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Child Shot in Ballyfermot

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    #242
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,816 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    rubberdiddies wrote: »
    20 year minimum sentence for this.
    I dot care what the bleeding hearts brigade think of that. If an example is to be set then this is the perfect opportunity to set it.

    Of course we know that there's a strong chance of just 100 hours community service being given instead due to the unfortunate background of the person responsible, coupled with their 79 previous convictions which of course all contributed to the hard life they have had and so they deserve a second (or 80th) chance.

    Yes I know I'm rambling but I'm so mad

    Heres what several interviews over the next few days will sound like

    "ahh shewure hes a lurvely fella, didnt mean no harm by shooding dat chiuld, hes had a very hard life what with all the other misunderstandins, sewure where were dat childs parents? He shoulda been in skewel......"

    "emm it was at 10 at night...."

    "Yeah dats what I said he shoulda been in bed"

    "and what about the man with the gun?"

    "Ahh sewure as I said he meant no harm"


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    #243
    AnonoBoy
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    rubberdiddies wrote: »
    20 year minimum sentence for this.
    I dot care what the bleeding hearts brigade think of that.

    Just out of curiousity which bleeding hearts brigade member have you heard campaigning for the rights of someone who shoots a small child? :confused:


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    #244
    Realtine
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    DellyBelly wrote: »
    Living in Dublin a few years now for a few years and every time there seems to be an incident in Dublin Ballyfermot is mentioned. Either the incident happened there or the people involved are from the area.

    I went for a drive out there to see what it was really like 1 Sunday and I have to say it's really frightening place. I went to the Tesco there and the amount of people who looked they were zonked out on drugs was unreal. I wont be in a hurry back there.

    Im sure there are decent people living there (poor them) but it looks like it is becoming a real no go area. What can be done? Zero tolerant policing or something similar?

    In the the 17 years I have lived in Ballyfermot with my very decent family I can honesty say with hand on heart that I have never had an issue or an incident happen to me - maybe I just keep my head down and get on with it but I've never been afraid in the area. Take a drive in the area after dark and there is not a soul to be seen, as unbelievable at that sounds, it's true.
    I don't find it scary at all - never have done and I'm a country lass.
    It's far from a no-go area though, Cherry Orchard perhaps needs attention.
    I will give you your point about Tesco's though, it's horrible - but not scary.


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    #245
    artful_codger
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    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Just out of curiousity which bleeding hearts brigade member have you heard campaigning for the rights of someone who shoots a small child? :confused:

    The Irish Penal Reform Trust.


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    #246
    AnonoBoy
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    artful_codger wrote: »
    The Irish Penal Reform Trust.

    Probably not exactly what they stand for though is it?


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    #247
    artful_codger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭artful_codger


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Probably not exactly what they stand for though is it?

    Does it matter? Their stated position is that the number of prisoners...sorry...'steakholders' should be reduced, imprisonment should be used sparingly and bail should be even more liberal. That applies to all criminals, including rapists, paedophiles and gangsters.


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    #248
    AnonoBoy
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    artful_codger wrote: »
    Does it matter?

    I think it does.


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    #249
    Birroc
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    Only heard of this story this morning. What's going on in Dublin these days?
    I suppose the authorities wont lift a finger until it happens in the leafy suburbs. Dublin is losing it's allure very fast lately.


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    #250
    rubberdiddies
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    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Just out of curiousity which bleeding hearts brigade member have you heard campaigning for the rights of someone who shoots a small child? :confused:

    I haven't. Yet. But it's only a matter of time. Particularly when it comes to sentencing whoever was responsible


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    #251
    Little CuChulainn
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Heres what several interviews over the next few days will sound like

    "ahh shewure hes a lurvely fella, didnt mean no harm by shooding dat chiuld, hes had a very hard life what with all the other misunderstandins, sewure where were dat childs parents? He shoulda been in skewel......"

    "emm it was at 10 at night...."

