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    #1562
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    A neutral reader would have to say that if she is a dissident republican that she has played the DUP, FG and FF to perfection. It is clear that she is a highly intelligent and articulate person and if she has been wronged then I hope she finds adequate justice and healing.
    I'm having a hard time working out what this "justice" would actually be though. The dissident republican group she is in don't recognise the Gardaí or PSNI.
    Does anybody know what she wants or expects out of all this?


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    #1563
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    Yes of course and she should receive justice through the proper channels. Why has this not happened? Why did it get so close to trial and then collapse?

    She pulled her evidence.


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    #1564
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    She refused justice through the courts for her alleged rapist.

    Just so we're clear: everyone who has ever refused to go to the police in Northern Ireland has "refused justice"?


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    #1565
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Just so we're clear: everyone who has ever refused to go to the police in Northern Ireland has "refused justice"?

    If you say so.
    I said she did.


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    #1566
    bajer101
    Registered Users Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And they would view yours as the bleatings of a dissident republican supporter and enemy of the peace process.
    "a neutral reading"... we're back to "no true Scotsman" I see.

    :shakes head. I'm a dissident republican supporter now? Jesus Christ. Do you not see what you are doing. You are now jumping on the fact that the rape victim may have been a dissident to forward your agenda. Do you not see how this undermines your argument? I actually agree with a lot of the points that have been made by your side and you have completely alienated me with your attitude. Luckily for Sinn Fein there are much cleverer people than you and Fr. Ned and the other "automatic likers" arguing their case. Cos you guys are dong them no favours at all.


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    #1567
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Just so we're clear: everyone who has ever refused to go to the police in Northern Ireland has "refused justice"?
    Well she certainly did in that instance for some as yet mysterious (and mysteriously undisclosed) reason.
    BTW she had already gone to the police. This was during the court case.


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    #1568
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Just so we're clear: everyone who has ever refused to go to the police in Northern Ireland has "refused justice"?

    Eh I think you will find that it was pursued only for the plug to be pulled at the last minute. Was always going to have a strange twist. Rabbit in the headlights moment for some people


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    #1569
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    bajer101 wrote: »
    :shakes head. I'm a dissident republican supporter now? Jesus Christ.
    Well if I'm a member of a cult for being suspicious of Cahill's motives and her supporters' agenda, yeah, sure, why not.
    Or can you only dish out and not take any?


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    #1570
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    If you say so.
    I said she did.
    Question not answered.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Well she certainly did in that instance for some as yet mysterious (and mysteriously undisclosed) reason.
    BTW she had already gone to the police. This was during the court case.
    Question not answered.
    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    Eh I think you will find that it was pursued only for the plug to be pulled at the last minute. Was always going to have a strange twist. Rabbit in the headlights moment for some people
    Question not answered.

    Quelle surprise.


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    #1571
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    bajer101 wrote: »
    Luckily for Sinn Fein there are much cleverer people than you and Fr. Ned and the other "automatic likers" arguing their case. Cos you guys are dong them no favours at all.
    And there are many many many many many many much much much much cleverer people than you out there too mate. Just about all of them by a country mile.


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    #1572
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Question not answered.

    Question not answered.

    Question not answered.

    Quelle surprise.

    Well you will have to ask a coherent question then


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    #1573
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    Well you will have to ask a coherent question then

    The question was in plain English. If you want, I can dumb it down for you.


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    #1574
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Question not answered.

    Question not answered.

    Question not answered.

    Quelle surprise.
    Couldn't handle answer.
    Couldn't handle answer.
    Couldn't handle answer.


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    #1575
    MouseTail
    Registered Users Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Well of course it is. It's at the very core of the question.

    No its not, well not for most people who have little interest in the various spats and splinter groups.
    The core question is where are the child abusers that the IRA expelled to the south? Will SF, as is their legislative duty under Children First disclose what they know?


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    #1576
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    The question was in plain English. If you want, I can dumb it down for you.
    I doubt if you could make your questions any more dumb, but go on then, fire away.


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    #1577
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    MouseTail wrote: »
    The core question is where are the child abusers that the IRA expelled to the south?
    Makes you wonder why the Taoiseach is meeting a rape victim if this case is all about pedophiles?


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    #1578
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I doubt if you could make your questions any more dumb, but go on then, fire away.

    Have you actually posted anything whatsoever to this thread that wasn't either an insult aimed at another poster or continual slut-shaming in an attempt to desperately distract unwanted attention from the woes of a party that, bizarrely, you claim not to support?


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    #1579
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Makes you wonder why the Taoiseach is meeting a rape victim if this case is all about pedophiles?

    How hard did you have to work at forgetting that the rape victim was a child when she was raped?


