell if someone is lying, without ever meeting or talking to him directly. amazing.

Im pretty sure he is lying . Don't need to meet him

Happyman42

I know a Siobhan O'Hanlon (her cousin) is involved in this, is Ellis O'Hanlon related and involved in this too?
She is doing an awful lot of tweeting about it.

Creative Juices

Henlars67 wrote: »

But how do you know? There's absolutely no evidence.

If there was there's no doubt he'd be prosecuted. They'd love to get him.

I like to deal in facts and evidence, not hearsay and opinions.

Sure. I have done this argument before and I am tired of it, let me just be happy in my own "beliefs" so...in any case I will only vote for SF after he is gone.

Henlars67

Happyman42 wrote: »

I know a Siobhan O'Hanlon (her cousin) is involved in this, is Ellis O'Hanlon related and involved in this too?
She is doing an awful lot of tweeting about it.

Siobhan (RIP) is Eilis' sister. Their mother was Joe Cahill's sister.

Siobhán and Eilis didn't speak, even after Siobhan was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Eilis is a bitter woman with an axe to grind

maccored

he must be then, since you are 'pretty sure he is lying'. Im sure you have all the relevant facts at hand from which to make your decision (not).

raymon wrote: »

Im pretty sure he is lying . Don't need to meet him

raymon

maccored wrote: »

he must be then, since you are 'pretty sure he is lying'. Im sure you have all the relevant facts at hand from which to make your decision (not).

I listened to the woman's account. It makes sense. Adams was asked to meet her because she had been allegedly raped by a senior IRA volunteer. Adams agreed to meet her.

Adams now says that they didn't discuss the fact that she was raped.

it just doesn't add up - he is lying

Busted Flat.

Henlars67 wrote: »

Siobhan (RIP) is Eilis' sister. Their mother was Joe Cahill's sister.

Siobhán and Eilis didn't speak, even after Siobhan was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Eilis is a bitter woman with an axe to grind

I had forgotten about the O'Hanlon connection, the real picture is emerging now.

Happyman42

Henlars67 wrote: »

Siobhan (RIP) is Eilis' sister. Their mother was Joe Cahill's sister.

Siobhán and Eilis didn't speak, even after Siobhan was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Eilis is a bitter woman with an axe to grind

She seems to be very much behind Maria in this. Interesting.

FTA69

Creative Juices wrote: »

The difference is we know he was in the IRA but we cannot understand why he wont admit it like McGuinness did. A continuous lie does not inspire admiration or trust.

McGuinness was convicted of IRA membership in the early 1970s and so has to admit he was a member of it really. Adams was never convicted of membership. However, McGuinness also says he left the IRA in the mid-1970s, a story which is also pretty unlikely.

Personally, I agree with Henlars above. Whether Adams was in the IRA is largely irrelevant, it matters no more than Rabbitte's and Gilmore's associations with the Official IRA back in the 1980s.

yipeeeee

Vincent brown last night, the height of hypocrisy.

Saying the dogs in the street knew about Adams and this rape case just like the states cover up of the catholic church.

Well Vincent if the dogs in the street knew about the catholic churches abuses why didn't you as a reporter blow the lid on the whole affair?????

Henlars67

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I had forgotten about the O'Hanlon connection, the real picture is emerging now.

Siobhán, who by all accounts was hated by her sister Eilis, was a close friend of Gerry Adams.