Player Watchlist 2014-2015

Mr.Prodston

Last year's Player Watchlist was an invaluable source of players that we felt could do a job in the world of fantasy football for us so I thought we should bring it back again this year.

Some will be hits and some will be misses but hopefully there'll be quite a few successful punts available to us this year after last years......actually I'm not going to talk about last year

I'll kick things off so:

GoalKeepers:

Tim Krul (Newcastle 4.5)
Ok this is kind of obvious but after a poor second half to the season Newcastle's players have all suffered a probable .5 drop in value. If they sort themselves out then this is a bargain price.

Rob Green (QPR 4.5)
I think QPR might be a good team to look at defensively this year. If they don't score goals then they'll have to keep things tight at the back. Probably the best of the promoted teams.

Lukasz Fabianski (Swansea 5.0)
Fabianski was a very able deputy for Arsenal and with regular football we could see the best from him. Playing in front of a Swansea team who like to pass it and without the Europa League to contend with could see a better level of performance than last season. Rotates very well with Begovic of Stoke too.

Julian Speroni (Palace 5.0)
Palace under Tony Pulis have been a revelation and it's like Stoke have been reborn. Even at 5.0 it's a good price and QPR and Palace rotate remarkably well early on. There may be competition with Hennessy but a battle Speroni will likely win.

David De Gea (Man Utd 5.5)
A bad season last year for United but surely they won't be so poor and with 5/3 at the back looking likely De Gea might get even more protection. The Mignolet of last year only clean sheets might actually be attained this year.

Defenders:

Matt Targett (Southampton 4.0)
I've been constantly singing his praises for the past week and I won't stop until it's finally he confirmed he won't be 1st choice LB. A gateway to the Saints defence at a bargain price needs to be monitored via the "new Luke Shaw"

Chris Baird (WBA 4.0)
Worth keeping an eye on as Baird is a utility man and could pop anywhere in the backline or midfield. Or may not feature at all. Perfect fodder for the watchlist though. See Andre Wisdom too.

Davide Santon (Newcastle 4.5)
I could tell you of the wonders of Ron Vlaar, John O'Shea, Rio Ferdinand, Geoff Cameron or Neil Taylor but I think Santon represents excellent value at 4.5. Dribbles now being awarded in the BPS along with crossing and general attacking could boost Santon's appeal significantly. There's many more options in the 4.5 range and you could quite easily fill your defence with them.

Ben Davies (Spurs 5.0)
Another that has gone straight into my team. Spurs should tighten up under Pochettino while Davies could be pivotal in creating chances down the left. Obvious choice for me. Vermaelen if he goes to United and Jose Enrique if he starts at Liverpool could be assets. Trippier might be worth 5.0 if he fulfills the prophecy of being Seamus Coleman reborn but he plays for Burnley rather than Everton.

Filipe Luis (Chelsea 6.0)
A Chelsea defender, wow so original you say. Well if you're shelling out 6.0 or more for a defender it should probably be from Chelsea. The first choice anyway. Signed for a significant sum so you'd expect he'd start. Might not have the goal threat of the other big 3 Chelsea defenders but assists are more likely and the BPS could suit him.

Midfielders:

Andy King (Leicester 4.5)
A big player for the Foxes over the past few years and likes to chip in with a few goals from central. Not a big name, nothing too fancy but could be the perfect 4.5 mid who won't tempt you to play him.

George Boyd (Hull 4.5)
A fair bit of uncertainty here but he's been chipping in with goals in pre-season and with Hull fighting on th European front this year too he might see more game time in either the league or Europa. There's potential here if things fall correctly.

Diego Poyet (West Ham 4.5)
I'm not going to pretend I know much more than he's Gus Poyet's son and that he did quite well with Charlton last season. If he starts he could be a another option.

Tomas Rosicky (Arsenal 5.0)
Yes I know, but I don't care. However he could be a perfect early gamble if Wenger does indeed rest his German players early in the season. At 5 it's worth monitoring. Arteta is 5.5 too and probably still on penalties if he starts.

Jordi Gomez (Sunderland 5.5)
My eccentricity may be appearing more readily now but I also realised compiling all of this is getting more tedious :pac: Anyway Gomez is hit/miss and nowhere in between but he's good at set-pieces. Lots of these type of options at 5.5 that we can look at over the summer

Gylfi Sigurdsson (Swansea 6.0)
A hero for me ever before I found this forum. If only we can get Papiss Cisse and Ben Arfa up and running we'll be flying it. I must mention Snodgrass for 6.0 too, Norwich be representing, yo.

