The Sunday Game Thread

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Patww79 wrote: »

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Thank god I wasn't the only one to spot how ridiculous that was. His reasoning for it not being a red was something like, "ah it was late in the game and they were frustrated".... So it's fine to take the standpoint of "If I'm going down, I'm taking one of you bastards with me"?

Laughable is right

BonnieSituation

El Presidente has hit out at RTÉ:

RT&#201 wrote:

GAA President Aogán Ó Fearghail has labelled The Sunday Game “tiresome” and “consistent in its negativity”.
Ó Fearghail was discussing the edition of 16 August when analyst Colm O’Rourke said there was “a bad smell” associated with Tyrone because of their approach to the game.
Asked if O’Rourke’s comments are discrediting the GAA, Ó Fearghail told the Irish Examiner: “It possibly is. It’s discrediting of the people themselves.
“I did say it before and I would still say it again: I think some of The Sunday Game commentary is unfair. But at this stage it’s predictable and in fairness it’s consistent in its negativity. So it’s fairly predictable. It’s tiresome, I find.
“When people talk about smells or nastiness or anything like that, I just find it unhelpful in our sport.
“I like analysis where people say something is wrong and where they point out that something could be improved. There’s nothing wrong with that but using that type of language is not something I like.”
When prompted on if the grievance could be a factor when television rights are distributed again at the end of 2016, he said: “It might be. It could be an issue.”

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0825/723397-gaa-president-hits-out-at-the-sunday-game/

wackokid

keane2097 wrote: »

There is literally no chance the "consenting adults" line wasn't thought up during the week to be trotted out regardless of what happened on the field.

Cynical punditry is a bigger issue than cynical football at this stage.

You seem to forget that Kerry lovers Whelan and O Rourke agreed with Brolly though in less colourful tones.
Whelan said Maurice Deegan was very far from the play when he made the last penalty call and Tyrone will feel aggrieved" while O Rourke who recently tarnished the good name of Tyrone with his 'smelly' comment felt it necessary to say "I think in a way Tyrone paid for the sins of the past because I felt that they definitely deserved a second penalty"
He then went on to say that despite all that he felt Deegan did quite a good job.

He sure did 'quite a good job' on Tyrone but I doubt that O Rourke meant it in those terms.
His comments on Tyrone a week earlier in addition to the daily media blasting of Tyrone by ex players from way down south made sure that Deegan would " do his job".

robbiezero

wackokid wrote: »

You seem to forget that Kerry lovers Whelan and O Rourke agreed with Brolly though in less colourful tones.
Whelan said Maurice Deegan was very far from the play when he made the last penalty call and Tyrone will feel aggrieved" while O Rourke who recently tarnished the good name of Tyrone with his 'smelly' comment felt it necessary to say "I think in a way Tyrone paid for the sins of the past because I felt that they definitely deserved a second penalty"
He then went on to say that despite all that he felt Deegan did quite a good job.

He sure did 'quite a good job' on Tyrone but I doubt that O Rourke meant it in those terms.
His comments on Tyrone a week earlier in addition to the daily media blasting of Tyrone by ex players from way down south made sure that Deegan would " do his job".

Their analysis of that penalty was very poor. You would swear it was a cast-iron penalty the way they commented on it. It looked a bit like Whelan and O'Rourke just couldn't be arsed disagreeing with Brolly on it and I think they were a bit thrown by his stupid comment on the referee riding Tyrone.

That was the most controversial incident in the game and deserved better analysis which it got later on the evening programme.

OldMrBrennan83

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tayto lover

Patww79 wrote: »

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AND getting the standard of refereeing up to an acceptable level because it's been dire for years and continues to be ignored.

zetecescort

Patww79 wrote: »

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fully agree but the difference between hurling and football pundits is mad. every hurling game is a classic but football is dying a slow death

Realt Dearg Sec

zetecescort wrote: »

fully agree but the difference between hurling and football pundits is mad. every hurling game is a classic but football is dying a slow death

They can only call it like they see it in fairness.

