so Larry Murphy is back in Ireland. *MOD WARNING FIRST POST*

Neeson

If it was someone else no one would know about it though. It's just Larry has a high profile. Most would forget about the other fella who was reported in the news there 2 years ago for the rape down the country.

Hitchens

Holsten wrote: »

How is it callous?! He has been through the criminal justice system and served his debt. By your logic his punishment should never end, ever. If you want that system of justice then get onto your local TD/Minster Shatter and inform him.

It's nothing to do with looking "edgy", it's a belief that once the debt is served then that's it, he should be able to move on with it. Punishment that never ends is not constructive to society. You think he is more or less likely to re-offend if he is followed and hounded everywhere he goes?

This type of hysteria actually increases the chances that he would do something.

I'm with Femme Fatale on this. Previous behaviour of the kind LM exhibited, is a good pointer towards future behaviour!

jane82

GenieOz wrote: »

What a stupid fücked up post.


The circle jerk thanking between Holsten and jane82 is laughable. I challenge either of ye to go to Baltinglass and explain your viewpoint.

Woah woah should I consult the people of baltinglass with everything I do? This is a country that doesnt support the death penalty. Im not saying I like the man. But by our laws he gets sentenced then gets out then gets on with his life. How many rapists live in the baltinglass area? Any idea? Id say more than one in wicklow anyway.

dark crystal

Holsten wrote: »

How is it callous?! He has been through the criminal justice system and served his debt. By your logic his punishment should never end, ever. If you want that system of justice then get onto your local TD/Minster Shatter and inform him.

Why should his punishment end? Does his victim's punishment end after 10 years I wonder?

It's nothing to do with looking "edgy", it's a belief that once the debt is served then that's it, he should be able to move on with it. Punishment that never ends is not constructive to society. You think he is more or less likely to re-offend if he is followed and hounded everywhere he goes?

Says who? You?

How is a violent rapist and suspected murderer walking the streets in any way constructive to society?

This type of hysteria actually increases the chances that he would do something.

What rubbish.

Rayne Wooney

The served his debt line is gas

If you had a 4 year old kid and an adult came up and punched them in the face knocking them out, after the adult goes to prison for a few months you'd be okay with them being around your kid again when they get out because they have "served their debt"?

danniemcq

jane82 wrote: »

I seriously think if he did it before he wouldnt have just had a plastic bag. Would he not have realised the first time that its not like the movies and you can poke holes in it?

MOD

Do not post in this thread again

SEPT 23 1989

this reminds me of The Border Fox" when i was a kid

I am pie

How very contrary. A "Let's leave Larry alone he served 10 years" campaign.

It is perfectly sane for people to want to monitor very closely the movements the wretch. If he turned up living next door to some of the people on this thread (if they have female partners) I wonder would they be so blasé.

Yes of course wife/sister/mother, call in next door to Larry, sure he's paid off some hypothetical/conceptual debt. 10 years inside watching TV and smoking fags has surely knocked all that rape and murder out of him.

This is a man when asked about his victim being alive said "She's Lucky"

Sound, can we not give a poor murdering & raping pyscho a break.

Rayne Wooney

jane82 wrote: »

No they wouldnt be trusted around my child

That's a tad hypocritical so

Femme_Fatale

Holsten wrote: »

How do you know he sees nothing wrong with what he did?

Of course he does, he has served 10 years in prison, completed his sentence.

"Of course" he feels remorse because he served 10 years in prison... wtf?!

I often agree with you on these type discussions - I don't agree with the death penalty, I don't agree with state violence committed against criminals, I don't think judges just dish out lenient sentences for the craic as there's a whole lot of legislation behind them.
But the stuff you're saying on this thread about his crime being no big deal is obtuse, crass bollocks.

Holsten

dark crystal wrote: »

What rubbish.

Do a small bit of reading on factors that effect recidivism rates and you'll see its far from rubbish.

the_monkey

131spanner wrote: »

I've never seen him, but they say he's as big as four cats, and he's got a retractable leg so he can leap up at you better.

And instead of a mouth he's got four arses ...

R P McMurphy

He fits the profile perfectly for a character in Dexter

Holsten

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

"Of course" he feels remorse because he served 10 years in prison... wtf?!

I often agree with you on these type discussions - I don't agree with the death penalty, I don't agree with state violence committed against criminals, I don't think judges just dish out lenient sentences for the craic as there's a whole lot of legislation behind them.
But the stuff you're saying this thread about his crime being no big deal is obtuse, crass bollocks.

You're getting mixed up there. I said I believe he should be left alone in peace. I never said if he felt remorse or not. There is no way to know that.

