Way to go Sinn Fein

Santa Cruz

Lastlight. wrote: »

Sinn Fein economic policies are fantasy and would cripple the Irish Republic.

Those policies follow the Pat Rabbitte principle "Sure isn't that what you say at elections"

Lastlight.

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Those policies follow the Pat Rabbitte principle "Sure isn't that what you say at elections"

Go look at the economic policies of Sinn Fein. It will never get them into government by supporting such policies.

pconn062

I seen Mary Lou on RTE earlier on with Miriam O' Callahan. She asked Mary Lou, hypothetically speaking if Sinn Fein were in power in the future, and they are opposed to water tax, property tax etc, how would they raise funds? And unsurprisingly Mary Lou had no response (just like no one from SF has any response) but instead chose to say how Labout and FG had "choices" in government and made the wrong "choices", and SF would make the right "choices". It's easy to ride the wave of public dissatisfaction with a current government, and to spout populist slogans, but I almost want to see SF get into power just to see what would happen. I imagine one term would be enough to assure they are never elected again.

Red Nissan

Lastlight. wrote: »

Sinn Fein economic policies are fantasy and would cripple the Irish Republic.

It's already happened and SF had nothing to do with it, a six year old child could have handled the Irish Economy in last decade better than the well educated and graduate honourable gentlemen in recent times who actually did.

The IRA stick used to beat Sinn Fein is getting a bit tiring. I dont agree with what some members allegedly done in the past but if the queen even sees fit to put the past behind and shake hands with Martin Mcguinness then perhaps we the Irish people need to get over it. Im more interested then what they do tomorrow.

its the politicians who sold Ireland out that i have more contempt for. The weasel government parties that have choked the Republic for so long now while all the while feathering their own nest. I dont need to mention who they are needless to say.

Lastlight.

Red Nissan wrote: »

It's already happened and SF had nothing to do with it, a six year old child could have handled the Irish Economy in last decade better than the well educated and graduate honourable gentlemen in recent times who actually did.

We all want what is best for the country, so lets not make it even worse. We all know Sinn Fein would set the recovery back.

Lukker-

Don't vote, it's the only way you'll make a difference.

At the end of the day it's gonna be Fine Gael or Fine Fail. It's like painting Bone White over a room that's already painted egg shell white and convincing yourself there is a difference.

Bannasidhe

Phoebas wrote: »

Fair play to SF, they did very well today.
For the first time they are now going to hold real power in councils around the country where they will have the power to reject the annual budget. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, so it'll be interesting to see how they perform now that they've joined the establishment.

I guess SF controlled councils and council where SF hold the balance of power will be reducing the property tax by 15% next year. I wonder what services they'll choose to cut to pay for it.

Last time SF controlled the Councils was 1920 ...sadly after 1922 when Cumann na nGaedhael split from SF and grabbed power things went rapidly downhill with one unaccountable elite replacing the other

Wouldn't it be ironic SF use this same platform and create an actual republic as was intended last time.

Smidge

Lastlight. wrote: »

We all want what is best for the country, so lets not make it even worse. We all know Sinn Fein would set the recovery back.

Are they still selling crystals balls on donedeal?

Lukker-

Lukker- wrote: »

Don't vote, it's the only way you'll make a difference.

At the end of the day it's gonna be Fine Gael or Fine Fail. It's like painting Bone White over a room that's already painted egg shell white and convincing yourself there is a difference.

How in jaysus sake will that make a difference?

Lastlight.

Smidge wrote: »

Are they still selling crystals balls on donedeal?

Look at the policies of Sinn Fein. A lot of it is economically illiterate.

K.Flyer

Maybe its their turn, and thats what some people will just have to accept.
But it could just be another Labour situation.
Years ago, under Dick Spring, labour got in primarily on a protest vote, and again under Gilmore it was the protest vote against F.Fail.
However, on both occasions they appear to have let their voters down badly and under Dick Spring paid the price heavily cast into the opposition benches for years as people did not forget how they had been let down by them.
Fine Gael are proving themselves to be much of the same and have left the general voting public feeling very disillusioned.
So who was left...
It appears that Sinn Fein, and some of the smaller parties / independants are now being given the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is, maybe they will deliver, maybe they won't.
As it has been said many a time, it's easy to shout down proposals and budgets from the opposition seats, its a different story when you are the one having to make the decisions.
So we shall see, as long as they remember, the voters will not be forgiving if they are let down by them.

mickydoomsux

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How in jaysus sake will that make a difference?

