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Anglo Trial - Read Mod Warning in First post

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    #212
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Have you been in hibernation for the last few years?

    Maybe just for that day it was proven to be his fault entirely, call it judgement day if you will.


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    #213
    Kitty6277
    Registered Users Posts: 6,204 ✭✭✭Kitty6277


    Of course he walks. I saw that coming when the trial started :rolleyes:


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    #214
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    comewatmay wrote: »
    The jury just found him not guilty?


    The jury found him not guilty of loaning money from his bank to people for the purpose of them buying shares in that bank and inflating/maintaining the share price. He (with others) orgainised loans from his bank to people for the purpose of buying shares in that bank and inflating/maintaining the share price. How he's not guilty, or how they found him not guilty has yet to be explained to me, nor do I understand.


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    #215
    Knob Longman
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    Cowards country


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    #216
    [Deleted User]
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    As he walked free from court,asked had he any statement about his aquittal, Seanie Fitz paused, and had this to say*:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzRQ4QrZnXQ


    (*in my head. g'way from me ye winged lawyer monkeys of Seanie!)


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    #217
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    He was never going to be found guilty and the others will walk too - the 'golden circle' is alive and well. Personally, I wouldn't have given him a trial and you can read that whatever way you want.


    Another brave keyboard warrior


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    #218
    K-9
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    He was never going to be found guilty and the others will walk too - the 'golden circle' is alive and well. Personally, I wouldn't have given him a trial and you can read that whatever way you want.

    Given your user name.....................;)

    There's a lot of people I wouldn't give a trial too as well, but the Irish courts aren't based on an AH wishlist.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #219
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    He was never going to be found guilty and the others will walk too - the 'golden circle' is alive and well. Personally, I wouldn't have given him a trial and you can read that whatever way you want.

    That's the way it works here, alas. When this type of thing happens again, there will still be no laws to cover wrongdoing. Fitzpatrick was just part of a widespread systematic rottenness that exists in the banking sector, regulator and department of finance.


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    #220
    mikom
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    As if Sean Fitzpatrick walks anywhere.
    Chauffeur all the way you proles..................


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    #221
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    Some people here want everybody they hate in society to be dragged into an alley with a bag over their head and shot, but if the bag was lifted, and they discovered there was there own family or friend that the mob dragged in, what would you want?

    This grasp at taking the zeitgeist opinion and ramble, and spouting it off as your own has riddled the internet and boards.

    It seems most people have ever had an original opinion that was there own


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    #222
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    The Ultimate Warrior wrote: »
    WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT COUTROOM WAS ALREADY WRITTEN; SEAN FITZPATRICK - for the walls of justice are built on fear WHERE GREATER MEN HAVE FALLEN FOR LESSER CRIMES - which has contributed to your false sense of security and invincibility but let it be known what goes around; COMES AROUND and should the warrior seek you out and you feel the strong arm of the ULTIMATE WARRIOR then the repercussions will resound -- within your family walls not just for those generations to come but that they shall be felt FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRR.................

    :D

    A guerilla press slam would sort the oul divil out!


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    #223
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    K-9 wrote: »
    Would you be saying that if you got a guilty verdict?

    I didn't keep up with the trial much, but my reading when it started out was that it would be difficult to get a conviction, especially when the stuff about the Regulator knowing about the loans came out.

    Given what we know about lack of regulation and a general laissez faire attitude during the bubble, it isn't surprising we had no laws to deal with what happened at that bank.


    ....the judge directed them to ignore all that about the regulator......We've no laws to deal with a lot of what went on, but we had some laws to deal with the share price issue.


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    #224
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Adamantium wrote: »
    Some people here want everybody they hate in society to be dragged into an alley with a bag over their head and shot

    Everybody they hate in society shot?
    Let me know when even one is dealt with.....


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    #225
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    It won't, it will be a matter of weeks before his pals like 'Mammy' in RTE have Seanie on their shows to complete his rehabilitation. The financial meltdown was like the Omagh bombing, and Monaghan and Dublin bombings, the Sophie Toscan du Plantier murder etc.etc. nobody was responsible... what a country.

    Seriously?

    Finding someone not guilty is NOT the same as not finding the guilty parties at all.

    And if you must, tastelessly, compare the desire for justice in an economic clusterfcuk with the search for justice in murder, the same rule applies - if there is not sufficient evidence to convict, a jury must acquit and the search goes on. Sometimes there are stupid mistakes and outright wrongdoings in investigations and prosecutions, but at least the ones you mention are the more benign opposite to the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six.


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    #226
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    It won't, it will be a matter of weeks before his pals like 'Mammy' in RTE have Seanie on their shows to complete his rehabilitation. The financial meltdown was like the Omagh bombing, and Monaghan and Dublin bombings, the Sophie Toscan du Plantier murder etc.etc. nobody was responsible... what a country.
    .