Lennon/Townsend (Spurs 6.5)
One of these could nail down the right wing under new management and with dribbles and crosses being rewarded more could see these 2 get some attention.

Herrera/Cabella (Man + New Utd 7.5)
A knee-jerk to Herrera's one and only performance pre-season but he impressed. He got a lot further forward than I expected and could be an assist machine. Cabella and De Jong are big hopes for Newcastle.

Erik Lamela (Spurs 8.0)
More bandwagoning here :P but if he's fit, healthy, in form and playing then he could be a revelation. He deserves a place on this list anyway.

Forwards:

Ashley Barnes (Burnley 4.5)
I wouldn't be picking a 4.5 option but Barnes might see some game time, maybe.

Lukas Jutkiewicz (Burnley 5.0)
This dude might play ahead of Barnes but I wouldn't be picking a 5.0 forward either. He's elligible to play for Ireland so if Emmet is running his Irish team again I'd claim him quick.

Glenn Murray (Palace 5.5)
Be still my beating heart you might say but I think Murray could be a good player for Palace this year, especially if he's on penalties (he might not). A good preseason should set him right after being out injured until the last month.

Charlie Austin (QPR 6.0)
He's my pick of the 6.0 forwards but Jelavic, Long, Ings, Wickham and Ideye all could contend. He should be on spot-kicks and if QPR score it probably will be Austin.

Mame Biram Diouf (Stoke 6.5)
He's big and powerful and learned to score in Germany. If this translates back to the PL then he could be a credible option upfront whilst being fed by Arnie, Adam et al.

Enner Valencia (7.0 West Ham)
Just added to the game today with the news that Carroll could be out for months means that Valencia could be an option if his World Cup form continues. Pricey at 7.0 though.

Graz Pelle (Southampton 7.5)
Himself and Tadic did very well in the Dutch league and it's hoped they'll do well in the PL too. "Dusan Tadic and Graziano Pelle have both made the move from Eredivisie having garnered the top two ratings in the Dutch top-flight from WhoScored.com last season. Although the Italian front man just edged it (7.96 to 7.80), it's Tadic from whom the magic is expected." Football365 article Whoscored.com is actually useful when looking at players too I've found.

Diego Costa (Chelsea 10.5)
He surely deserves a mention simply because he's new and a striker that plays for Chelsea. Whether he's worth a punt remains to be seen but we haven't have a viable Chelsea forward for years and 10.5 is relatively cheap to be fair.

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Ok this took longer than I thought and is in no way exhaustive. There's loads of players I left out that I hope we can all add on. Happy player watching

Backstreet Moyes

Ravel Morisson 5.0

He started last season on the bench before forcing his way into the side. He scored and assisted a few for a West Ham side lacking any attacking threat. He is a fantastic dribbler and with West Ham signing good strikers he could be a good option.

Downside is he got sent on loan over rumors Alardyce was unhappy he wouldn't change his agent to the same as his. Obvious risks attached but i will see how he starts the season. If he wasn't mad in the head he would be a superstar already hopefully he fulfills his talent.

Mannone 4.5 after a poor start to the season under Di Canio, Poyet had them looking solid at the back.

Swiper the fox

Bloody hell, that was some post Mr P, fair play to you. I'm gonna pick a team right now with this post as my bible. Obviously I'll make changes but it's nice to look at a team that hasn't been auto selected. I haven't been following the forum lately, is Targett a contender to be the new you know who????:pac: It is certainly a name that will easily be incorporated into a team name.

By the way have you stepped down from modding duties? Thesis due in soon enough????

OneColdHand

Swiper the fox wrote: »

By the way have you stepped down from modding duties? Thesis due in soon enough????

If the thesis is as detailed and thorough as the above post, he's sorted!

roryc

Haha was going to recreate this at some stage but haven't had time, good work Mr P

There are some great options this year, especially in the £6m striker field. I would throw Arfield's name into the ring, another poster mentioned him the other day. A steal at £5m.

CSF

roryc wrote: »

Haha was going to recreate this at some stage but haven't had time, good work Mr P

There are some great options this year, especially in the £6m striker field. I would throw Arfield's name into the ring, another poster mentioned him the other day. A steal at £5m.

Always nervous of the newly promoted teams here because they're always prone to sign a replacement before deadline day.

