More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

maccored

a lot of people on this thread should read this - apologies if its been mentioned already - http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/political-point-scoring-does-a-disservice-to-mairia-cahill-293478.html

Godge

Sinn Fein running scared - refused to go on Prime Time

michael999999

Godge wrote: »

Sinn Fein running scared - refused to go on Prime Time

Oh ya. Prime Time the bastion of truth.

Remind me of the time they falsely accused the priest again!

Banjo String

I'll do some laughing if the opinion polls on Sunday actually show a gain in SF's popularity.

yipeeeee

Godge wrote: »

Sinn Fein running scared - refused to go on Prime Time

Lot of good points made that the court of law acquitted the man and the other people.

Happyman42

yipeeeee wrote: »

Lot of good points made that the court of law acquitted the man and the other people.

Those minor details don't matter around these parts.

Godge

yipeeeee wrote: »

Lot of good points made that the court of law acquitted the man and the other people.

The man looked and sounded like a member of the bishop's synod defending all those priests who weren't convicted.

Happyman42

Godge wrote: »

The man looked and sounded like a member of the bishop's synod defending all those priests who weren't convicted.

Except that he wasn't. He just talked some sense.

yipeeeee

Godge wrote: »

The man looked and sounded like a member of the bishop's synod defending all those priests who weren't convicted.

Well its the court of law.

Do we just ignore it now and go on hearsay and peoples opinions??

Dan_Solo

maccored wrote: »

a lot of people on this thread should read this - apologies if its been mentioned already - http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/political-point-scoring-does-a-disservice-to-mairia-cahill-293478.html

Does anybody think Enda meets Mairia if he doesn't get to tell the meejia about it?

porsche959

Banjo String wrote: »

I'll do some laughing if the opinion polls on Sunday actually show a gain in SF's popularity.

Doubt if it will make much difference.

Granted if SF show a decline, some media will be trumpeting it. But actually for the sake of argument SF could show a decline for reasons that have nothing to do with this controversy - they are not, as far as I can gather, to the forefront in anti-water tax protests, but the protestors, it is clear, have a huge amount of public sympathy. My sense is that the anti-establishment parties, excepting SF, could show an increase, for that reason.

Irish media are largely s.hit at reporting poll results anyway, because most Irish churnalists are lazy, and of below average IQ, and have no understanding, and don't even try to understand, elementary statistics (margins of error in polling, etc).

Dan_Solo

yipeeeee wrote: »

Well its the court of law.

Do we just ignore it now and go on hearsay and peoples opinions??

Not PEOPLE'S opinions, GODGE'S opinions. Sheesh.
He's special you see. He just says what he thinks without worrying about facts or evidence or all that boring stuff. What a maverick!

ThisRegard

michael999999 wrote: »

Oh ya. Prime Time the bastion of truth.

That's a bizarre comment considering SF refused to appear to give their version of things. Not very often do you get them refusing a spot on TV.

RandomName2

Eamondomc wrote: »

i think thats an inappropriate quote man. jesus you are talking about a murder in Gerry McCabe. No question there. Was gerry at war with you

There have been at least one poster who has gone on about people constantly "bleating" about McCabe and McConville "as if they were the only people to die".

While I understand the argument about putting things in perspective, the sentiment in this case seems (to be generous to a fault) is suspect. The same deal with people who are attempting to mount a defence by saying:

Fr. Ned wrote: »

So, you think a poster with a long history of attacking Sinn Fein on this very board is capable of having a rational discussion of this subject?

Ad hominem is fairly low down the order of strong arguments. Sure, these people are biased. I'm biased (shock, horror!). But that doesn't really disprove the point. Hell is anyone even really arguing the point? Wait... what is the point?

*checks thread title*

Ah.

Fr. Ned

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Not PEOPLE'S opinions, GODGE'S opinions. Sheesh.
He's special you see. He just says what he thinks without worrying about facts or evidence or all that boring stuff. What a maverick!

A bit like some member of a 'kangaroo court' perhaps???

Dan_Solo

Fr. Ned wrote: »

A bit like some member of a 'kangaroo court' perhaps???

Well Godge is in a right pickle with that one, because apparently a failure to convict because no evidence was provided still constitutes guilt in his eyes. So I guess he was a big fan of kangaroo courts who didn't bother with all that boring "evidence" stuff. Sheesh, life's to short for those facts and proof and crap isn't it?

RandomName2

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Well Godge is in a right pickle with that one, because apparently a failure to convict because no evidence was provided still constitutes guilt in his eyes. So I guess he was a big fan of kangaroo courts who didn't bother with all that boring "evidence" stuff. Sheesh, life's to short for those facts and proof and crap isn't it?

Ms Cahill withdrew her evidence.

Er... okay. Well I suppose that was better argument than just saying it is a political football.

But, I mean, who is discussing the trial per se?

But about the kangaroo court in question, Adams admits that the IRA "singularly ill-equipped to deal with these matters." Not that he refers to the kangaroo court specifically, which may or may not have happened, mind you. Facts and proof and all that inconvenient stuff... that is generally avoided by not saying anything.

Fr. Ned

RandomName2 wrote: »

Ms Cahill withdrew her evidence.

Er... okay. Well I suppose that was better argument than just saying it is a political football.

But, I mean, who is discussing the trial per se?

But about the kangaroo court in question, Adams admits that the IRA "singularly ill-equipped to deal with these matters." Not that he refers to the kangaroo court specifically, which may or may not have happened, mind you. Facts and proof and all that inconvenient stuff... that is generally avoided by not saying anything.

