National Hunt 14/15 thread

Gregk961

I cant understand how people seem to view simonsig as some sort of superhorse that can win in any conditions over any distance. If he runs at all this year id be applauding him scraping home in any race never mind the king george and Champion chase

Harry Angstrom

Gregk961 wrote: »

I cant understand how people seem to view simonsig as some sort of superhorse that can win in any conditions over any distance. If he runs at all this year id be applauding him scraping home in any race never mind the king george and Champion chase

He's as big as 12/1 now for the King George. That tells its own story, considering he was a 4/1 shot a few weeks ago.

Mountainlad

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

This season's QM Champion Chase will be one of the most open in recent times. There'll be no Sprinter Sacre and no Sire De Grugy. Don't believe anything that comes from the mouths of Henderson and Moore in the meantime.

With the volume of chasers Mullins has this year, would he not consider one of the more prominent ones to run in this given the openness and prize money involved?

madmoose

Anybody know how rathvinden is getting on?

redzerdrog

madmoose wrote: »

Anybody know how rathvinden is getting on?

I think he is injured not certain though

shy-tall-knight

Mountainlad wrote: »

With the volume of chasers Mullins has this year, would he not consider one of the more prominent ones to run in this given the openness and prize money involved?

Ballycasey entered in the Dial-A-Bet at Christmas. Looked a non-stayer last year so will be interesting to see if he has the gears for 2miles.
He's only 7/1 with Paddy Power for the QM which is probably the worst ante-post price I've ever seen.

Dr. Bre

un de sceaux maybe running this weekend http://www.attheraces.com/article.aspx?hlid=550139&lid=&raceid=&title=Sceaux+in+Haydock+frame&ref=PA+Racing+Feed&nav=&sub=&day=Mon

Shemale

Gregk961 wrote: »

I cant understand how people seem to view simonsig as some sort of superhorse that can win in any conditions over any distance. If he runs at all this year id be applauding him scraping home in any race never mind the king george and Champion chase

You should watch his races and then you will understand.:cool:

He is a complete tool, had him backed to beat Sprinter before both were sidelined

Shemale

More blah blah blah from David Pipe:

http://www.attheraces.com/article.aspx?hlid=550153&lid=&raceid=&title=Pipe+bowled+over+by+Palace&ref=PA+Racing+Feed&nav=&sub=&day=Tue

Listen up David everyone knows you and Tom will have him ****ed for life starting with an epic fail at Chelentham

jimjamcos

Flemenstar back cantering and may make the track by February. Also, anyone else notice how tight Paddy Power are on almost every single Mullins horse antepost? I know it's always been bad but some of the prices at the moment are a joke!

Arctic89

jimjamcos wrote: »

Flemenstar back cantering and may make the track by February. Also, anyone else notice how tight Paddy Power are on almost every single Mullins horse antepost? I know it's always been bad but some of the prices at the moment are a joke!

Is Curran training him himself now? Can't see that ending well.

jimjamcos

Arctic89 wrote: »

Is Curran training him himself now? Can't see that ending well.

That's what I was wondering too. Way the article is worded would kind of suggest so. No mention of Martin at all. If it's the case, I'd agree, will be a disaster.

ste2010

Shemale wrote: »

You should watch his races and then you will understand.:cool:

He is a complete tool, had him backed to beat Sprinter before both were sidelined

1st race in 2 seasons running close to 170 to win..can't see it happening. In fact I would say if he does run "Barry" will be told if he's there abouts at the end don't go too hard on him if there's a battle with the risk of sending him back to square one. Exact same thing happened with burton port 2 seasons ago in a different race

madmoose

What value have people snapped up ante post for chelt then?

Tell us more 20/1
No more heroes 16/1
Briar hill 12/1

Theyre my best 3 so far for value don cossack 14/1 ryanair too

A few poor ones so far include allez colom and oscar whiskey RIP both.

skippymac6

madmoose wrote: »

What value have people snapped up ante post for chelt then?

Tell us more 20/1
No more heroes 16/1
Briar hill 12/1

Theyre my best 3 so far for value don cossack 14/1 ryanair too

A few poor ones so far include allez colom and oscar whiskey RIP both.

What races have you pegged for those three? In order I'd say Neptune, Albertt Bartlett and World Hurdle?

Have the above trio for those three races myself and I quite like Shanahans Turn for the RSA at 25/1 at the minute. Read a piece with De Bromhead the other day and he was raving about him.

jimjamcos

madmoose wrote: »

What value have people snapped up ante post for chelt then?

Tell us more 20/1
No more heroes 16/1
Briar hill 12/1

Theyre my best 3 so far for value don cossack 14/1 ryanair too

A few poor ones so far include allez colom and oscar whiskey RIP both.

Just Tell Us More at 20's myself but keen on Boston Bob for GC. Very hard to find value, a horse just needs to get round it seems to be cut for the festival.