Mr.Prodston

Swiper the fox wrote: »

Bloody hell, that was some post Mr P, fair play to you. I'm gonna pick a team right now with this post as my bible. Obviously I'll make changes but it's nice to look at a team that hasn't been auto selected. I haven't been following the forum lately, is Targett a contender to be the new you know who????:pac: It is certainly a name that will easily be incorporated into a team name.

By the way have you stepped down from modding duties? Thesis due in soon enough????

Yeah I stepped down as mod there before the world cup started. You didn't miss any announcement so I guess this is it now :pac: I don't want to go too far off topic for long but basically I found modding wasn't for me. I probably wasn't posting as much and I wasn't enjoying the forum as much so I thought instead of dragging it out I'd just step down once the season was over. I'm going nowhere as a poster (evidently given said thesis above) and wanted to do what was right for the forum and myself.

As for the thesis, the less said the better. The fact I'm on boards right now is telling enough with just over a month to go Anyway that's all the gossip you'll get from me. We've got an off-topic thread we should be using. There's no point in even trying to outrun FutureGuy though as he's a running machine

Yes there are certain similarities between MT and MT 2.0 If you go back through the threads you'll see me mentioning him once or twice as an option. He's meant to be given a chance over pre-season to nail down the LB spot now that Shaw is gone so it's just something to keep an eye on.

Iused2likebusts

Robert Huth priced at 5.0 missed big chunks of the season last year. Stoke have great opening fixtures and he is generally good for a goal.

Jose Enrique as above if liverpool dont sign a LB Id expect him to be first Choice.

Scott Arfield Mid 5.0 hardworking player that gets his share of assists and goals.

Samir Nasri didnt go to the world cup and should be fresher than a lot of the big players. Id expect him to start the season strong due to this.

Kieran Trippier who was my big hope has been priced at 5.0 higher than I expected. I'll wait to see how burnley start and till the fixtures ease but will definetly have him in my team at some stage.

Wayne Rooney IMO the best value in the game for the first few weeks. Great fixtures and with a point to prove which is when he is usually at his best. Over the season not so much as he is prone to dips in form, injuries and can see him and LVG clash.

Dr. Bre

is Calum Chambers one to watch if he goes to Arsenal?

CSF

Dr. Bre wrote: »

is Calum Chambers one to watch if he goes to Arsenal?

Only if you're doing a League Cup Fantasy Football.

Dr. Bre

CSF wrote: »

Only if you're doing a League Cup Fantasy Football.

haha true. 16 million to play in league cup tho...

CSF

Dr. Bre wrote: »

haha true. 16 million to play in league cup tho...

Long-term investment.

PARlance

Jovetic is going on my watchlist, could be a steal at 8.0 if things start to go his way.

Mr.Prodston

Jerome Williams of Palace has been starting at LB so far in Pre-season. He's not added to the game yet but I can't imagine he'd be any more than 4.5. He could be a good option.

Not Jonathan Williams who's listed as a midfielder either.

Posada

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Jerome Williams of Palace has been starting at LB so far in Pre-season. He's not added to the game yet but I can't imagine he'd be any more than 4.5. He could be a good option.

Not Jonathan Williams who's listed as a midfielder either.

Thanks for clearing that up. Some lads on here get terribly mixed up! :pac:

Dr. Bre

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Jerome Williams of Palace has been starting at LB so far in Pre-season. He's not added to the game yet but I can't imagine he'd be any more than 4.5. He could be a good option.

Not Jonathan Williams who's listed as a midfielder either.

or Cameron Jerome ha

FHFC

Been struggling hard to get three viable 4m defenders to facilitate my all out attack 352 Here are my finding so far, any other suggestions.

Hull City
Chester is 4.5 if you can afford such luxury. Bruce and McShane are 4 but no kind of gametime certainty. If they play 3 centre backs Bruce might get a game.

Newcastle
Dummet and Taylor come in at 4.0 with the former playing 1139mins last season, but still not yet enough to be sure either will start.

WBA
We're probably all aware of loanee Wisdom, but the imminent arrival of the Costa Rican lad throws a slight doubt over his gametime. Some suggestions the new guy might play right mid, and Wisdom can also play centre half. A good prospect but not a cert. Think FFS or somewhere I read might have also suggested Chris Baird might have a shout.

Burnley
Duff, but seems widely expected they'll replace him with a new signing.

Leicester
Upson, Wasilewski? Anyone know the prospects on these guys?

And last but not least...
Southampton
Targett, having set his sights (sorry, couldn't resist) on Saints RB spot him preseason starts and Koemans praise means his prospects look good barring a new signing. But are Southampton's defence still a prospect worth investing in?

