Tánaiste Moany Burton: IW protesters 'seem to have extremely expensive phones'

KomradeBishop

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yer wan talking to Joe said she and her father travel around to all the protests and they were from Edenmore, Why would they go to other places to interfere when what goes on there has nothing to do with them? they are obviously part of some crackpot commie left wing group who want everything free for themselves and everyone else paying because they are on the dole and only have time to demonstrate!


These wasters should be identified and all their benefits stopped immediately!

Jesus....I don't agree with some of the pro-protest views in the thread (it's not a 'rich vs poor' dichotomy), but advocating that people have their dole cut off, for their political views/actions - that's ridiculous and highly authoritarian/subservient.

Kermit.de.frog

But if any of these protestors are on jobseekers allowance then they are breaking the rules of their payment which says they must be actively seeking work and proving so. By protesting all day this is not really the case.

So there may actually be grounds for cuts.

KomradeBishop

TheDoctor wrote: »

Because I dont care for their fight.

I intend to work my way up myself


In life, if you want anything, do it yourself, dont expect handouts from others.

You're just highly ignorant if you assume all protestors are dole-lifers; it's a reflection on you, not them.

TheDoctor

KomradeBishop wrote: »

You're just highly ignorant if you assume all protestors are dole-lifers; it's a reflection on you, not them.

Your assumption, not mine

KomradeBishop

TheDoctor wrote: »

Because I dont care for their fight.

I intend to work my way up myself


In life, if you want anything, do it yourself, dont expect handouts from others.

No - here, in this post, you are contrasting yourself against the protestors - with you, as a person who will 'work my way up myself', and speaking of the protestors as if they 'expect handouts from others'.

Otherwise, what other rationale is there for bringing 'handouts' into it?

renegademaster

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But if any of these protestors are on jobseekers allowance then they are breaking the rules of their payment which says they must be actively seeking work and proving so. By protesting all day this is not really the case.

So there may actually be grounds for cuts.

are you for real or trolling?

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yer wan talking to Joe said she and her father travel around to all the protests and they were from Edenmore, Why would they go to other places to interfere when what goes on there has nothing to do with them? they are obviously part of some crackpot commie left wing group who want everything free for themselves and everyone else paying because they are on the dole and only have time to demonstrate!


These wasters should be identified and all their benefits stopped immediately!

so does that includ ethe thousands that go to dublin for protests are can people only protest about issues directly effecting them outside their front door now?

Laois6556 wrote: »

More people should join them in fighting for our poor.

they are

For Forks Sake

bullvine wrote: »

Serious Question. At what point of a salary are you in the 10%?

Somewhere between 100-150k per year approx : http://www.colly.tv/irelands-income-tax-distribution-chart/ I realise the charts from 2009 but if anyone has newer data I'd be interested to see it, but can't imagine theres a massive change.

Kermit.de.frog

renegademaster wrote: »

are you for real or trolling?

They are breaking the rule of their jobseekers allowance. Instead of dicking around harassing ordinary people and workers they are suppose to be looking for work. Simple.

TheDoctor

KomradeBishop wrote: »

No - here, in this post, you are contrasting yourself against the protestors - with you, as a person who will 'work my way up myself', and speaking of the protestors as if they 'expect handouts from others'.

Otherwise, what other rationale is there for bringing 'handouts' into it?

It's always been my motto, if you want anything in life do it yourself.

Dont expect other people to give you a leg up

renegademaster

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Somewhere between 100-150k per year approx : http://www.colly.tv/irelands-income-tax-distribution-chart/ I realise the charts from 2009 but if anyone has newer data I'd be interested to see it, but can't imagine theres a massive change.

bless some peoples never ending optimism :pac:

Johnny D. Mudd

TheDoctor wrote: »

It's always been my motto, if you want anything in life do it yourself.

Dont expect other people to give you a leg up

So easy to criticise the spongers when you're not a part of the working class.

TheDoctor

Johnny D. Mudd wrote: »

So easy to criticise the spongers when you're not a part of the working class.

I wouldn't know, I would be very much part of the working class.

For Forks Sake

renegademaster wrote: »

bless some peoples never ending optimism :pac:

Go on then, show us some figures.....

suicide_circus

Laois6556 wrote: »

More people should join them in fighting for our poor.

Will our poor be happy when only the top 1% are taxed, the state is no longer capable if making repayments, is cut off from international credit markets and their dole is stopped?

Young Blood

Laois6556 wrote: »

And this fella. Look at them, openly mocking.

He must be doing well. His attitude sums up the right wing dismissive attitude of this government.

They probably have internet connections aswel.

kneemos

_Brian wrote: »

Her angle is all wrong in tarnishing these people for protesting. It's their right to do so, as long as it's peaceful and they done interfere with the installation of te meters and the lads just doing an honest days work.

While I agree they can protest I think they are wrong.
Paying dr water and sewage is part of a strategy to have a proper taxation system in the country. Were still borrowing something like €6bn a year to fund the state and it has to be taken in somewhere. Plus water is a resource that costs to process and provide and it needs a monetary value to get people to be careful with it's usage.
While I agree with paying for water the formation of IW is wrong and the welsh model would have better suited.

Fit the protestors better to get work and contribute more to the state. Ironically they cry foul that there is no work and yet near the capital and other major cities there is endless factory work both skilled and unskilled. Endless folk from the rural areas drive daily to these cities and towns to work while the local "protestors" seem unable to get up of their asses and do it. The RTE cameras and the thought of having to contribute to the state rather than draw from it seems a bigger attraction To them.