Mountainlad

shy-tall-knight wrote: »

Ballycasey entered in the Dial-A-Bet at Christmas. Looked a non-stayer last year so will be interesting to see if he has the gears for 2miles.
He's only 7/1 with Paddy Power for the QM which is probably the worst ante-post price I've ever seen.

Any chance he'd run Vautour or would they be completely against sending a novice there.

nobody told me

Mountainlad wrote: »

Any chance he'd run Vautour or would they be completely against sending a novice there.

Vautour has as much chance of running in the dial a bet as he does the queen mother. Absolutely none

madmoose

skippymac6 wrote: »

What races have you pegged for those three? In order I'd say Neptune, Albertt Bartlett and World Hurdle?

Have the above trio for those three races myself and I quite like Shanahans Turn for the RSA at 25/1 at the minute. Read a piece with De Bromhead the other day and he was raving about him.

Yep those 3 races

Gregk961

Shemale wrote: »

You should watch his races and then you will understand.:cool:

He is a complete tool, had him backed to beat Sprinter before both were sidelined

What exactly does watching his races (I've seen most of them several times) have to do with my point? He did nothing in his victorious that would even remotely suggest he has the ability to win both a King George and a QM in the same season, after 18+ months off the track.

Simonsig was/is a fantastic horse and its a pity that we have missed out on what could have been a fantastic 2 years, but anybody who thinks he is going come back better than ever *this year* and win every race going is deluded.

Shemale

ste2010 wrote: »

1st race in 2 seasons running close to 170 to win..can't see it happening. In fact I would say if he does run "Barry" will be told if he's there abouts at the end don't go too hard on him if there's a battle with the risk of sending him back to square one. Exact same thing happened with burton port 2 seasons ago in a different race

If Sprinter doesn't line up he could win that on the steel, he got a rating of 162 for his last win when Hendersons were all out of sorts and was injured after that run.

Hopefully he comes back sound and as good as he was and makes for the 190 mark.

ComplyOrDie

Shemale wrote: »

If Sprinter doesn't line up he could win that on the steel, he got a rating of 162 for his last win when Hendersons were all out of sorts and was injured after that run.

Hopefully he comes back sound and as good as he was and makes for the 190 mark.

190. Ahhhhh here, are you plucking figures, how are you coming up with that?

Gringo180

Gregk961 wrote: »

He did nothing in his victorious that would even remotely suggest he has the ability to win both a King George and a QM in the same season, after 18+ months off the track.

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You serious? He absolutely murdered Hinterland, cantered home beating him by a distance and giving him 10lbs. Hinterland is no mug and isnt far off the best 2 mile chasers at the minute. This horse is a freak.

Shemale

ComplyOrDie wrote: »

190. Ahhhhh here, are you plucking figures, how are you coming up with that?

His run against Hinterland, my view that I thought he would beat Sprinter last year, he schools with Sprinter and I believe if he comes back as good as ever that he will prove to be a better horse than Master Minded in his pomp.

Hulk Hands

Gregk961 wrote: »

What exactly does watching his races (I've seen most of them several times) have to do with my point? He did nothing in his victorious that would even remotely suggest he has the ability to win both a King George and a QM in the same season, after 18+ months off the track.

Simonsig was/is a fantastic horse and its a pity that we have missed out on what could have been a fantastic 2 years, but anybody who thinks he is going come back better than ever *this year* and win every race going is deluded.

He hasnt had 18 months in his box or anything. He's been working away as normal and a mixture of having a very tender joint which they didnt want to risk by racing, and sickness at the wrong times has kept him off the track. But it's not as though he's lost out on much time, hes basically been doing the same work at home as others. It's not a normal injury absence. Whether i'll back him at any stage is another thing, but I'll be respecting him anyway throughout the year

Hulk Hands

Trouble in P wrote: »

Lads any information on the well-being of Annie Power? I fully expect her to be fit and well for Cheltenham and to win the Mares Hurdle but would like to know what condition she is in at the moment. Hopefully I'll have a decent ante post bet around EVENS, if she wins her next race over the Christmas period, she could well go off at 1/3 at Cheltenham.

Price up what she is to return from injury and get to the festival. Then price how likely that it'll be the Mares she runs in. Then multiply those and multiply the answer by the 1/3 on the day (It's Cheltenham, you'll likely get bigger), and see does the answer come to less than Evens. Comes way bigger for me so a terrible Antepost bet. She wont be out at Xmas

posturingpat

Simonsig going to miss King George i hear.

Arctic89

posturingpat wrote: »

Simonsig going to miss King George i hear.

Confirmed by racing post. I never bought the whole thing about this not being a serious injury, anything that keeps them out for a year is serious. Sadly I think we've seen the last of him on a track.

madmoose

Hope josses hill goes well tomorrow in the novice chase.

ste2010

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I have 2 winter warmer package tickets which includes a 3course meal, wine, rce programme, pavilion view, mc etc..heavily discounted. PM me if interested