The pickings are slim in this price bracket as yet. Anyone got any gems?

manual_man

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Jerome Williams of Palace has been starting at LB so far in Pre-season. He's not added to the game yet but I can't imagine he'd be any more than 4.5. He could be a good option.

Not Jonathan Williams who's listed as a midfielder either.

good shout also Peter Ramage(was on loan last season) at cb hasn't been added yet and has an eye for goal

Shedite27

FHFC wrote: »

The pickings are slim in this price bracket as yet. Anyone got any gems?

Anyone who's a "guaranteed starter" (I hate that phrase) won't be valued at 4.0 to begin with, it's likely some will appear come week 1/2/3, but they're ones that both ourselves and the fantasyfootball price-makers don't think are starters.

There were none this time last season either, then Chester and Ward appeared. We'll have a better idea in September once the window closes.

Lemlin

Shedite27 wrote: »

Anyone who's a "guaranteed starter" (I hate that phrase) won't be valued at 4.0 to begin with, it's likely some will appear come week 1/2/3, but they're ones that both ourselves and the fantasyfootball price-makers don't think are starters.

There were none this time last season either, then Chester and Ward appeared. We'll have a better idea in September once the window closes.

Long term injuries can help as well. Bruce for example at Hull emerged as a starter because of Chester's injury troubles.

Iused2likebusts

Jutkiewcz 5.0 could be in line to start up front with Ings for Burnley. He started last nights friendly in what was by the looks of it their strongest 11 available they only made 2 subs. Could be an option for those going 3 5 2.
Danny simpson 4.5 also started right wing back for qpr in a 3 5 2.

Mr.Prodston

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Jutkiewcz 5.0 could be in line to start up front with Ings for Burnley. He started last nights friendly in what was by the looks of it their strongest 11 available they only made 2 subs. Could be an option for those going 3 5 2.
Danny simpson 4.5 also started right wing back for qpr in a 3 5 2.

I've been giving serious thought to Simpson and Ward/Williams of palace in rotation if I opt for De Gea in goal over Green/Speroni

Paully D

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

I've been giving serious thought to Simpson and Ward/Williams of palace in rotation if I opt for De Gea in goal over Green/Speroni

Me too. Well, Stoke/Swansea plus QPR/Palace alongside a Chelsea defender.

What do you think of my post on the General Chat thread referencing similar?

It would give me; De Gea, Terry and then whatever two players are at home between the aforementioned teams which happens 34 out of 38 weeks. They have cracking starts too, when rotated.

Mr.Prodston

Paully D wrote: »

Me too. Well, Stoke/Swansea plus QPR/Palace alongside a Chelsea defender.

What do you think of my post on the General Chat thread referencing similar?

It would give me; De Gea, Terry and then whatever two players are at home between the aforementioned teams which happens 34 out of 38 weeks. They have cracking starts too, when rotated.

You basically read my mind is what you did Paully :pac: only I had Van Aanholdt and Santon/other Newcastle defender instead of the Swans/Stoke rotation but that's not set in stone. It makes a lot more sense to me to do the Chelsea defender and four from those 6 teams now that we're going to miss the targett. I'd be sacrificing Ben Davies but that's not the end of the world.

Mr.Prodston

Yun Suk-Young (steady now :pac:) of QPR is only 4.0 and may be the LB. He's in competition with Traore one would imagine but somebody to keep an eye on. He played all 3 games for South Korea in the WC too and played his first game last night.

Lemlin

He could be useless but he's a 4 million defender so I'll add this potential gem...

There's a girl here in work that is from Leicester and follows them. She reckons Liam Moore will be a 4 million starter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Moore

30 appearances last season, Young Player of the Month in September, has been a member of the England U21s and was the subject of a failed transfer bid from a then PL club Fulham in January.

Looking at Leicester's pre season, they have played Ilkeston, Everton and Walsall. Moore played a half against Ilkeston, the full game against Everton (despite the fact that Leicester fielded a hugely different team in the second half as opposed to the first) and thirty minutes against Walsall.

Leicester have four friendlies left but for now I am going to keep an eye on him. Leicester start with Everton home, Chelsea away and Arsenal home but I just want a 4 mil defender who will get a point or two for the appearance in the unlikely event they are needed.

Rightlad91

bojan 5.5 , nuff said.

FHFC

Hull played 3 centre backs in Europa meaning 4.0m Alex Bruce started.

OneColdHand

Think this is the best place for this question.