ProudDUB

tayto lover wrote: »

AND getting the standard of refereeing up to an acceptable level because it's been dire for years and continues to be ignored.

Or just give them some help. Take the responsibility for time keeping away from them & give them the assistance of a TMO for big decisions involving penalties, black/red cards & dubious goals.

wackokid

tayto lover wrote: »

AND getting the standard of refereeing up to an acceptable level because it's been dire for years and continues to be ignored.

Agreed.............especially for Mayo last year and for Cork and Tyrone 'so far' this year.

bucketybuck

Patww79 wrote: »

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He wasn't wrong though.

Morgans

I dont know if it has been mentioned but how was there only 2 mins injury time on Sunday. Not that made a difference to the result but who is it that monitors this. Cooper was down for 3 mins maybe by himself.

BonnieSituation

Morgans wrote: »

I dont know if it has been mentioned but how was there only 2 mins injury time on Sunday. Not that made a difference to the result but who is it that monitors this. Cooper was down for 3 mins maybe by himself.

I was saying this at the time as well. It was noticeable on Sunday but it happens too often as well to solely put it down to bias.

Sure, remember the 2011 final?

The timekeeping is rather arbitrary in my mind.

It's like that the board is gospel no matter what happens after it goes up.

ProudDUB

bucketybuck wrote: »

He wasn't wrong though.

Rightness or wrongness is a matter of opinion imo.

The things that people, pundits and journalists are complaining about, are things that he/the GAA have the power to change. They refuse to do so. Or if they do, they do it in a half arsed manner. Bringing in the black card to stamp out cynical play, but doing nothing about the fact that refs are still largely handing out yellow cards for black card offenses, is a classic example of that.

So if he goes on to have a whinge about overly negative commentary, while ignoring what it is that people are being negative about, it is hard to give credence to what he is saying.

BonnieSituation

ProudDUB wrote: »

Rightness or wrongness is a matter of opinion imo.

The things that people, pundits and journalists are complaining about, are things that he/the GAA have the power to change. So if he goes on to have a whinge about overly negative commentary, while ignoring what it is people are being negative about, it is hard to give credence to what he is saying.

Even though there are doubts of your Dubliness this is right on the money. It reminds me off the FF government saying there was nothing they could do about the economy collapsing etc.

tayto lover

wackokid wrote: »

Agreed.............especially for Mayo last year and for Cork and Tyrone 'so far' this year.

I thought the incident in the Leinster Final of 2010 would see the whole issue of bad refereeing being dealt with but not a bit. If anything it has got worse. Rarely a weekend where we don't talk more about the referee than the match itself.

Yet the GAA completely ignore the problem as if will disappear by magic.

bucketybuck

ProudDUB wrote: »

Rightness or wrongness is a matter of opinion imo.

The things that people, pundits and journalists are complaining about, are things that he/the GAA have the power to change. They refuse to do so. Or if they do, they do it in a half arsed manner. Bringing in the black card to stamp out cynical play, but doing nothing about the fact that refs are still largely handing out yellow cards for black card offenses, is a classic example of that.

So if he goes on to have a whinge about overly negative commentary, while ignoring what it is that people are being negative about, it is hard to give credence to what he is saying.

This is simply a fallacy. The GAA president saying that RTE are boringly miserable does not mean that he is not or cannot act upon other issues. Just saying that he has better things to do in no way addresses the actual substance of his point, just the opposite in fact, it ignores his point in a non sequitur.

Its like moaning about Premier leagues wages by claiming that the money could have paid for a hundred nurses. Might have been a lot of money, but whether it was paid to a footballer or not has absolutely no effect on the wages of nurses in the rest of the country. One does not affect the other, just as the GAA president commenting on RTE in no way affects how he does his job at all other times.

threeball

BonnieSituation wrote: »

El Presidente has hit out at RTÉ:




http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0825/723397-gaa-president-hits-out-at-the-sunday-game/

Aógan would want to pull his head in. The GAA need RTE more than RTE need the GAA and talking twaddle about giving the main rights to the sport to Sky or BT is pie in the sky. A move like that could very well absolutely collapse the interest in the game in favour of rugby etc. The viewing figures don't lie, theres far less people watching games on Sky than actually have Sky sports and much prefer to watch Rte and their analysis.

