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Child Shot in Ballyfermot

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    #272
    dodderangler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Probably because people don't report crimes to you.

    Well smartarse I happen to be involved in hunting and shooting and a licensed firearm holder and being on a few hunting forums myself I would hear of a gun attack involving someone who is a licensed firearms holder.


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    #273
    EyeSight
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    dodderangler wrote: »
    I don't know of any crimes that have happened involving someone who has a licence for a gun other than few poachers

    it's the Irish reaction to a problem. Ban it or tax it but never solve it


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    #274
    dodderangler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    EyeSight wrote: »
    it's the Irish reaction to a problem. Ban it or tax it but never solve it

    Or ramble on bout it an do nothing bout it then.


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    #275
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    dodderangler wrote: »
    Well smartarse I happen to be involved in hunting and shooting and a licensed firearm holder and being on a few hunting forums myself I would hear of a gun attack involving someone who is a licensed firearms holder.

    And you've heard of none? Despite how informed you think you are, it's unlikely you hear of the majority of issues that arise with legally held firearms.


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    #276
    dodderangler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    And you've heard of none? Despite how informed you think you are, it's unlikely you hear of the majority of issues that arise with legally held firearms.

    No. Never heard of anyone shooting someone with their own legally held firearm.


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    #277
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    dodderangler wrote: »
    No. Never heard of anyone shooting someone with their own legally held firearm.

    John Carthy?


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    #278
    Witcher
    Registered Users Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    John Carthy?

    He didn't shoot anyone.


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    #279
    Puzzle35
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭Puzzle35


    I haven't heard much coverage regarding this child's shooting on the radio, RTE /Newstalk. If the child were from a more salubrious area I reckon there would be a real crackdown. Cynical maybe but that's the way i see it!


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    #280
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Blay wrote: »
    He didn't shoot anyone.

    He shot at them. There's a few others that can be found with a simple google. Legally held guns have been used in domestics and suicides too. I'm not proposing they be banned or anything, but outright denying they are used in crimes is ignorant at best.


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    #281
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Puzzle35 wrote: »
    I haven't heard much coverage regarding this child's shooting on the radio, RTE /Newstalk. If the child were from a more salubrious area I reckon there would be a real crackdown. Cynical maybe but that's the way i see it!

    Crackdown on what?


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    #282
    Witcher
    Registered Users Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    He shot at them. There's a few others that can be found with a simple google. Legally held guns have been used in domestics and suicides too. I'm not proposing they be banned or anything, but outright denying they are used in crimes is ignorant at best.

    Never been proven that he fired in anyone's direction. He was shot because he was walking towards unarmed Gardai and wouldn't drop the gun.


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    #283
    TeaBagMania
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    Other than the few rifle permits issued I thought guns were banned in Ireland? Does anyone know what kind of firearm or if it was even firearm?


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    #284
    Puzzle35
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭Puzzle35


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Crackdown on what?

    Thought it was obvious. Gang land shootings.....


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    #285
    Witcher
    Registered Users Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    TeaBagMania wrote: »
    Other than the few rifle permits issued I thought guns were banned in Ireland? Does anyone know what kind of firearm or if it was even firearm?

    No they're not banned. We don't know what was used yet, some articles said an air rifle.


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    #286
    riffmongous
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    dodderangler wrote: »
    No. Never heard of anyone shooting someone with their own legally held firearm.
    There was that Padraig Nally/ John Ward case a while back. He was found not guilty eventually though.

    Just saying it out of interest, I can imagine where this might go though..


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    #287
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Puzzle35 wrote: »
    Thought it was obvious. Gang land shootings.....
    how would they do it? as tragic as this shooting is the only thing that could probably prevent such shootings is the guards gaining intelligence that a shooting is going to happen for which the ERU would turn up, if the guards don't get intelligence nothing can be done, thats the reality

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #288
    Skill Magill
    Registered Users Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭Skill Magill


    So now we have chaps with access to guns, who haven't a clue how to shoot and nearly kill some poor innocent kid, and not too long ago John Gilligan was sitting in the toilet and another gunman shot through the door and Gilligan survived. These muppets need training to say the very least, there's a very low level of competence with these fellows, which is scary.