Looking for the best 5.0 or 4.5 midfielder. In theory, someone that's guaranteed to start. Some options are:

Albrighton, 4.5m: have him in my team as a place holder. No idea if he will start or not.
Delph, 5.0m: was Villa's player of the season last year, but that's not saying much. He is guaranteed game time but won't offer much going forward.
Stehpen Ireland, 5.0m: started 7 of Stokes last 8 games last season, and chipped in with some goals and assists. Hard to know if he'll keep his place though.
Scott Arfield, 5.0m: It appear he did quite well last season, but I honestly know nothing about him, and I don't like picking players that I don't know anything about!! Also, Burnley don't have the easiest first 3 games.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

Lemlin

FHFC wrote: »

Hull played 3 centre backs in Europa meaning 4.0m Alex Bruce started.

That's because Jelavic didn't play though. When Jelavic plays, they generally go with 4-4-2.

I actually wouldn't mind if Bruce went back to the 3-5-2 with wing backs that they started last season with. Chester would be a great option as Hull were good for clean sheets at home.

8-10

OneColdHand wrote: »

Think this is the best place for this question.

Looking for the best 5.0 or 4.5 midfielder. In theory, someone that's guaranteed to start. Some options are:

Albrighton, 4.5m: have him in my team as a place holder. No idea if he will start or not.
Delph, 5.0m: was Villa's player of the season last year, but that's not saying much. He is guaranteed game time but won't offer much going forward.
Stehpen Ireland, 5.0m: started 7 of Stokes last 8 games last season, and chipped in with some goals and assists. Hard to know if he'll keep his place though.
Scott Arfield, 5.0m: It appear he did quite well last season, but I honestly know nothing about him, and I don't like picking players that I don't know anything about!! Also, Burnley don't have the easiest first 3 games.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

Robbie Brady, on set pieces and good fixtures. 5.0m with a little doubt over playing time but Bruce spoke well of him last week

If he starts he's the best in that bracket for me

CSF

8-10 wrote: »

Robbie Brady, on set pieces and good fixtures. 5.0m with a little doubt over playing time but Bruce spoke well of him last week

If he starts he's the best in that bracket for me

With him not making the bench for their Europa League game, that question over him starting just got alot bigger.

Lucas Hood

I'm expecting Hull to stick to the 352 formation so I don't see Brady getting that many starts.

CSF

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I'm expecting Hull to stick to the 352 formation so I don't see Brady getting that many starts.

Does that bring Bruce into play or is Harry Maguire the man?

Lemlin

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I'm expecting Hull to stick to the 352 formation so I don't see Brady getting that many starts.

Haha, we're going to go at it again over Hull now :pac::pac:

Brady played last season in the 3-5-2 so why do you think that formation will effect him?

I don't expect him to play given all the players they've signed tbh but I don't think that formation would particularly effect his playing time.

Lucas Hood

Lemlin wrote: »

Haha, we're going to go at it again over Hull now :pac::pac:

Brady played last season in the 3-5-2 so why do you think that formation will effect him?

I don't expect him to play given all the players they've signed tbh but I don't think that formation would particularly effect his playing time.

He played Left wing back in a 352 a handful of times last season. Most of the time it was Rosenior or Figueroa.

To answer CSF I wouldn't be sure who will play but I'm not sure why Bruce has been priced 0.5m lower than the rest of the lads likely to play.

Lemlin

Lucas Hood wrote: »

He played Left wing back in a 352 a handful of times last season. Most of the time it was Rosenior or Figueroa.

To answer CSF I wouldn't be sure who will play but I'm not sure why Bruce has been priced 0.5m lower than the rest of the lads likely to play.

Was Brady not a regular until he got injured?

I'd say Bruce is 0.5 mil cheaper because when everybody else was fit last season he didn't play.

Lucas Hood

Lemlin wrote: »

Was Brady not a regular until he got injured?

I'd say Bruce is 0.5 mil cheaper because when everybody else was fit last season he didn't play.

He was a regular but they were playing 433/451/442 for most of his appearances.

8-10

It's fair enough maybe I'm wrong and he won't play but if we're talking watch list he's definitely on mine. If he gets starts he'll be in my team

manual_man

Moreno(if Liverpool finally get him) got to be one to keep an eye on very attack-minded 3 goals in 29 league games last year would probably come in at 6.0 but might be worth a punt with the new bp's system seemingly favouring attacking full-backs

Jack Wilshere 6.5m


On paper he doesn't look like a guaranteed starter yet always seems to get minutes when fit. Decent shot at playing 10 with Ozil likely to be rested at the start of the season. Very cheap for an attacking midfielder at Arsenal if he stays fit and gets enough playtime.

eclectichoney

OneColdHand wrote: »

Think this is the best place for this question.