He'd be far better off addressing the issues in the game and the sh1tty games schedule than worrying about pundits commenting on it. He only needs to read on here to see theres a hell of a lot of people with the same opinion.

bucketybuck

tayto lover wrote: »

I thought the incident in the Leinster Final of 2010 would see the whole issue of bad refereeing being dealt with but not a bit. If anything it has got worse. Rarely a weekend where we don't talk more about the referee than the match itself.

Yet the GAA completely ignore the problem as if will disappear by magic.

So how do you fix the problem?

Because a lot of club members know exactly why the GAA aren't harder on referees, its because its getting bloody hard to get a referee at all.

Realt Dearg Sec

bucketybuck wrote: »

This is simply a fallacy. The GAA president saying that RTE are boringly miserable does not mean that he is not or cannot act upon other issues. Just saying that he has better things to do in no way addresses the actual substance of his point, just the opposite in fact, it ignores his point in a non sequitur.

Its like moaning about Premier leagues wages by claiming that the money could have paid for a hundred nurses. Might have been a lot of money, but whether it was paid to a footballer or not has absolutely no effect on the wages of nurses in the rest of the country. One does not affect the other, just as the GAA president commenting on RTE in no way affects how he does his job at all other times.

The problem for me is that he seems to think the problem facing Gaelic football is the negative attitude of analysts, as if that attitude was just plucked straight out of thin air. The issues that have actually LED to that negativity, it seems to me, are far more important to address than Colm O'Rourke pointing them out. If he wants more positive coverage, the power to get it is in his hands, but I'd rather see him get it through fundamental changes in how the game is approached by all involved in playing and coaching, than get it through threatening RTE if they don't start pretending that the awful games they are watching are actually cracking good entertainment.

tayto lover

bucketybuck wrote: »

So how do you fix the problem?

Because a lot of club members know exactly why the GAA aren't harder on referees, its because its getting bloody hard to get a referee at all.

Spend a bit of money on training seminars. Weekend away learning and then putting what they learn into refereeing juvenile games to bring them on. You would have to take groups of trainee referees away for weekends and treat them well. At the moment no two games are refereed in the same fashion. It's as if some of them are making up their own rules as they go along.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

The problem for me is that he seems to think the problem facing Gaelic football is the negative attitude of analysts, as if that attitude was just plucked straight out of thin air. The issues that have actually LED to that negativity, it seems to me, are far more important to address than Colm O'Rourke pointing them out. If he wants more positive coverage, the power to get it is in his hands, but I'd rather see him get it through fundamental changes in how the game is approached by all involved in playing and coaching, than get it through threatening RTE if they don't start pretending that the awful games they are watching are actually cracking good entertainment.

His criticisms are correct as the coverage of the game is far too foccussed on the negative.I've often tuned in before a match only to hear O;Rourke Spillane and Brolly tell the audience how bad the upcoming game will be (and often times the opposite has happened where the game has been good in spite of the prophets of doom prior warning).Usually the pre-game buildup is supposed to entice you to tune in to watch a match but the football pundits seem intent on turning people off the game before they can even make up their own mind.No other TV station would tolerate their negativity

He should be trying to focus on improving the game, However the big problem is that no one person can make any difference to anything in the GAA (even the president) as the association is stifled by democracy so he can't really do anything to improve football anyway as regardless of what rule changes would be suggested I doubt any changes would get through congress.

