so Larry Murphy is back in Ireland. *MOD WARNING FIRST POST*

Femme_Fatale

Holsten wrote: »

Well you can change the type of offense to close to anything bar murder and the chances of it happening again are higher than your neighbor Larry breaking in and raping you.

Point is this fear is completely unneeded and unfounded.

You know full well it isn't unfounded.
I hate to make this a gender thing, but why not look at it from the perspective of a woman? It's so flippant of you to be that dismissive of people's fears, even if not realistic.

A person doesn't have to completely deny the concerns this raises in order to show how they're not part of the FM104 mob.

Femme_Fatale

syklops wrote: »

No thanks. Im going to finish my night cap and go to bed. I advise you do the same.

You "advise" me? But anyway, yeh... weird thing for you to say, and for someone to thank.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

syklops wrote: »

No thanks. Im going to finish my night cap and go to bed. I advise you do the same.

Bring two solpadeine for the morning.

TeddyTedson

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Well that's a bit more constructive than "Why can't he be left alone" as if he's a poor victim, which just looks trolltastic.

I was on my phone earlier so hadn't much time.
As for speculation to what other crimes he may have committed, I don't think people should be so quick to make the assumption. After examining someones house, car and I believe they actually stripped his house as he had recently built one. I imagine with modern forensics it would be extremely difficult to hide all the evidence.

This thread has bad news written all over it though so I think I'll bow out.

Femme_Fatale

TeddyTedson wrote: »

As for speculation to what other crimes he may have committed, I don't think people should be so quick to make the assumption.

I've no interest in what he's suspected of; it's not proven, we can't be going down that road.
I'm only concerned with what he was convicted of, which was horrific, but some folks are keen to minimise it.

TeddyTedson

Holsten wrote: »

Why only sexual offenders?

Why not everyone convicted of any crime?

I'd love to for a lot of crimes. There's not much in tagging some in debt family though for failing to pay their TV license.
I'd love to have every burglar, sexual offender, attacker and pretty much every dangerous criminal tagged for a set number of years. Then if a house for example is robbed the guards can check the system for the whereabouts of previous offenders. A minimum of 5 years would be a good start.

Holsten

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

You know full well it isn't unfounded.
I hate to make this a gender thing, but why not look at it from the perspective of a woman? It's so flippant of you to be that dismissive of people's fears, even if not realistic.

A person doesn't have to completely deny the concerns this raises in order to show how they're not part of the FM104 mob.

I'm sorry but IT IS unfounded. It simply is, all data and statistics gathered on this subject provide the evidence.

I understand the fear of course, but it's wrong and not in the right place at all.

Women should be vigilant of the dangers such as these ALL THE TIME. It's not the Larry Murphys of the world people need to be afraid of, it's your friend who won't take no for an answer after a few drinks. These are the most common ways rape occurs, Murphy's case is an extremely rare one.

Joan Burtons Sexy Knickers

This thread is bad news as Teddy has just said.

The whole purpose of this thread is mob justice. The main purpose is to locate and cause injury and death to Larry Murphy.

All the AH regulars can hide all they like behind "sure we are only talking", but we all know the real intent. Cause harm and death.

The Gardaí should be reading this as there are few posters here that should be getting a visit as a result of this thread. Shameful posting from some established users, absolutely shameful. They won't be all cocky when they are dragged away from their keyboards all crying and remorseful.

My 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

TeddyTedson

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I've no interest in what he's suspected of; it's not proven, we can't be going down that road.
I'm only concerned with what he was convicted of, which was horrific, but some folks are keen to minimise it.

It was horrific and I'd be of the opinion he hasn't served half enough time for it to put it mildly. The justice system is flawed and far too easy going. I don't think any person speaking honestly will deny it was horrific.

Holsten

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I'd love to for a lot of crimes. There's not much in tagging some in debt family though for failing to pay their TV license.
I'd love to have every burglar, sexual offender, attacker and pretty much every dangerous criminal tagged for a set number of years. Then if a house for example is robbed the guards can check the system for the whereabouts of previous offenders. A minimum of 5 years would be a good start.

Theres not much in tagging any type of offender at all.

Waste of time and money. Knowing where someone is doesn't stop them offending.

Mr Tagged can still rob, assault, rape.

shopaholic01

Joan Burtons Sexy Knickers wrote: »

This thread is bad news as Teddy has just said.

The whole purpose of this thread is mob justice. The main purpose is to locate and cause injury and death to Larry Murphy.

All the AH regulars can hide all they like behind "sure we are only talking", but we all know the real intent. Cause harm and death.

The Gardaí should be reading this as there are few posters here that should be getting a visit as a result of this thread. Shameful posting from some established users, absolutely shameful. They won't be all cocky when they are dragged away from their keyboards all crying and remorseful.

My 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

Arrested for having an opinion?

Uriel.

It's an interesting thread discussion. A bit confusing at times. But interesting nonetheless.

There's obviously a significant number of people interested in absolutely knowing the whereabouts of this guy at any given time (taking into account the thread, media, facebook etc.). Understandable.

One would wonder though, if there was a genuine, thought-out feeling that the sentence bestowed upon someone for such crimes was considered to be broadly erring on the side of leniency, why more is not done at societal level?

Surely, on foot of the Larry Murphy example, there would be a significantly influential lobby group ready to be formed, to pursue a call for harsher punishment and/or rehabilitation measures, via political means - notwithstanding any scientific/psychological etc. evidence/study regarding worthwhile punishment/rehabilitation methods.