Looking for the best 5.0 or 4.5 midfielder. In theory, someone that's guaranteed to start. Some options are:

Albrighton, 4.5m: have him in my team as a place holder. No idea if he will start or not.
Delph, 5.0m: was Villa's player of the season last year, but that's not saying much. He is guaranteed game time but won't offer much going forward.
Stehpen Ireland, 5.0m: started 7 of Stokes last 8 games last season, and chipped in with some goals and assists. Hard to know if he'll keep his place though.
Scott Arfield, 5.0m: It appear he did quite well last season, but I honestly know nothing about him, and I don't like picking players that I don't know anything about!! Also, Burnley don't have the easiest first 3 games.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

I like the look of King for Leicester - looks to have an eye for a goal.

Ace2007

OneColdHand wrote: »

Think this is the best place for this question.

Looking for the best 5.0 or 4.5 midfielder. In theory, someone that's guaranteed to start. Some options are:

Albrighton, 4.5m: have him in my team as a place holder. No idea if he will start or not.
Delph, 5.0m: was Villa's player of the season last year, but that's not saying much. He is guaranteed game time but won't offer much going forward.
Stehpen Ireland, 5.0m: started 7 of Stokes last 8 games last season, and chipped in with some goals and assists. Hard to know if he'll keep his place though.
Scott Arfield, 5.0m: It appear he did quite well last season, but I honestly know nothing about him, and I don't like picking players that I don't know anything about!! Also, Burnley don't have the easiest first 3 games.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

I actually think Kieran Richardson is value at 5m, got 4 goals and 5 assists last season with Fulham, signed by Villa, got assumed he'll be a starter.

CSF

Ace2007 wrote: »

I actually think Kieran Richardson is value at 5m, got 4 goals and 5 assists last season with Fulham, signed by Villa, got assumed he'll be a starter.

Think he will be at LB though

Paully D

AdamD wrote: »

Jack Wilshere 6.5m


On paper he doesn't look like a guaranteed starter yet always seems to get minutes when fit. Decent shot at playing 10 with Ozil likely to be rested at the start of the season. Very cheap for an attacking midfielder at Arsenal if he stays fit and gets enough playtime.

I'd personally expect Ramsey to play higher up the pitch with Wilshere dropping back alongside Arteta or a new signing if that scenario occurs.

Paully D

Paully D wrote: »

I'd personally expect Ramsey to play higher up the pitch with Wilshere dropping back alongside Arteta or a new signing if that scenario occurs.

Wilshere will play 10 before Ramsey, was always the case last season.

manual_man

AdamD wrote: »

Wilshere will play 10 before Ramsey, was always the case last season.

Dunno what matches you were watching

manual_man

manual_man wrote: »

Dunno what matches you were watching

Every single one of them, Ramsey didnt play 10 once last season.

bicboy6666

AdamD wrote: »

Every single one of them, Ramsey didnt play 10 once last season.

so youre telling us ramsey got all those points and goals last season when he was playing as a deep lying midfielder while wilshere got fck all playing in the 10..... ok

Swiper the fox

I don't think it's up for debate to be honest. Ramsey doesn't nor ever will he play in what is known as the number 10 position. Neither does Frank Lampard or Yaya Toure. Jack Wilshere does play that position quite often but he's been used as a partner for Arteta/Flamini also from time to time. Either way the second "holding midfielder" (usually Ramsey) for Arsenal has licence to get forward quite a lot. Ramsey had an outrageous goals per attempt ratio last year I'd say. I don't think he's value at 9m. Wilshere would be fantastic value but will probably play no more than 50% of the time unless there are a few injuries.

Scorpion Sting

Swiper the fox wrote: »

I don't think it's up for debate to be honest. Ramsey doesn't nor ever will he play in what is known as the number 10 position. Neither does Frank Lampard or Yaya Toure. Jack Wilshere does play that position quite often but he's been used as a partner for Arteta/Flamini also from time to time. Either way the second "holding midfielder" (usually Ramsey) for Arsenal has licence to get forward quite a lot. Ramsey had an outrageous goals per attempt ratio last year I'd say. I don't think he's value at 9m. Wilshere would be fantastic value but will probably play no more than 50% of the time unless there are a few injuries.

Trouble is Wilshere is usually one of those on the treatment table!