It was torture to get through the black card which as a very small change imagine who difficult it would be to actually make a big change to footballs rules/competition structures.

klairondavis

To be fair to referees, it's a much more difficult game to referee nowadays. The negative attitude and mindset of players out on the field is becoming more of an issue, particularly in football. Incidences of players looking to con referees are much more prevalent now than they were twenty years ago. I think there's more respect between opposing players in hurling and this makes it an easier game to officiate.

threeball

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

His criticisms are correct as the coverage of the game is far too foccussed on the negative.I've often tuned in before a match only to hear O;Rourke Spillane and Brolly tell the audience how bad the upcoming game will be (and often times the opposite has happened where the game has been good in spite of the prophets of doom prior warning).Usually the pre-game buildup is supposed to entice you to tune in to watch a match but the football pundits seem intent on turning people off the game before they can even make up their own mind.No other TV station would tolerate their negativity

He should be trying to focus on improving the game, However the big problem is that no one person can make any difference to anything in the GAA (even the president) as the association is stifled by democracy so he can't really do anything to improve football anyway as regardless of what rule changes would be suggested I doubt any changes would get through congress.

It was torture to get through the black card which as a very small change imagine who difficult it would be to actually make a big change to footballs rules/competition structures.

The Gaa's biggest asset and enemy, Democracy. Impossible to get anything done with the consensus required.

DoctaDee

wackokid wrote: »

Agreed.............especially for Mayo last year and for Cork and Tyrone 'so far' this year.

Its strange that with all the rhetoric with regard to refereeing performances, the shambles and outright willful bias displayed by Padraig O'Sullivan in the Dublin/Fermanagh game is swept under the rug with a grin and a wink .. ah shure ya know. I can only assume that he took to the field predisposed to saddle Dublin and this from a ref selected as one of the top 16 in the country.

Realt Dearg Sec

DoctaDee wrote: »

Its strange that with all the rhetoric with regard to refereeing performances, the shambles and outright willful bias displayed by Padraig O'Sullivan in the Dublin/Fermanagh game is swept under the rug with a grin and a wink .. ah shure ya know. I can only assume that he took to the field predisposed to saddle Dublin and this from a ref selected as one of the top 16 in the country.

Ah the Dubs just can't take their bea...wait...they can't take not giving out as much of a beating as usual

DoctaDee

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Ah the Dubs just can't take their bea...wait...they can't take not giving out as much of a beating as usual

.. our chastity was broken against Fermanagh :P

wackokid

DoctaDee wrote: »

Its strange that with all the rhetoric with regard to refereeing performances, the shambles and outright willful bias displayed by Padraig O'Sullivan in the Dublin/Fermanagh game is swept under the rug with a grin and a wink .. ah shure ya know. I can only assume that he took to the field predisposed to saddle Dublin and this from a ref selected as one of the top 16 in the country.

It wouldn't be the biggest surprise in the world if the said Padraig was appointed for the final, with Paudie Hughes and Maurice Deegan as his linesmen. He will of course bring his own goats as umpires.
Could Dublin or Mayo handle that?

Fr Tod Umptious

wackokid wrote: »

It wouldn't be the biggest surprise in the world if the said Padraig was appointed for the final, with Paudie Hughes and Maurice Deegan as his linesmen. He will of course bring his own goats as umpires.
Could Dublin or Mayo handle that?

There is no way Padraig O Sullivan could ref the final.
He is from Kerry for Gods sake.

I also doubt Reilly would be given it if it's Mayo v Kerry, too much baggage from last year rightly or wrongly.

DoctaDee

wackokid wrote: »

It wouldn't be the biggest surprise in the world if the said Padraig was appointed for the final, with Paudie Hughes and Maurice Deegan as his linesmen. He will of course bring his own goats as umpires.
Could Dublin or Mayo handle that?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

There is no way Padraig O Sullivan could ref the final.
He is from Kerry for Gods sake.

I also doubt Reilly would be given it if it's Mayo v Kerry, too much baggage from last year rightly or wrongly.

If Dublin get there we'll be insisting on Joe McQuillan as he's our referee

... and to add a bit of balance to the O'Sullivan post .. he was the same man (and the only one) in Castlebar that didn't see Kev McMenamon double hop the ball on the way to our 2nd goal.

I think David Gough can safely go out and buy an AI outfit for the final - he's everything I've seen a top ref should be