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    #272
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    I didn't even bat an eye lid when this came up on my news feed. No one is ever going to pay for what happened except us plebs. And pay we do.

    This is the story of Ireland. The elite lord over us peasants. It's always the way in Ireland from the beginning of time. same name, different lord.


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    #273
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Seanie is probably booked into the K-Club for golf with Cowan and Kenny next Saturday.


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    #274
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,607 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Ah one of his lackeys , or just plain stupid and gullible.

    I'm stating fact. He was found innocent.

    That might not be true of the other two. We will see tomorrow or next day. But Fitzpatrick is innocent of these charges and it does not really matter how incompatible that is for randomers who automatically hate him for reasons they themselves can't even explain.

    BTW I hope everyone knows he will be back in court very soon on other charges arguably more serious so he is not free to go yet.


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    #275
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    The case was so weak as to fail, nothing to do with the jury.

    You have it in one. A show trial designed to fail from the outset..


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    #276
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    In case we all forgot this poor man got 6 years for importing garlic and labeling it as apples, doing the tax man out of a projected 1.6million. Anglo Irish has cost the country over 25 Billion as of June last year!

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-jailed-for-six-years-over-16m-garlic-tax-scam-26830346.html


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    #277
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Seanie is probably booked into the K-Club for golf with Cowan and Kenny next Saturday.

    They better bring their own wine, nobody can share Mick's bottle.


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    #278
    Piliger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    mad muffin wrote: »
    I didn't even bat an eye lid when this came up on my news feed. No one is ever going to pay for what happened except us plebs. And pay we do.

    This is the story of Ireland. The elite lord over us peasants. It's always the way in Ireland from the beginning of time. same name, different lord.

    What utter nonsense. You can be a self labelled peasant all you like. Leave the rest of us out of your class war fantasy.


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    #279
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Piliger wrote: »
    What utter nonsense. You can be a self labelled peasant all you like. Leave the rest of us out of your class war fantasy.

    Well cushioned pension, Eh.


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    #280
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Ireland is one of the most corrupted countries in Western Europe, the golden circle of bankers ride off into the sunset after playing a significant part in the destruction of Ireland while people go to jail for not paying a TV licence or an old age pensioner gets sent down for protesting against American military in Shannon.

    You're wrong: http://www.irishtimes.com/business/ireland-ranks-21-out-of-177-countries-on-corruption-index-1.1615524


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    #281
    Rezident
    Registered Users Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Hasn't this always been the way in Ireland - it is absolutely fine to act immorally and unethically as long as you don't break The Law (or have a good lawyer). And I was honestly thinking about starting to pay for a TV licence recently, clearly there's no need, sure it's Ireland.


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    #282
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Rezident wrote: »
    Hasn't this always been the way in Ireland - it is absolutely fine to act immorally and unethically as long as you don't break The Law (or have a good lawyer).

    Is it different in other countries? :confused:


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    #283
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    You're wrong: http://www.irishtimes.com/business/ireland-ranks-21-out-of-177-countries-on-corruption-index-1.1615524

    Ah yeah because an article in the Irish Times says it we'll take it as being gospel this country is rife with corruption, from Politicians, Bankers, Garda, Property developers etc etc etc the long list goes on and on, truly sickening they'd be sent to jail in other countries but here they get to ride off into the sunset.


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    #284
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'm stating fact. He was found innocent.

    That might not be true of the other two. We will see tomorrow or next day. But Fitzpatrick is innocent of these charges and it does not really matter how incompatible that is for randomers who automatically hate him for reasons they themselves can't even explain.

    BTW I hope everyone knows he will be back in court very soon on other charges arguably more serious so he is not free to go yet.

    This is an odious way to think. It may not matter to the courts but it certainly matters to those of us who think that justice matters.

    It has been shown time and again that the corrupt and the unscrupulous, be they bankers, or burglars or just plain unadorned thugs who take joy in violence are treated way too leniently by our system.

    To say "it does not really matter" is to treat the public person with contempt.


