Tánaiste Moany Burton: IW protesters 'seem to have extremely expensive phones'

renegademaster

Tánaiste Joan Burton has questioned how protestors objecting to water meters on the grounds of ability to pay can have video equipment that would "put Hollywood in the ha'penny place".


The Labour Party leader was quizzed in the Dáil about a number of protests which have resulted in arrests, and whether it was appropriate use of Garda resources.


She expressed her surprise at the standard of equipment protestors have. "All of the protesters that I have seen before seem to have extremely expensive phones, tablets, video cameras," she said.
"There has been the most extensive filming in relation to any of these actions that I have ever seen anywhere.


"Hollywood would be in the ha'penny place compared to what's done here."



personally i think this woman is way out of line here, i've seen those videos, most of them and i haven't seen one truely expensive piece of camera equipment amongst the protestors, unless you count the RTE cameraman that was around the other day, took footage and never showed it anywhere!



she's doing her best now to try tarnish the protestors in the lead up to saturdays march with buses coming from all over Ireland to show the government and those on the fence that there's a rising tide of people going to stop the installation of meters across the country and it's growing everyday, despite and in some cases directly because of the garda crackdowns and all the government spin/propaganda fcukin lies!! :pac:



moany auld tramp is all she is in my opinion and she can get it out of her head if she thinks the country are going to elect her as president a few years from now!!


this government deserve to be told to fcuk off out of it now and we elect a new crowd in asap, one that has an almost tangible fear of doing the wrong thing by the people and who may then actually stand up for us all instead of selling us all out!

c_man

Typical Labour attitude tbh. How dare the proles have nice things! Leave the politics to the champagne socialists and know your place.

Banjo String

I bet she wrote her speech from the comfort of her leathered interior, chauffeured driven Audi.

Paid for by tax payers money........

**SNAP**

Gatling

So no Christmas bonus and idiots with smart phones are getting all upset .

Joans' s having a cracking week

Chocolate Lions

The peasants can afford mass produced, highly popular consumer items. Right...

And the inference is that they then have money to give. As in, instead of meeting bare minimum living requirements of the modern age people should opt for abject poverty.
The woman would only be appeased then if the protesters had holes in their shoes and communicated with the one deranged communal carrier pigeon. But then they'd be tramps and you could easily ignore them.

I'm in ranting form I think...

Harry Palmr

She's right to wonder why people are not recording these events with slate and chalk.

Kermit.de.frog

Would these people not be better off spending such an amount of time actually looking for work instead of protesting?

Augmerson

Labour are the new Greens. Will lose all seats next GE. And rightly so. Burton is such a massive bint.

Gatling

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would these people not be better off spending such an amount of time actually looking for work instead of protesting?

Why it's easier to sit in a hole all day

Laois6556

This country is split, the rich and the poor. The rich think they have it tough and look down on the poor as lazy scroungers. The rich don't realise how easy they have it, the poor are rising together. They wont be putting up with the crap for much longer.

BoJack Horseman

Laois6556 wrote: »

This country is split, the rich and the poor. The rich think they have it tough and look down on the poor as lazy scroungers. The rich don't realise how easy they have it, the poor are rising together. They wont be putting up with the crap for much longer.

Outside of a communist pamphlet, no, that isn't happening.

Barely There

Laois6556 wrote: »

This country is split, the rich and the poor. The rich think they have it tough and look down on the poor as lazy scroungers. The rich don't realise how easy they have it, the poor are rising together. They wont be putting up with the crap for much longer.

Oh No!

What are they going to do?

Laois6556

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Outside of a communist pamphlet, no, that isn't happening.

What has what I said got to do with communism? These protests are only the start. The rich will try to degrade and sully the name of protesters, kinda like this fella just did.

Gatling

Most people don't seem to realise the top 10% earners in this country pay the majority of the tax pot .
Unlike the protestors sitting in holes all day .
Who are more than happy to sit there give me give me give

TheDoctor

Laois6556 wrote: »

This country is split, the rich and the poor. The rich think they have it tough and look down on the poor as lazy scroungers. The rich don't realise how easy they have it, the poor are rising together. They wont be putting up with the crap for much longer.