I think he means that it would make a difference if literally no one voted.

Karl Stein

Lastlight. wrote: »

We all want what is best for the country, so lets not make it even worse. We all know Sinn Fein would set the recovery back.

You're from the north Keith, we're not quite a 32 county country yet. I just went through every post you've made and it's the same anti-SF, 'the Protestant people this, Romanism that' bull your little mind is obsessed with.

I shudder to think of the culture of hate you were raised in.

You're to be pitied really.

WakeUp

Karl Stein wrote: »

Let there be no doubt about one thing. If SF were in government they'd not be rolling over and having their tummies tickled by the Europeans when it comes to negotiating on things like debt relief.

Whatever about Sinn Feins past objectively speaking they strike me as bunch that arent to be bullied and they are cunning. In the international arena/discussions these are manditory required qualities as if you dont possess them you will be out manouvered and walked all over which is what has happened thus far in all our negotiations with Brussels over retroactive debt relief. In my opinion Enda is not up to the task is three years now and still no deal only one way instructions from the Europeans. If the shinners send people to represent us in the European parliament which appears very likely Ill be watching them closely to see how they perform. The European parliament does not have the legislative power to bring about fundamental change this is the domain of the commision though voices within it can have an influence on the decision makers. There are a number of member states dead set against even the concept of retroactive recapitalisation if we want this deal we need to be prepared to fight for it and we do have options. The EU promised to look at the issue and Enda told us a deal was in the offing so far its abject failure on both counts. It will be very interesting to see how the shinners roll and what they can/cant achieve.

The Diabolical Monocle

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

I apologise. I misread, he was not publicly pro nazi at all.

Indeed.

Dev was not publicly pro-nazi.

Good.

Lastlight.

Lastlight. wrote: »

Look at the policies of Sinn Fein. A lot of it is economically illiterate.

What we've had to endure hasn't exactly been the best option either. A government who put the debt of a private bank (of their cronies) on the tax payer.

The next government who were supposedly 'the opposition' came in and reinforced it instead of hammering on the EU door and asking for a better deal. It was well and truly Frankfurts way.

You have the likes of that moron Phil Hogan threatening people to pay property charges while all the while showing contempt for his personal property tax in another jurisdiction.

You still have a great deal of waste and inefficiencies. Health has arguably got worse under O'Reilly.

So yeah things mightnt be good under SF or the Anti Austerians, but no way on earth should the current liars, morons and chancers be given a chance of any further governance. As for Fianna Fail, id hope we'd never see their ilk again.

Phoebas

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Last time SF controlled the Councils was 1920 ...sadly after 1922 when Cumann na nGaedhael split from SF and grabbed power things went rapidly downhill with one unaccountable elite replacing the other

Wouldn't it be ironic SF use this same platform and create an actual republic as was intended last time.

Well, here's to a return to the 1920s then .

You have very high expectations from SF, I hope you're not too disappointed.

mickydoomsux

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I think he means that it would make a difference if literally no one voted.

Good luck to him with that

umop.episdn

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Another keyboard hardman who'd **** in his pants if he heard a baloon burst. The exact type of scum who SF will deal with when they get power

This is the kind of post that shows people why they shouldn't vote for Sinn Fein

Kathnora

pconn062 wrote: »

I seen Mary Lou on RTE earlier on with Miriam O' Callahan. She asked Mary Lou, hypothetically speaking if Sinn Fein were in power in the future, and they are opposed to water tax, property tax etc, how would they raise funds? And unsurprisingly Mary Lou had no response (just like no one from SF has any response) but instead chose to say how Labout and FG had "choices" in government and made the wrong "choices", and SF would make the right "choices". It's easy to ride the wave of public dissatisfaction with a current government, and to spout populist slogans, but I almost want to see SF get into power just to see what would happen. I imagine one term would be enough to assure they are never elected again.