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    #285
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Ah yeah because an article in the Irish Times says it we'll take it as being gospel this country is rife with corruption, from Politicians, Bankers, Garda, Property developers etc etc etc the long list goes on and on, truly sickening they'd be sent to jail in other countries but here they get to ride off into the sunset.
    You didn't even bother to read it, did you?


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    #286
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Ah yeah because an article in the Irish Times says it we'll take it as being gospel this country is rife with corruption, from Politicians, Bankers, Garda, Property developers etc etc etc the long list goes on and on, truly sickening they'd be sent to jail in other countries but here they get to ride off into the sunset.

    Irish Times are reporting an international study, not doing their own study. Surely you realise the difference?

    http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/


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    #287
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    catallus wrote: »
    This is an odious way to think. It may not matter to the courts but it certainly matters to those of us who think that justice matters.

    It has been shown time and again that the corrupt and the unscrupulous, be they bankers, or burglars or just plain unadorned thugs who take joy in violence are treated way too leniently by our system.

    To say "it does not really matter" is to treat the public person with contempt.

    Who is the "public person" when he's at home?

    The fella who reads the news and has an opinion?


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    #288
    blackplum123
    Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭blackplum123


    Threats from the tax man over 100/200 euro property tax all over the air waves. Water taxes on the way .The ordinary working person is being ridden by this government . Protecting their buddies and f.ck everyone else.....


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    #289
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    blackplum123 wrote: »
    Threats from the tax man over 100/200 euro property tax all over the air waves. Water taxes on the way .The ordinary working person is being ridden by this government . Protecting their buddies and f.ck everyone else.....

    You realise the current Government had nothing to do with this court case?

    Do you want Enda Kenny to intervene and overturn the verdict or something?


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    #290
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    Property taxes don't prohibit you from owning property.

    How so? a recurring yearly tax on a house prohibits outright ownership,


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    #291
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    You realise the current Government had nothing to do with this court case?

    Do you want Enda Kenny to intervene and overturn the verdict or something?

    Could you provide a link to who was responsible for this shambles, who was the AG when they were charged.


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    #292
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    hju6 wrote: »
    How so? a recurring yearly tax on a house prohibits outright ownership,

    Like a recurring yearly tax on wages prohibits outright earning?


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    #293
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    Could you provide a link to who was responsible for this shambles, who was the AG when they were charged.

    In what way was the court case a shambles? Please explain

    I presume the AG was the same woman that is currently in the position, not sure when she was appointed.


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    #294
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    Irish Times are reporting an international study, not doing their own study. Surely you realise the difference?

    http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/

    Do you REALLY and truly believe everything you read are you that gullible as to think that this country is not rife with corruption.


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    #295
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Do you REALLY and truly believe everything you read are you that gullible as to think that this country is not rife with corruption.

    They look a pretty objective, reputable source. Seems to me like you're just choosing to say it's not true to suit your hysterical view on Ireland


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    #296
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    In what way was the court case a shambles? Please explain

    I presume the AG was the same woman that is currently in the position, not sure when she was appointed.

    Just to enlighten you, they took a prosecution against three people knowing the state had approved of their actions. Is that clear.


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    #297
    Stuxnet
    Registered Users Posts: 3,735 ✭✭✭Stuxnet


    Berlusconi had the right idea, hookers and cocaine parties, went out in style.


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    #298
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Phoebas wrote: »
    You didn't even bother to read it, did you?


    Eh yes I did and I believe Ireland is much worse than this '' study '' suggests.


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    #299
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,911 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Do you REALLY and truly believe everything you read are you that gullible as to think that this country is not rife with corruption.

    There is definitely corruption but the statement you made about us being one of the most corrupt in Europe is just plain incorrect


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    #300
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    Just to enlighten you, they took a prosecution against three people knowing the state had approved of their actions. Is that clear.

    To enlighten you, this government weren't in power during these actions


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    #301
    scamtown
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 11 ✭scamtown


    blackplum123 wrote: »
    Threats from the tax man over 100/200 euro property tax all over the air waves. Water taxes on the way .The ordinary working person is being ridden by this government . Protecting their buddies and f.ck everyone else.....

    two choices
    1 a peoples army is formed to overthrow the government Ukraine style
    2 we go back to the barstool and say ' sure it will be grand':rolleyes:


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