Oh no, have they set a date?

Laois6556

Barely There wrote: »

Oh No!

What are they going to do?

And this fella. Look at them, openly mocking. Anyone with decency must support our poor, join the protests.

shruikan2553

They have clothes to. Surely they can wear rags and use the extra money to pay taxes.

Laois6556

Gatling wrote: »

Most people don't seem to realise the top 10% earners in this country pay the majority of the tax pot .
Unlike the protestors sitting in holes all day .
Who are more than happy to sit there give me give me give

Just as I said, the rich are looking down their noses at the poor and treat them like filth on their armani shoes.

Gatling

Laois6556 wrote: »

Just as I said, the rich are looking down their noses at the poor and treat them like filth on their armani shoes.

Really really really

bullvine

Gatling wrote: »

Most people don't seem to realise the top 10% earners in this country pay the majority of the tax pot .
Unlike the protestors sitting in holes all day .
Who are more than happy to sit there give me give me give

Serious Question. At what point of a salary are you in the 10%?

Laois6556

TheDoctor wrote: »

Oh no, have they set a date?

And another rich person comes along to mock, basically confirming my point is correct.

renegademaster

Banjo String wrote: »

I bet she wrote her speech from the comfort of her leathered interior, chauffeured driven Audi.

you know well she did, with her advisors and legal council around her, every phonic delivered completely rehearsed to give maximum effect!

Gatling wrote: »

So no Christmas bonus and idiots with smart phones are getting all upset .

Joans' s having a cracking week

she's on form now alright, she's got the joe duffy crowd all anti protestors right now!

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would these people not be better off spending such an amount of time actually looking for work instead of protesting?

ya, get out there and grab an internship so you can barely scrap enough to cover all these bills and taxes!!

Augmerson wrote: »

Labour are the new Greens. Will lose all seats next GE. And rightly so. Burton is such a massive bint.

they deserve to be ran out of leinster house today!! **** waiting til mar/apr 2016 and let them have another full term pension!

Laois6556

Gatling wrote: »

Really really really

Yes.

TheDoctor

Laois6556 wrote: »

And another rich person comes along to mock, basically confirming my point is correct.

Yep on my 24.5K a year salary. Renting in Dublin.

"Rich"

Hoop66

bullvine wrote: »

Serious Question. At what point of a salary are you in the 10%?

If you have to ask...

caolfx

I've received phones and other gadgets as birthday and Christmas presents....I've never had anyone pay my taxes for me though...

Laois6556

TheDoctor wrote: »

Yep on my 24.5K a year salary.

"Rich"

You must be a crap doctor then but why attack the poor? Why not join them in their fight?

foggy_lad

Yer wan talking to Joe said she and her father travel around to all the protests and they were from Edenmore, Why would they go to other places to interfere when what goes on there has nothing to do with them? they are obviously part of some crackpot commie left wing group who want everything free for themselves and everyone else paying because they are on the dole and only have time to demonstrate!


These wasters should be identified and all their benefits stopped immediately!

_Brian

Her angle is all wrong in tarnishing these people for protesting. It's their right to do so, as long as it's peaceful and they done interfere with the installation of te meters and the lads just doing an honest days work.

While I agree they can protest I think they are wrong.
Paying dr water and sewage is part of a strategy to have a proper taxation system in the country. Were still borrowing something like €6bn a year to fund the state and it has to be taken in somewhere. Plus water is a resource that costs to process and provide and it needs a monetary value to get people to be careful with it's usage.
While I agree with paying for water the formation of IW is wrong and the welsh model would have better suited.

Fit the protestors better to get work and contribute more to the state. Ironically they cry foul that there is no work and yet near the capital and other major cities there is endless factory work both skilled and unskilled. Endless folk from the rural areas drive daily to these cities and towns to work while the local "protestors" seem unable to get up of their asses and do it. The RTE cameras and the thought of having to contribute to the state rather than draw from it seems a bigger attraction To them.

Laois6556

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yer wan talking to Joe said she and her father travel around to all the protests and they were from Edenmore, Why would they go to other places to interfere when what goes on there has nothing to do with them? they are obviously part of some crackpot commie left wing group who want everything free for themselves and everyone else paying because they are on the dole and only have time to demonstrate!


