Numbers up Gerry

Wattle

No

My name is URL wrote: »

No not really. And save for the possibility that Adams the bogeyman is involved and gives you and others something to bleat on about; I doubt you care much about her either.

Regardless of who ordered it or what side did it I'd call it what it is a horrendous heinous crime. And if it had been carried out by loyalists I doubt you'd dismiss it so casually.

awec

No

Happyman42 wrote: »

There will never be any truth here, I doubt anyone can present evidence to categorically confirm it one way or another.

Nail on the head.

But that doesn't mean the questions won't continue to be raised.

K-9

Happyman42 wrote: »

Loads of families have had to move on, never knowing the truth. Why are some families, like the McConville's and Jerry McCabe's, more important though.

There will never be any truth here, I doubt anyone can present evidence to categorically confirm it one way or another.

Some do better at keeping the case highlighted, Bloody Sunday families, Rosemary Nelson etc. Some cases will resonate more than others, I'm not going to wonder why Rosemary deserved more attention than countless other victims.

I doubt anything ever will be proven, and IRA evidence isn't as good as evidence from a court of law which seems to have been demanded as proof by some posters on this thread. It's the "when it suits" type point again.

Happyman42

awec wrote: »

Nail on the head.

But that doesn't mean the questions won't continue to be raised.

Do you never ask why is Jean McConville such a prominent case?
Why isn't Margaret Gargan as prominent and why doesn't her family deserve closure?
The media's lust for Gerry Adams blood is why and the ever foolish 'Irish' people who play along in the game.

Tramps Like Us

awec wrote: »

I believe them when they say she was a tout (though, personally I don't believe this warrants an execution - but that's a separate discussion entirely). I also believe them when they say Adams was involved. Both are technically hearsay, but I believe both statements.

Do I think Adams will ever be convicted of anything? No. Nor do I think it's worth continual pursuing of any conviction - it would cost a lot and we would get nothing in the end.

What I am saying is that these questions will continue to be raised until all of the bodies are returned to their loved ones, and perhaps even beyond that. I reject the idea that it is a crusade against Adams to try and tarnish his name. I think this is an issue that will follow Adams for the rest of his life.

They were among the most unsavoury, and high profile incidents in the troubles and they are always going to attract a lot of attention given that they still are not all found. There will always be the question of "who done it?", especially because the Provisional IRA liked to view themselves as morally superior when it came to their military actions.

Fair enough your position is consistent.

But if she was a tout - a British Agent - that changes her from being an innocent bystander (which is the narrative and has been for many years) to being a participator, combatant or whatever you want to call it. I'm not saying it justifies disappearing anyone (it doesn't) but it certainly puts her murder in a different light/category.

This is more extreme, but Robert Nairac was also disappeared and I certainly wouldn't put his killing in the same category as that of an innocent person.

My own opinion is that if she was an informer (which seems likely) she was an unfortunate woman who was carelessly and disgracefully exploited by British intelligence, they knew what would happen. She must have been desperate in order to betray her community (like it or not in those days in Divis flats it very much was her community) including her son (who was in Long Kesh at the time as an IRA prisoner... he later joined the INLA)

That said given the circumstances she should have been exiled or something... a very sad chapter regardless

losthorizon

No

No matter what anybody says about him he is very house proud especially if it is somebody elses house.

Fred Swanson

No

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Nodin

Fred Swanson wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

What voter intimidation are you referring to, specifically?

Is there some reason you can't answer a simple question on a statement you yourself made?

Eight Ball

State media just doing what they do. Can't have a political party in power that would more than likely do the right thing and privatise RTE.

sabat

Essentially what Adams and his supporters are saying to the people of Ireland is "Shut up and don't ask any questions or I'll get the 'RA after you (again)." The man is a slimy, two-faced, opportunistic, murderous lowlife whose presence in the national parliament is just beyond offensive to all reasonable people.

Mark Twain

Eight Ball wrote: »

State media just doing what they do. Can't have a political party in power that would more than likely do the right thing and privatise RTE.

So wacko left-wing socialists like the shinners are into privatisation now? News to me....