I'd agree they're going to need the money either way and it might as well be through direct taxation,but this IW looks like a fiasco from the start,vastly overstaffed,overpaid and god knows when it'll actually start to make money.

KomradeBishop

Meh - people need to forget about the 'poor vs rich' and 'working class vs upper class' stuff, as that narrative just turns people away, when you (inevitably wrongly) start stereotyping people as being from a different class (it's just as ignorant as stereotyping protestors as dole-lifers).

Idbatterim

her assertion is 100% correct... No money this, no money that, while using the latest I phones or galaxy. The levels and benefits here are simply too high for those who have never contributed, have no mortgage, child care costs, work related expenses etc...

They can stick their protesting up their backside, couples on middle incomes,(say 50k each, are paying E271 per week at the marginal rate of tax alone i.e. the expected charge for a family of four and getting nothing in return!

Dont forget the holiday away and every Saturday night in the pub

expect this is sarcasm, but yes you are absolutely correct about there being no shortage of money to spend on alcohol, the bookies etc and other such essentials, that the dole is intended for. I think one of the issues here is, those on welfare do feel shafted, as they have no basis of comparison, well take a look what benefits are "doled" out in other EU counties, might change your perspective!

Its about time this charge came in or maybe they should increase the marginal rate on the "rich" earning over E32,800 (coming out with E26,613 and living the high life)...

TheDoctor

Idbatterim wrote: »

her assertion is 100% correct... No money this, no money that, while using the latest I phones or galaxy. The levels and benefits here are simply too high for those who have never contributed, have no mortgage, child care costs, work related expenses etc...

They can stick their protesting up their backside, couples on middle incomes,(say 50k each, are paying E271 per week at the marginal rate of tax alone i.e. the expected charge for a family of four and getting nothing in return!

Dont forget the holiday away and every Saturday night in the pub

Jamiekelly

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yer wan talking to Joe said she and her father travel around to all the protests and they were from Edenmore, Why would they go to other places to interfere when what goes on there has nothing to do with them? they are obviously part of some crackpot commie left wing group who want everything free for themselves and everyone else paying because they are on the dole and only have time to demonstrate!


These wasters should be identified and all their benefits stopped immediately!

I don't like what those people are protesting for. How can we stop it?

Oh yeah, facism. That's always a tried and tested fix to free speech.

Someones been studying their Mein Kampf I see.

porsche959

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They are breaking the rule of their jobseekers allowance. Instead of dicking around harassing ordinary people and workers they are suppose to be looking for work. Simple.

I'm pretty sure you're trolling, but I'm also pretty sure that there's that says nowhere that states:

(1) Jobseeker allowance claimants have to spend all day looking for a job
(2) Engaging in protests during working hours disqualifies one from claiming the allowance.

These protestors (once they are not engaging in violence, if so I condemn it) are actually doing a public service to those too busy to join the protests due to work commitments.

They are, quite literally, doing their patriotic duty, while champagne socialist Burton and her dwindling bunch of supporters sneer and continue to tear up our constitution and sovereignty.

Barely There

Laois6556 wrote: »

And this fella. Look at them, openly mocking. Anyone with decency must support our poor, join the protests.

I'm afraid you misunderstand me.
I'm mocking you, not the poor.

suicide_circus

Idbatterim wrote: »

her assertion is 100% correct... No money this, no money that, while using the latest I phones or galaxy. The levels and benefits here are simply too high for those who have never contributed, have no mortgage, child care costs, work related expenses etc...

They can stick their protesting up their backside, couples on middle incomes,(say 50k each, are paying E271 per week at the marginal rate of tax alone i.e. the expected charge for a family of four and getting nothing in return!

Not to mention the fact that they clearly arent "job seeking" while protesting week in week out

For Forks Sake

Jamiekelly wrote: »

I don't like what those people are protesting for. How can we stop it?

Oh yeah, facism. That's always a tried and tested fix to free speech.

Someones been studying their Mein Kampf I see.

It's a bit early in the day to be Godwinning threads.

BoJack Horseman

porsche959 wrote: »

They are, quite literally, doing their patriotic duty,

Were these patriots failing in their duty at the rather muted response to the VAT rise to 23%, which cost people far far more than IW will?

Kermit.de.frog

porsche959 wrote: »

They are, quite literally, doing their patriotic duty, while champagne socialist Burton and her dwindling bunch of supporters sneer and continue to tear up our constitution and sovereignty.

Utter nonsense. What did you think this country was going to have to do after it was busted?

What did people think was going to have to happen?

It's the usual evasive nonsense - silly sound bites about how unfair everything is and how no one should take responsibility for the mess this country was in other than Fianna Fáil and a handful of people with money.

It's begrudgery, denial and complete delusion for people to say the steps taken were not needed.

Generic Dreadhead

TheDoctor wrote: »

Oh no, have they set a date?

Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men...

TheDoctor

Cormac... wrote: »

Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men...

They all got shot in the end if I remember correctly

Kermit.de.frog

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Were these patriots failing in their duty at the rather muted response to the VAT rise to 23%, which cost people far far more than IW will?

Honestly I doubt most of them had the brain power to notice something like that.

greilly123

Did she answer the question or did she just go on that rant?