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    #289
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    rubberdiddies wrote: »
    Yes I know I'm rambling

    yes, yes you are, and its daily fail/indo rabel rabel, nonsense like "I dot care what the bleeding hearts brigade think" = invalidate point, for what its worth all this "setting an example" rubbish has been proven to fail, you deal with someone because they commit a crime thats it, not to deter others or set an example as its a pointless waste of time

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #290
    EyeSight
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    end of the road wrote: »
    how would they do it? as tragic as this shooting is the only thing that could probably prevent such shootings is the guards gaining intelligence that a shooting is going to happen for which the ERU would turn up, if the guards don't get intelligence nothing can be done, thats the reality

    or just cracking down on the gangs in general. We all know some of the main guys. Everyone does. But it's extremely rare lately to see the guards catching one of the big guys.

    In any other country if a kid or a cop gets shot, the next morning there's plenty of raid on the big guys. Why? Because it makes them lose money and ****s with their "business". Then they think twice about what hits they sanction and on someone.
    Sure it might not work. But it's better than doing what we usually do! i.e. Nothing


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    #291
    No Pants
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    Skill Magill wrote: »
    These muppets need training to say the very least, there's a very low level of competence with these fellows, which is scary.
    That's an interesting idea. Maybe Fás or Solas or whatever they're called now could run some courses.


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    #292
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,067 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Skill Magill wrote: »
    So now we have chaps with access to guns, who haven't a clue how to shoot and nearly kill some poor innocent kid, and not too long ago John Gilligan was sitting in the toilet and another gunman shot through the door and Gilligan survived. These muppets need training to say the very least, there's a very low level of competence with these fellows, which is scary.

    So are you condemning the shooting or saying that the scummers should be better with guns?

    It's not scary that they have little experience with firearms, it's scary that people think it's grand that they shoot each other. That's what leads to innocents getting hurt.. idiots saying that they don't care if one cnut tries to kill another on the streets.


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    #293
    Skill Magill
    Registered Users Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭Skill Magill


    They shouldn't have access to guns if they're not up to a certain standard, I have no problems letting them kill each other whatsoever, but if they're incompetent they shouldn't be given the guns in the first place.


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    #294
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    Yeh because whomever they acquire fire-arms from is really concerned about their shooting training.
    Weird bemoaning their lack of training rather than bemoaning the shooting at all.


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    #295
    Bateman
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    Explain that to the gangs, I'm sure they'll see the value in it


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    #296
    Skill Magill
    Registered Users Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭Skill Magill


    If they had been trained no innocent would have been injured


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    #297
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    EyeSight wrote: »
    or just cracking down on the gangs in general. We all know some of the main guys. Everyone does. But it's extremely rare lately to see the guards catching one of the big guys.

    if no evidence exists nothing can be done, if evidence is got they will be caught
    EyeSight wrote: »
    In any other country if a kid or a cop gets shot, the next morning there's plenty of raid on the big guys. Why? Because it makes them lose money and ****s with their "business"

    for a few minutes maybe, then it will be business as usual
    EyeSight wrote: »
    they think twice about what hits they sanction and on someone.

    they don't, if they want to take out a hit they will, thats the sad reality, deterrents don't work for such criminality.
    EyeSight wrote: »
    Sure it might not work. But it's better than doing what we usually do! i.e. Nothing

    if the guards can't get the evidence together then they can't do anything, its the same in any civilized country.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #298
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    My name is URL wrote: »
    It's not scary that they have little experience with firearms, it's scary that people think it's grand that they shoot each other. That's what leads to innocents getting hurt.. idiots saying that they don't care if one cnut tries to kill another on the streets.
    What we need is a Hamsterdam offshore, some wee island off the coast where the drug trade is legal. Make sure they have loads of weapons on the island. Could even make a TV show out of it.


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    #299
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Skill Magill wrote: »
    If they had been trained no innocent would have been injured
    oh dear, you really haven't a clue

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #300
    emo72
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    end of the road wrote: »
    oh dear, you really haven't a clue

    hes fishing, and you took the bait:pac:


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    #301
    [Deleted User]
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    Skill Magill wrote: »
    If they had been trained no innocent would have been injured

    or, if they were decent human beings, a child would not have been shot


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