    "Yeah dats what I said he shoulda been in bed"

    "and what about the man with the gun?"

    "Ahh sewure as I said he meant no harm"

    I doubt it to be honest. Shooting a child would be one of those things that would lose you your neighbour privileges up there. It might even convince some of the witnesses to come forward.
    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Just out of curiousity which bleeding hearts brigade member have you heard campaigning for the rights of someone who shoots a small child? :confused:

    When you think of it, the charges would be along the line of endangerment, assault causing harm and discharging a firearm. Not charges that generally carry high sentences. The fact the victim is a child will be unlikely to affect sentencing too much. If you support lighter alternative sentencing in general then you have to accept that people like the guy who shot the child will also take advantage of it.

    Birroc wrote: »
    Only heard of this story this morning. What's going on in Dublin these days?
    I suppose the authorities wont lift a finger until it happens in the leafy suburbs. Dublin is losing it's allure very fast lately.

    What do you mean lift a finger?


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    #252
    Sparks
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    When you think of it, the charges would be along the line of endangerment, assault causing harm and discharging a firearm. Not charges that generally carry high sentences.
    Possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life (section 15 of the firearms act) would be the first charge I'd think you could prove if you caught the person responsible, seeing as how they had the gun and were shooting at someone with it. The punishment for that is "imprisonment for life or such shorter term as the court may determine" and "a fine of such amount as the court considers appropriate". I don't know what you think of as a high sentence, but I don't think the law is lacking teeth here (all your remaining life and all your money? You can't have a harsher sentence than that without bringing back hanging).
    Whether or not the courts choose to use those teeth on the other hand...


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    #253
    Dravokivich
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    Birroc wrote: »
    Only heard of this story this morning. What's going on in Dublin these days?
    I suppose the authorities wont lift a finger until it happens in the leafy suburbs. Dublin is losing it's allure very fast lately.

    Shootings tend to get attention on a case by case basis. It seems they haven't quite cracked going all timecop on it.


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    #254
    carzony
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    From what i'v heard the department of justice want these people caught and dealt with asap because of the already bad press. I live here and the amount of guards around the place now is unbelievable. Lots of new unmarked cars about and armed detectives..


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    #255
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    carzony wrote: »
    From what i'v heard the department of justice want these people caught and dealt with asap because of the already bad press. I live here and the amount of guards around the place now is unbelievable. Lots of new unmarked cars about and armed detectives..

    A child was shot. I doubt the department of justice have to put any pressure on anyone.


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    #256
    CrazyRabbit
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    Since details have already been published by the media, I guess it's ok to publish them here.

    The boy who was shot is Sean Scully:
    http://i.imgur.com/wgIus5V.jpg

    The man arrested for withholding information is his uncle Keith Lyons.


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    #257
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    Since details have already been published by the media, I guess it's ok to publish them here.

    The boy who was shot is Sean Scully:
    http://i.imgur.com/wgIus5V.jpg

    The man arrested for withholding information is his uncle Keith Lyons.

    The scummer code of not talking to the police is still in force then?


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    #258
    Spring Onion
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    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    I love how people who are from these ****ty areas will defend them to the last.

    They won't improve if ye all just keep ignoring the problem and trying to convince everyone else that there's nothing wrong. It's not a personal flaw of yours that you came from a kip.

    Agree with this. Dubliners seem happy to accept the cesspit that is Dublin's inner city provided the scum doesn't migrate to their suburbs.


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    #259
    No Pants
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    artful_codger wrote: »
    prisoners...sorry...'steakholders'
    I've never seen prisoners being described in this way before. I didn't even know they got steak. How long are they asked to hold it for and for what purpose? Is it cooked and do they get to eat it later?


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    #260
    smellmepower
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    Spring Onion wrote: »
    Agree with this. Dubliners seem happy to accept the cesspit that is Dublin's inner city provided the scum doesn't migrate to their suburbs.