It would also be interesting to see what people consider to be a justifiable punishment.

Holsten

Uriel. wrote: »

It would also be interesting to see what people consider to be a justifiable punishment.

Good post.

Going by the majority of replies in similar threads the only fitting punishment is torture and/or death.

Femme_Fatale

Would it really be that interesting?

Rational people: longer prison sentence
Kneejerk people: torture/death

There you go - fascinating.

Uriel.

Holsten wrote: »

Good post.

Going by the majority of replies in similar threads the only fitting punishment is torture and/or death.

While I wouldn't agree with that as a solution. It would at least once be useful to call people out on specifics and put on the table what they want. Rather than becoming borderline hysterical about these issues. It might be the general indifference that we have in this society, but people really need to start to understand that they actually, collectively have power to influence decisions affecting society.

TeddyTedson

Holsten wrote: »

Good post.

Going by the majority of replies in similar threads the only fitting punishment is torture and/or death.

It takes just one miss carriage of justice to show why no country should ever have the death penalty.
Maybe in a few years we will be able to put people into vegetative states or something, then if they're ever found to have been innocent we can bring them back and give them a TDs pension.

Uriel.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Would it really be that interesting?

Rational people: longer prison sentence
Kneejerk people: torture/death

There you go - fascinating.

so what's your point of posting in this thread as a matter of interest?

There are so much more than two categories of people.
There are so many more "solutions" than two?

Do you feel our justice system is broken?
If so, what would you change?
If not, why is Larry Murphy a particularly special case?

TeddyTedson

Holsten wrote: »

Theres not much in tagging any type of offender at all.

Waste of time and money. Knowing where someone is doesn't stop them offending.

Mr Tagged can still rob, assault, rape.

But with that along with longer sentencing and especially for second time offenders.

Fred Swanson

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Holsten

TeddyTedson wrote: »

It takes just one miss carriage of justice to show why no country should ever have the death penalty.
Maybe in a few years we will be able to put people into vegetative states or something, then if they're ever found to have been innocent we can bring them back and give them a TDs pension.

I'm 100% against the death penalty. It's just what the majority of posters seem to want in these types of threads.

As for your alternative... that is chilling.

Uriel.

Holsten wrote: »

I'm 100% against the death penalty. It's just what the majority of posters seem to want in these types of threads.

As for your alternative... that is chilling.

Hysteria is to be expected.
The worse posters are those who are acting hysterically but try to cover that up.

It's kind of weird to be honest.

TeddyTedson

Holsten wrote: »

I'm 100% against the death penalty. It's just what the majority of posters seem to want in these types of threads.

As for your alternative... that is chilling.

I know absolutely nobody should receive such a pension, but if you've been put into a vegetive state for 40 years after being wrongly convicted, I think the state should be more than willing.

Holsten

Hahaha!

Femme_Fatale

Uriel. wrote: »

so what's your point of posting in this thread as a matter of interest?

People were minimising the seriousness of his crime, it kinda depressed me.

There are so many more "solutions" than two?

Torture/death isn't a solution. Longer prison sentence is all there is when the horse has bolted. Addressing the problem beforehand would be of more benefit to everyone - recognising symptoms of harmful behaviour and there being intervention through improved mental health services (mental health covering a spectrum: psychiatric, psychological, emotional; sexual impulses). Easier said than done though.

Do you feel our justice system is broken?

I'm not qualified to give an opinion really, but it doesn't seem great that there are often pitifully lenient sentences handed out. I know this is complicated and relating to a constitution that may need upgrading. I assume some of it is seriously outdated (e.g. fathers' rights).

Femme_Fatale

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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You're... agreeing with that suggestion about the vegetative state yet were earlier berating people whom you thought might agree with mob justice?

Unless there's a joke somewhere in there that I'm missing.

Holsten

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Torture/death isn't a solution. Longer prison sentence is all there is when the horse has bolted. Addressing the problem beforehand would be of more benefit to everyone - recognising symptoms of harmful behaviour and there being intervention through improved mental health services (mental health covering a spectrum: psychiatric, psychological, emotional; sexual impulses). Easier said than done though.

I'd agree as well as doing this after a crime has occurred to prevent it happening again.

These are the types of ideas that bring crime levels down.

TeddyTedson

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

You're... agreeing with that suggestion about the vegetative state yet were earlier berating people whom you thought might agree with mob justice?

Unless there's a joke somewhere in there that I'm missing.

No I think they're just saying it was an interesting thought. :P

Fred Swanson

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Uriel.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

People were minimising the seriousness of his crime, it kinda depressed me.

While there probably has been, like there will be in any thread really, some "jokers" saying outlandish things, I don't pick up a sense of people minimising the seriousness of the the crime to be honest. I certainly wouldn't.

But at the same time, we have choice: we accept the justice system we have, or we try to do something about it.

For example, (and I am not comparing this crime to the crime at the heart of this thread), I recently wrote to Ministers Shatter and Coveney and to all opposition party spokespersons for justice, requesting, amongst other things a review of our strategy on dealing with animal welfare/cruelty situations, calling for legislative changes, awareness raising and education for the judiciary and a number of other ancillary things. I am one person, do I expect much to happen on foot of my correspondence, probably not.

But imagine, if on situations such as this (vis-a-vis Larry Murphy) people took a step back thought hard about what they really wanted (e.g. longer sentences) and took some of the hysteria out of it and actually lobbied for change...

TeddyTedson

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Youre welcome Freddy