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    #1580
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Have you actually posted anything whatsoever to this thread that wasn't either an insult aimed at another poster or continual slut-shaming in an attempt to desperately distract unwanted attention from the woes of a party that, bizarrely, you claim not to support?
    Doesn't know what slut-shaming is. Look it up and get back to us.
    Imagines he read me say I didn't ever support SF.
    I'll play a little game with you. You quote an "insult" from me and I'll find you one at least as bad that nothing's been done about. Deal?


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    #1581
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    bajer101 wrote: »
    :shakes head. I'm a dissident republican supporter now? Jesus Christ. Do you not see what you are doing. You are now jumping on the fact that the rape victim may have been a dissident to forward your agenda. Do you not see how this undermines your argument? I actually agree with a lot of the points that have been made by your side and you have completely alienated me with your attitude. Luckily for Sinn Fein there are much cleverer people than you and Fr. Ned and the other "automatic likers" arguing their case. Cos you guys are dong them no favours at all.

    You're starting point is that she was raped, no question about it.
    This very point has not been proven.
    There is no conviction, and even though she had her alleged attacker in court, she refused to testify.
    You are now taking the word of a supposed dissident republican as Gospel.
    I'm not so sure now, even though during the week I wouldn't have questioned her allegation.


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    #1582
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    How hard did you have to work at forgetting that the rape victim was a child when she was raped?
    And yet there were no pedophila charges brought.
    I guess they must have "forgotten" to do that?


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    #1583
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Doesn't know what slut-shaming is. Look it up and get back to us.
    http://ansionnachfionn.com/2014/10/24/slut-shaming-mairia-cahill-is-not-a-republican-response/

    Believe me, I know slut-shaming when I see it - and the hundreds of posts on this and the other thread trying to heap opprobrium on a rape victim are textbook slut-shaming.

    Not that I'd expect the slut-shamer in chief to admit that that's what he's doing.
    Imagines he read me say I didn't ever support SF.
    Maybe I mixed you up with another slut-shamer who claimed repeatedly not to be a republican. There's quite the little cadre of you flinging muck at a rape victim over the past few days; I'll be honest and say that it's getting hard to tell you all apart.
    I'll play a little game with you.
    No interest in playing games with a slut-shamer, sorry.


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    #1584
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    [QUOTE=MouseTail;92765107

    The core question is where are the child abusers that the IRA expelled to the south? Will SF, as is their legislative duty under Children First disclose what they know?[/QUOTE]

    I certainly hope so.
    Child abusers should be jailed for life with no parole.
    Personally, I'd have the death sentence for anyone who rapes a child, but that's another matter.


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    #1585
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    the woes of a party that, bizarrely, you claim not to support?
    The "woes" of a party that, bizarrely, haven't lost any public support since this whole thing kicked off.


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    #1586
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And yet there were no pedophila charges brought.
    I guess they must have "forgotten" to do that?

    What exactly are pedophilia (sic) charges? Charges were brought against the rapist in question.


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    #1587
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    How hard did you have to work at forgetting that the rape victim was a child when she was raped?

    Technically and legally in the UK she wasn't.
    Jesus lads, get the facts straight before you post.


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    #1588
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    The "woes" of a party that, bizarrely, haven't lost any public support since this whole thing kicked off.

    Heh. Now there's some serious denial.


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    #1589
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    http://ansionnachfionn.com/2014/10/24/slut-shaming-mairia-cahill-is-not-a-republican-response/

    Believe me, I know slut-shaming when I see it - and the hundreds of posts on this and the other thread trying to heap opprobrium on a rape victim are textbook slut-shaming.

    Not that I'd expect the slut-shamer in chief to admit that that's what he's doing. Maybe I mixed you up with another slut-shamer who claimed repeatedly not to be a republican. There's quite the little cadre of you flinging muck at a rape victim over the past few days; I'll be honest and say that it's getting hard to tell you all apart. No interest in playing games with a slut-shamer, sorry.
    Still doesn't know what a slut-shamer is.
    Thinks if he uses the word a lot nobody will notice he's talking illogical waffle.
    Doesn't play games translates as "you got me there son..."


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    #1590
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    alastair wrote: »
    What exactly are pedophilia (sic) charges? Charges were brought against the rapist in question.
    Were charges of having sex with a minor brought or not?


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    #1591
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Technically and legally in the UK she wasn't.

    I can't stomach much more of this. She's lying about the rape, and even if she isn't, sure she was 16 so it was grand, and even if she's not lying about the rape, she's lying about everything else because Gerry says she was, and Gerry is the only politician in the history of politics who has never lied about anything.

    I don't know how some of you people can look in the mirror, frankly.


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