Sure maybe you could produce some evidence or proof yourself?

I think we can quite safely say now, after a few days of this on here, that people who spend their time attacking Adams regarding 'kangaroo courts' are nothing but hypocrites.
Worse than that, they're hypocrites so blinded by rage that they can't even see the depths of their own hypocrisy.
Due process goes out the door for SF when it comes to people like this.
That's a sad state of affairs.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Sometimes I reckon even if Gerry raped a woman on live Tv or shot someone there would still be a sizable number of people defending him.

It's all a bit mad and gas at the same time.

I'd love to have a crystal ball and see how the next general election goes, tensions will be running high and we could see deep divides in politics and society.

jank

Saint Gerry cannot do any wrong in many shinner bots eyes. Can you imagine him as tainasite after the next election?

nicedryturf

Why is Adams so valuable to Sinn Fein? Everytime McDonald and Tobin go on the radio to address this, they're shedding buckets of hard-fought credibility. In any other party he'd have been told to "just go". I don't think Fintin O'Toole was that far off the mark when he said this makes SF look like a cult.

raymon

nicedryturf wrote: »

Why is Adams so valuable to Sinn Fein? Everytime McDonald and Tobin go on the radio to address this, they're shedding buckets of hard-fought credibility. In any other party he'd have been told to "just go". I don't think Fintin O'Toole was that far off the mark when he said this makes SF look like a cult.

I agree . Toibin was particularly hideous on the radio the other day. Normally the guy is articulate and balanced, but was turned into an incoherent mumbling sheep. It was shocking to hear Mary Lou descend into this cesspit too.


Also on here , I see posters who I had previously respected for their balance and judgement turn into Leader defending , victim debasing robots.


Keep it up Sinn Fein. It's getting ugly

Dan_Solo

Barely There wrote: »

His spelling's always been atrocious in fairness.

Yes, Gerry Adams is indeed a bit of a colt.

Eamondomc

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Sure maybe you could produce some evidence or proof yourself?

I think we can quite safely say now, after a few days of this on here, that people who spend their time attacking Adams regarding 'kangaroo courts' are nothing but hypocrites.
Worse than that, they're hypocrites so blinded by rage that they can't even see the depths of their own hypocrisy.
Due process goes out the door for SF when it comes to people like this.
That's a sad state of affairs.

I m not talking about now but just to go back a small while and imagining sinn fein/IRA and due process all in the same sentence. The mind boggles.

crusher000

Everytime a revelation about Gerry Adams comes out I think 'he'll never survive this' and lo and behold he does. He has been investigated by every security agency North, and South of this Island and Scotland Yard, MI5 and everyone else. Even with bugging his car can't find anything on him . Why I ask ? Because they're must not be anything. If he was to be convicted on hear say he'd be a dead man along time ago.

Eamondomc

I think this football has been kicked around a lot now and the anti and pro Gerrys are no nearer to conversion to the other side. I would at the beginning of this thread have been a neutral. And without getting political in this analyses the leader of a national (international) orginasation knew of a serious sexual crime that had been committed and he failed in his duty of care towards the victim. (By his own admission) And there are people on here defending that leader. Really?????????. Are these people defending the leader or the orginisation. I think a lot of posters have to look into their conscience and reason this out. You Are doing crime victims a great disservice here.

Barely There

crusher000 wrote: »

Everytime a revelation about Gerry Adams comes out I think 'he'll never survive this' and lo and behold he does.

I know, it's wonderful.

There's always been something sinister about Adams that horrifies middle-Ireland.
Something you can't put your finger on, but you know it's there.
You can practically smell the blood on his hands.
And no matter how polished the lies, how smooth the media performances, it's still there like a rancid background stench.

I'm actually worried that SF will ditch him after these latest revelations - something no opponent of SF would want.

My only hope is that the party faithful have been so indoctrinated into the cult of the Dear Leader, they will persist with him through until 2016.

Hang on in there Gerry.

Stay strong.

Johngoose

Eamondomc wrote: »

I think this football has been kicked around a lot now and the anti and pro Gerrys are no nearer to conversion to the other side. I would at the beginning of this thread have been a neutral. And without getting political in this analyses the leader of a national (international) orginasation knew of a serious sexual crime that had been committed and he failed in his duty of care towards the victim. (By his own admission) And there are people on here defending that leader. Really?????????. Are these people defending the leader or the orginisation. I think a lot of posters have to look into their conscience and reason this out. You Are doing crime victims a great disservice here.

Sinn Fein supporters never question the leader of the party.No members of Sinn Fein have come out against Gerry.I suppose no democracy within the party.

raymon

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Almost as ugly as the kangaroo court you're partaking in right here on this thread.
It seems law and order and due process have been abandoned on boards.ie.
DISGUSTING, as a ex FG 'justice' minister would say.

Hold on a sec . I turned on my radio on the 16th at approx 130pm on the 16th and my day was going fine. 10 minutes later your leader arrived on to give an incoherent rambling interview full of lies and inconsistencies. He sounded cowardly and weak as he denied he had discussed Mairias rape at the victim of rape meeting.


It was Gerry who chose to go on the radio. Not me . Don't blame me for his dishonesty. I didn't want to hear him on my radio.


And what has this got to do with a FG justice minister , whataboutery that's what .


As I said it is looking uglier and uglier .

Timberrrrrrrr

Johngoose wrote: »

Sinn Fein supporters never question the leader of the party.No members of Sinn Fein have come out against Gerry.I suppose no democracy within the party.

The whip system is bad but apparently the dictator system works just fine