Well said! SF have certainly implemented austerity measures in the North since they got their hands on some power. The Troika literally dictated the introduction of property tax and water charges (most other EU countries already have them) as a condition to giving us all the money. Do people not know that? Do people seriously think SF could abolish these charges if they got into power? And, even if they did abolish them the money has to come from somewhere. Really, no matter who is in power there is only so much money in the kitty and in sharing it out some "Peters" who are robbed to pay the "Pauls" are not going to be happy. FF made some serious errors in the past when they had control over the country's finances but if they got into power again they would still be restricted by the big guys who bailed us out and they would have to tow the line.

tayto lover

I actually find it amusing to read posts criticising SF's economic policies when the people making the comments support either of the two main parties FF or FG. One party ruined the country and the other stood idly by and watched or complained that they didn't give away enough.

Dan_Solo

Lastlight. wrote: »

Look at the policies of Sinn Fein. A lot of it is economically illiterate.

Maybe that's because they've used government figures provided in The Dail by Fine Gael...

Kathnora

Kathnora wrote: »

Well said! SF have certainly implemented austerity measures in the North since they got their hands on some power. The Troika literally dictated the introduction of property tax and water charges (most other EU countries already have them) as a condition to giving us all the money. Do people not know that? Do people seriously think SF could abolish these charges if they got into power? And, even if they did abolish them the money has to come from somewhere. Really, no matter who is in power there is only so much money in the kitty and in sharing it out some "Peters" who are robbed to pay the "Pauls" are not going to be happy. FF made some serious errors in the past when they had control over the country's finances but if they got into power again they would still be restricted by the big guys who bailed us out and they would have to tow the line.

The so called big boys in Frankfurt threw money at this country and didnt ask questions until it was too late and if that is a case for FF to be elected (that they wont be bold this time as they will be actually monitored) then thats an awful case.

Unknown Soldier

Lastlight. wrote: »

Sinn Fein economic policies are fantasy and would cripple the Irish Republic.

Lastlight. wrote: »

Go look at the economic policies of Sinn Fein. It will never get them into government by supporting such policies.

Lastlight. wrote: »

We all want what is best for the country, so lets not make it even worse. We all know Sinn Fein would set the recovery back.

Lastlight. wrote: »

Look at the policies of Sinn Fein. A lot of it is economically illiterate.

Lets look at the pre election policies of the other parties too.

The reality is that most countries are ran by the higher echelons of their civil service.

The same would happen if SF were in government.

pconn062

tayto lover wrote: »

I actually find it amusing to read posts criticising SF's economic policies when the people making the comments support either of the two main parties FF or FG. One party ruined the country and the other stood idly by and watched or complained that they didn't give away enough.

Did I state what political party I support? Neither FG of FF, or Labour for that matter, I have no affiliation to any party. Never assume, it only weakens your argument.

steddyeddy

Guys Sinn Fein have done well. Celebrate that and ignore the trolls.

Aongus Von Bismarck

I really hope that in all this internet hype built up by the shinnerbot legions that its remembered that the vast vast majority of this country chose NOT to vote for these lunatics. I hope the media continues to treat them as a fringe party.

tayto lover

pconn062 wrote: »

Did I state what political party I support? Neither FG of FF, or Labour for that matter, I have no affiliation to any party. Never assume, it only weakens your argument.

Your argument is certainly weakened seeing that I never named or quoted you.
BUT if the cap fits .....:pac:

Bannasidhe

Phoebas wrote: »

Well, here's to a return to the 1920s then .

You have very high expectations from SF, I hope you're not too disappointed.

I would like to live in an Irish republic.

Seems to me SF are the only party who never abandoned that aim.

I would not and could not support them while they tried the violent route to achieve that goal but I can understand why they felt the need.

Nor am I so hypocritical as to condemn the modern SF for doing exactly what those we laud as the founders of the state did to achieve independence - it's a shame most of our so-called founders then turned around and simply inserted themselves into the vacuum left by the British and nothing really changed bar we got a dose of extra added Roman Catholic ethos.

SF have proven themselves to have two qualities other Irish parties lack
1. Firmness of conviction and refusal to pander.
2. Willingness to find common ground with the 'enemy' for the sake of the wider community.

I say this as an ex life long Labour supporter and party member before anyone want to come in with the old 'bot' comments.

FG/FF/LP between them destroyed the republic and we would have been better off remaining in the Union imho then with what we ended up with on their watch - at least we would have had the NHS and decent roads.