    Only the entire inner city,and areas like Ballyfermot/Clondalkin/Tallaght etc aren't actually cesspits.That's why Dubliners and people who live in these areas don't like ignorant,media hysteria influenced idiots (who use terms like scum for instance) labeling them so.


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    #261
    kid234
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    i hope the child will be ok


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    #262
    EyeSight
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    Why is this story not bigger? Why are the politicians not up in arms about this? Instead they're bickering over some needless bank inquiry


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    #263
    Electric Sheep
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I doubt it to be honest. Shooting a child would be one of those things that would lose you your neighbour privileges up there. It might even convince some of the witnesses to come forward.
    As the child's uncle has been arrested for withholding information from the Gardai, I guess not.


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    #264
    old hippy
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    smellmepower wrote: »
    Only the entire inner city,and areas like Ballyfermot/Clondalkin/Tallaght etc aren't actually cesspits.That's why Dubliners and people who live in these areas don't like ignorant,media hysteria influenced idiots (who use terms like scum for instance) labeling them so.

    Well said.

    It's easier for those who don't or won't take time to look beyond labelling to trade in cliches and righteous indignations, though.


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    #265
    antodeco
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    I live in Ballyfermot. Wife grew up here. I moved here from what is known as a very posh area. Things people need to know about Ballyfermot:
    • There are scum here
    • Not everybody is scum (Some of the most decent people you will meet live here)
    • Parts of Cherry Orchard is a law upon itself
    • The scum normally only attack the scum
    • Its fairly empty at night. Yes fights happen, but nowhere more than anywhere else.
    • There is a drug influence in parts of Ballyfermot. The locals know who/where they are, and dont want anything to do with them and would rather them gone.
    • The fact that a family member of the child is refusing to talk to police should give people an idea of the types that exist in Ballyfermot/other parts of Ireland. This does not mean its everywhere.

    Like anywhere, there are elements of scum, but people also need to remember that there are also lots of very nice people. In an area of several thousand people, you will have scum who will cause tarring of everyone else who lives here.


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    #266
    salmocab
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    Spring Onion wrote: »
    Agree with this. Dubliners seem happy to accept the cesspit that is Dublin's inner city provided the scum doesn't migrate to their suburbs.

    Ballyfermot isn't inner city not by a good bit. Dubs aren't happy to accept any crap in our city its not a case of the poor inner city and the rich suburbs some of the poorest parts of Dublin are suburbs and rich areas like the famous D4 is practically inner city but don't let geography get in the way of your sweeping statements.


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    #267
    artful_codger
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    No Pants wrote: »
    I've never seen prisoners being described in this way before. I didn't even know they got steak. How long are they asked to hold it for and for what purpose? Is it cooked and do they get to eat it later?

    Jesus lad, 2600 posts in one year. Get yourself a few outdoor hobbies instead of being stooped over a keyboard picking up on spelling mistakes.


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    #268
    No Pants
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    artful_codger wrote: »
    Jesus lad, 2600 posts in one year. Get yourself a few outdoor hobbies instead of being stooped over a keyboard picking up on spelling mistakes.
    You mean like running, cycling and mountain climbing? :rolleyes:

    I'm not that pushed about spelling. I wouldn't remark on it unless (a) it was so bad that the message was lost or (b) there was potentially some humour in it. Take the lousy attempt at a joke at face value. :o


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    #269
    MadsL
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    UCDVet wrote: »
    This is why we need to outlaw guns!

    I was waiting for someone to blame law-abiding gun owners.


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    #270
    dodderangler
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    MadsL wrote: »
    I was waiting for someone to blame law-abiding gun owners.

    I don't know of any crimes that have happened involving someone who has a licence for a gun other than few poachers


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    #271
    Little CuChulainn
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    dodderangler wrote: »
    I don't know of any crimes that have happened involving someone who has a licence for a gun other than few poachers

    Probably because people don't report crimes to you.


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