    Easily one of the most idiotic posts I've read on boards


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    #227
    ShaggyQueen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭ShaggyQueen


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    being in debt doesn't equate to being bankrupt. Not that hard to grasp really.

    Eh? The country couldn't pay the debt or finance the running of the country. Hence the whole bailout thing.


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    #228
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Adamantium wrote: »
    Its only justice if I like the result.

    Otherwise I'll simply resort to ad homenim remarks about the individual followed by a nebulous ramble, that is based on my own fanciful narrative (you were there of course, even though you weren't, so you'd know) and not the evidence presented.

    Please tell me where and when they burned all the evidence that could have been presented?

    End of line.

    That's not the suggestion, really. The suggestion is that some highly unethical behaviors should be illegal in cases like these, but our spineless politicians refuse to legislate against them.


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    #229
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    +1

    The faux outrage here is hilarious. Fitzpatrick was a wreckless ****e, and he was an integral part of an institution which led to a downturn in our economy . He's probably not the nicest man but I'm not going to pretend like I'm in a better position than the jurors in this complex trial to decide on his innocence.

    All the bar stool lawyers obviously think different though

    But you said it there in your post, he was a reckless ****e. At what point do you believe negligence should become criminal negligence?


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    #230
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Adamantium wrote: »
    Some people here want everybody they hate in society to be dragged into an alley with a bag over their head and shot, but if the bag was lifted, and they discovered there was there own family or friend that the mob dragged in, what would you want?

    This grasp at taking the zeitgeist opinion and ramble, and spouting it off as your own has riddled the internet and boards.

    It seems most people have ever had an original opinion that was there own

    My family and friends don't behave in the the way that the 'golden circle' behaves and thus wouldn't be in an alley with a bag over their heads. That said the way this country is going .....


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    #231
    ShaggyQueen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭ShaggyQueen


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    that's def not true. As much as you probably want to believe it. Majority of the population wouldn't even recognise him

    He lives in Greystones, I'm sure the locals would recognise him. But you know better than everybody it appears :rolleyes:


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    #232
    Judgement Day
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    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Easily one of the most idiotic posts I've read on boards

    You can't have read that many posts so. :p


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    #233
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    comewatmay wrote: »
    The jury just found him not guilty?

    They found him personally not guilty, they did not find that the loans were legal.
    The question put to them was not whether the loans themselves were illegal but whether Seanie knew about them and did nothing to stop them.
    It'll be interesting to see what happens to his colleagues. This isn't over until the entire trial is closed.


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    #234
    msg11
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    I'm actully thinking, if I vote Sinn Fein in the next election and they get into power and turn out just like all the others (which will happen) maybe the scummers will feel like they have been used and lied to and actually do something about it.

    Cause I won't be voting FF, FG or LAB ever again. It's not just there fairly on this, it's just everything there doing is exactly what they said they wouldn't do.

    I couldn't claim and allowance for a pencil parer let alone one for a pencil, yet it seems you can claim an allowance for just about anything once your a TD, seemly endless supply of cash for there own agenda yet we are told more taxes more cuts and shut the **** up.

    Honestly think it's time we start causing a fuss. I mean the amount we are been taxed and there is nothing to show for it.


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    #235
    Fentdog84
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    SF looks like he is trying furiously to withhold a fit of uncontrollable laughter speaking outside the court. Speaks volumes.


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    #236
    AnonoBoy
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    The financial meltdown was like the Omagh bombing, and Monaghan and Dublin bombings, the Sophie Toscan du Plantier murder etc.etc. nobody was responsible... what a country.

    There was a guy charged with the Omagh bombings just last week.....


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    #237
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    msg11 wrote: »
    I couldn't claim and allowance for a pencil parer let alone one for a pencil, yet it seems you can claim an allowance for just about anything once your a TD

    Don't forget about after you've previously been a TD :p

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1004/306947-ahernb/
    http://election.ie/2011/10/bertie-claims-e377k-in-expenses-since-2008/


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    #238
    darkpagandeath
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    People do not look ecstatic getting away with something they have not done or known about.


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    #239
    catallus
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    Such wailing and gnashing of teeth!

    High profile acquittals such as this happen regularly, not only in financial crime but in all sorts of offences; mercifully, the public and media have the memory of a goldfish. I have no doubt that the verdict was lawfully correct; anyone who expects true justice in the courts vies with corruption and hubris; and in cases such as this the serving of justice leaves a sour aftertaste; it is natural to see those who thirst for truth react violently when the law shows its true nature. Is there any solace for those of us who watch on in resigned befuddlement?


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    #240
    blackplum123
    Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭blackplum123


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    People do not look ecstatic getting away with something they have not done or known about.

    Wise words .


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    #241
    rawn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭rawn


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    Tax evasion is still tax evasion though. The garlic and apples referral tends to play down the actual seriousness of the crime.


    Do many people really know enough about the law and the evidence in this case to really hold a valid opinion? I know I sure don't.

    I was only making the reference cos the same judge presided on both cases ;)


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