These wasters should be identified and all their benefits stopped immediately!

More people should join them in fighting for our poor.

TheDoctor

Laois6556 wrote: »

You must be a crap doctor then but why attack the poor? Why not join them in their fight?

Because I dont care for their fight.

I intend to work my way up myself


In life, if you want anything, do it yourself, dont expect handouts from others.

KomradeBishop

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yer wan talking to Joe said she and her father travel around to all the protests and they were from Edenmore, Why would they go to other places to interfere when what goes on there has nothing to do with them? they are obviously part of some crackpot commie left wing group who want everything free for themselves and everyone else paying because they are on the dole and only have time to demonstrate!


These wasters should be identified and all their benefits stopped immediately!

Jesus....I don't agree with some of the pro-protest views in the thread (it's not a 'rich vs poor' dichotomy), but advocating that people have their dole cut off, for their political views/actions - that's ridiculous and highly authoritarian/subservient.

Kermit.de.frog

But if any of these protestors are on jobseekers allowance then they are breaking the rules of their payment which says they must be actively seeking work and proving so. By protesting all day this is not really the case.

So there may actually be grounds for cuts.

KomradeBishop

TheDoctor wrote: »

Because I dont care for their fight.

I intend to work my way up myself


In life, if you want anything, do it yourself, dont expect handouts from others.

You're just highly ignorant if you assume all protestors are dole-lifers; it's a reflection on you, not them.

TheDoctor

KomradeBishop wrote: »

You're just highly ignorant if you assume all protestors are dole-lifers; it's a reflection on you, not them.

Your assumption, not mine

KomradeBishop

TheDoctor wrote: »

Because I dont care for their fight.

I intend to work my way up myself


In life, if you want anything, do it yourself, dont expect handouts from others.

No - here, in this post, you are contrasting yourself against the protestors - with you, as a person who will 'work my way up myself', and speaking of the protestors as if they 'expect handouts from others'.

Otherwise, what other rationale is there for bringing 'handouts' into it?

renegademaster

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But if any of these protestors are on jobseekers allowance then they are breaking the rules of their payment which says they must be actively seeking work and proving so. By protesting all day this is not really the case.

So there may actually be grounds for cuts.

are you for real or trolling?

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yer wan talking to Joe said she and her father travel around to all the protests and they were from Edenmore, Why would they go to other places to interfere when what goes on there has nothing to do with them? they are obviously part of some crackpot commie left wing group who want everything free for themselves and everyone else paying because they are on the dole and only have time to demonstrate!


These wasters should be identified and all their benefits stopped immediately!

so does that includ ethe thousands that go to dublin for protests are can people only protest about issues directly effecting them outside their front door now?

Laois6556 wrote: »

More people should join them in fighting for our poor.

they are

For Forks Sake

bullvine wrote: »

Serious Question. At what point of a salary are you in the 10%?

Somewhere between 100-150k per year approx : http://www.colly.tv/irelands-income-tax-distribution-chart/ I realise the charts from 2009 but if anyone has newer data I'd be interested to see it, but can't imagine theres a massive change.

Kermit.de.frog

renegademaster wrote: »

are you for real or trolling?

They are breaking the rule of their jobseekers allowance. Instead of dicking around harassing ordinary people and workers they are suppose to be looking for work. Simple.

TheDoctor

KomradeBishop wrote: »

No - here, in this post, you are contrasting yourself against the protestors - with you, as a person who will 'work my way up myself', and speaking of the protestors as if they 'expect handouts from others'.

Otherwise, what other rationale is there for bringing 'handouts' into it?

It's always been my motto, if you want anything in life do it yourself.

Dont expect other people to give you a leg up

renegademaster

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Somewhere between 100-150k per year approx : http://www.colly.tv/irelands-income-tax-distribution-chart/ I realise the charts from 2009 but if anyone has newer data I'd be interested to see it, but can't imagine theres a massive change.

bless some peoples never ending optimism :pac:

Johnny D. Mudd

TheDoctor wrote: »

It's always been my motto, if you want anything in life do it yourself.