I am pie

Holsten wrote: »

Do a small bit of reading on factors that effect recidivism rates and you'll see its far from rubbish.

So there's a serious study out there that proves a link between posting on internet forums and increased chances of re-offending?

Two things.

1. My hairy hoop there is...
2. If there is is, then would you not be contributing to it by keeping the conversation going? However, point 1 is probably more relevant.

Holsten

I am pie wrote: »

So there's a serious study out there that proves a link between posting on internet forums and increased chances of re-offending?

Two things.

1. My hairy hoop there is...
2. If there is is, then would you not be contributing to it by keeping the conversation going? However, point 1 is probably more relevant.

What are you on about? Where did you get that from?!!

I was talking about the hounding he gets from the media, the hounding he'd get from the public, not a internet discussion about him.

prizefighter

Apparently he was tracked riding a great white shark down past cork and into Irish waters.

I am pie

Holsten wrote: »

You're getting mixed up there. I said I believe he should be left alone in peace. I never said if he felt remorse or not. There is no way to know that.

Left alone in peace? Agreed.

He should be monitored in covert fashion and his movements shared with the local population.

Does that somehow encroach on his "peace" ?

That would be part of the paying of the mythical debt equation for me.

dark crystal

Holsten wrote: »

Do a small bit of reading on factors that effect recidivism rates and you'll see its far from rubbish.

Something like this?

http://sapac.umich.edu/article/198

Now, perhaps you try reading up on the lifelong effects violence and rape have on the victims and maybe muster up a little empathy for them as well.

P_1

Not a fan of these 'such an so is now in town X according to some lad down the road' type witchhunts. All they do is cause hysteria and harm people who had nothing to do with the person who the warning is supposed to be about.

Yes what Murphy did is disgusting but chinese whispers and rumors serve very little purpose. I'd imagine that if he did move somewhere Neighbourhood Watch organisations will be able to spread the message in a non hysteria inducing manner.

Santa Cruz

Just saw him leaving Milanos. He went into Spar and got some lemonade and Tayto.

Holsten

dark crystal wrote: »

Something like this?

http://sapac.umich.edu/article/198

Now, perhaps you try reading up on the lifelong effects violence and rape have on the victims and maybe muster up a little empathy for them as well.

Ok quickly scanning over that I read:

"Most sex offenders are recidivists and commit other forms of interpersonal violence."

This is completely inaccurate. Sex offenders have the LOWEST rate of re-offending just under murder.

I don't lack empathy for his victim. The crime he committed was horrible and he deserved to be punished. I believe that once the sentence is served thats it, it's done, over with and finished and he should be left alone.

All this hysteria and scaremongering is stupid.

Frosty McSnowballs

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Just saw him leaving Milanos. He went into Spar and got some lemonade and Tayto.

Yeah but did he get a paper or plastic bag?

I am pie

Holsten wrote: »

What are you on about? Where did you get that from?!!

I was talking about the hounding he gets from the media, the hounding he'd get from the public, not a internet discussion about him.

I take it the "hounding" you are referring excludes now online discussion, but does include newspaper reports. Perhaps there is something in that, perhaps that type of criminal is fairly focused on print media only, you know...as a trigger for the raping or whatever?

Hounding, debts, left in peace, the whole "who cares" routione Tis all glib contrary nonsense. Crass to the extreme, online bravado which wouldn't play out in the real world is he moved into your area...even more so should that be a remote rural area.

Still, people seem to see through it on the whole which is encouraging.

jimboblep

I recall reading at the time he never underwent any form of rehabilitation in his time in prison and has never expressed remorse.
Surely this would increase the chance of his reoffending as he has not accepted what he did was wrong.
Also we are not privy to the details of his psycological reports but the fact the gardai still keep tabs on him suggests something in these reports troubles them .
Having high ideals is all well and good but risk minimisation should be the guiding principle with an individual like this

downonthefarm

The same people calling for his head will be the very ones crying to the cops when they meet a real criminal.
Keyboard hard men the lot of ya

cloud493

Who the fcuk is Larry Murphy

Fred Swanson

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freshpopcorn

Larry Murphy has being in almost every town/village in Ireland at this stage.

somefeen

Well I didn't have a clue who Larry Murphy was so I looked him up on Wikipedia.

I was thinking he sounds like an awful person altogether and I was starting to get worried then I got to the end

"Such alleged "sightings" frequently appear in the media and when they do so appear, the Gardaí often release statements to the contrary and reassure the public that the authorities are fully aware of the man's true whereabouts. Despite such efforts to allay fears, such allegations continue to regularly appear"




Be grand so