Dont expect other people to give you a leg up

So easy to criticise the spongers when you're not a part of the working class.

TheDoctor

Johnny D. Mudd wrote: »

So easy to criticise the spongers when you're not a part of the working class.

I wouldn't know, I would be very much part of the working class.

For Forks Sake

renegademaster wrote: »

bless some peoples never ending optimism :pac:

Go on then, show us some figures.....

suicide_circus

Laois6556 wrote: »

More people should join them in fighting for our poor.

Will our poor be happy when only the top 1% are taxed, the state is no longer capable if making repayments, is cut off from international credit markets and their dole is stopped?

Young Blood

Laois6556 wrote: »

And this fella. Look at them, openly mocking.

He must be doing well. His attitude sums up the right wing dismissive attitude of this government.

They probably have internet connections aswel.

kneemos

_Brian wrote: »

Her angle is all wrong in tarnishing these people for protesting. It's their right to do so, as long as it's peaceful and they done interfere with the installation of te meters and the lads just doing an honest days work.

While I agree they can protest I think they are wrong.
Paying dr water and sewage is part of a strategy to have a proper taxation system in the country. Were still borrowing something like €6bn a year to fund the state and it has to be taken in somewhere. Plus water is a resource that costs to process and provide and it needs a monetary value to get people to be careful with it's usage.
While I agree with paying for water the formation of IW is wrong and the welsh model would have better suited.

Fit the protestors better to get work and contribute more to the state. Ironically they cry foul that there is no work and yet near the capital and other major cities there is endless factory work both skilled and unskilled. Endless folk from the rural areas drive daily to these cities and towns to work while the local "protestors" seem unable to get up of their asses and do it. The RTE cameras and the thought of having to contribute to the state rather than draw from it seems a bigger attraction To them.

I'd agree they're going to need the money either way and it might as well be through direct taxation,but this IW looks like a fiasco from the start,vastly overstaffed,overpaid and god knows when it'll actually start to make money.

KomradeBishop

Meh - people need to forget about the 'poor vs rich' and 'working class vs upper class' stuff, as that narrative just turns people away, when you (inevitably wrongly) start stereotyping people as being from a different class (it's just as ignorant as stereotyping protestors as dole-lifers).

Idbatterim

her assertion is 100% correct... No money this, no money that, while using the latest I phones or galaxy. The levels and benefits here are simply too high for those who have never contributed, have no mortgage, child care costs, work related expenses etc...

They can stick their protesting up their backside, couples on middle incomes,(say 50k each, are paying E271 per week at the marginal rate of tax alone i.e. the expected charge for a family of four and getting nothing in return!

Dont forget the holiday away and every Saturday night in the pub

expect this is sarcasm, but yes you are absolutely correct about there being no shortage of money to spend on alcohol, the bookies etc and other such essentials, that the dole is intended for. I think one of the issues here is, those on welfare do feel shafted, as they have no basis of comparison, well take a look what benefits are "doled" out in other EU counties, might change your perspective!

Its about time this charge came in or maybe they should increase the marginal rate on the "rich" earning over E32,800 (coming out with E26,613 and living the high life)...

TheDoctor

Idbatterim wrote: »

her assertion is 100% correct... No money this, no money that, while using the latest I phones or galaxy. The levels and benefits here are simply too high for those who have never contributed, have no mortgage, child care costs, work related expenses etc...

They can stick their protesting up their backside, couples on middle incomes,(say 50k each, are paying E271 per week at the marginal rate of tax alone i.e. the expected charge for a family of four and getting nothing in return!

Dont forget the holiday away and every Saturday night in the pub

Jamiekelly

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yer wan talking to Joe said she and her father travel around to all the protests and they were from Edenmore, Why would they go to other places to interfere when what goes on there has nothing to do with them? they are obviously part of some crackpot commie left wing group who want everything free for themselves and everyone else paying because they are on the dole and only have time to demonstrate!


These wasters should be identified and all their benefits stopped immediately!

I don't like what those people are protesting for. How can we stop it?

Oh yeah, facism. That's always a tried and tested fix to free speech.

Someones been studying their Mein Kampf I see.