LordSutch

No

Carlos Roca wrote: »

From what I know of her case she was warned a couple of times. If she continued after that point you'd have to wonder if the unfortunate woman was even able to understood the seriousness of the situation she was in.

Having said that, if she was an informer, I think they could have exiled her so that her kids could have had their Mother and been kept together - those poor kids.

But did they have the authority to exile people (if they didn't murder them)?

Did the IRA have the right to be judge jury and executioners?

Son Of A Vidic

D1stant wrote: »

Numbers up Gerry

Keep dreaming the dream, but unfortunately for you it ain't happening.

hotmail.com

Happyman42 wrote: »

Do you never ask why is Jean McConville such a prominent case?
Why isn't Margaret Gargan as prominent and why doesn't her family deserve closure?
The media's lust for Gerry Adams blood is why and the ever foolish 'Irish' people who play along in the game.

Why hasn't Adams admitted anything..the dogs on the street know he was involved with the PIRA. Perhaps if he just admitted it, the public will stop being interested. Many accept it was a war and wounds are beginning to heel, but those wounds won't heal until Adams coughs up once and for all.

Fred Swanson

No

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MadYaker

No

Adams will do whatever he reckons he can continue to get away with. And at the moment that seems to be lying to everybody and relying on a core of supporters who don't care whether he tells the truth or not.

Nodin

Fred Swanson wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

What voter intimidation are you referring to, specifically?

Is there some reason you can't answer a simple question on a statement you yourself made?

Are you in fact just lying?

michael999999

MadYaker wrote: »

Adams will do whatever he reckons he can continue to get away with. And at the moment that seems to be lying to everybody and relying on a core of supporters who don't care whether he tells the truth or not.

Striking similarities to the current and past leaders of fianna fail!

The Diabolical Monocle

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Keep dreaming the dream, but unfortunately for you it ain't happening.

This is right.

Certain people can poll all they like, and point and moan at the big bad Gerry, and stamp their feet, but at the end of the day these people will get nowhere.:)

Ryu Hayabusa

I respect and admire Gerry Adams as a leader, and hope these lies will not tarnish his legacy

hotmail.com

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

I respect and admire Gerry Adams as a leader, and hope these lies will not tarnish his legacy

His lies?

LordSutch

No

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

I respect and admire Gerry Adams as a leader, and hope these lies will not tarnish his legacy

Talking about Adams, there is a documentary about Adams and his mates on RTE1 Tonight @ 9:35 called "The Disappeared". Its all about Jean McConville and all the other 'disappeared' victims of the PIRA.

Jester252

bumper234 wrote: »

Would you say the same about the bloody Sunday soldiers?

What has that to do with the price of a pineapple? We live in a society where everyone is innocence until proven guilty. Last I checked saying something happen doesn't make it so.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

No

Nodin wrote: »

What intimidation were you referring to?

Sorry but where in the piece was intimidation mentioned?

.jacksparrow.

Jester252 wrote: »

What has that to do with the price of a pineapple? We live in a society where everyone is innocence until proven guilty. Last I checked saying something happen doesn't make it so.

This is something that seems to slip a lot of people's minds around here.

Nodin

Mary Scarce Rakish wrote: »

Sorry but where in the piece was intimidation mentioned?

Somebody brought it up, but has not had the common decency to explain themselves thus far.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87333321&postcount=154

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87338806&postcount=171

Sunnyisland

No

For people who never believed it was a war zone,there it is and how it was. (On TV now)

.jacksparrow.

realies wrote: »

For people who never believed it was a war zone,there it is and how it was.

And she was forced out of her home by protestants, interesting.

Femme_Fatale

D1stant wrote: »

Or will you slide away from this one too?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-iras-disappeared-return-to-haunt-adams-29721918.html

"The programme, The Disappeared, is to be broadcast tomorrow night on RTE One and on Tuesday night on BBC4 and will heap further political pressure on Adams.
In the tape recorded by Hughes, he says: "This woman was taken away and executed . . . Jean McConville. There was only one man who gave the order for that woman to be executed. That man is now the head of Sinn Fein and he went to this family's house and promised an investigation into the woman's disappearance.
"

Watching it now. Christ it's bleak. Some seriously visceral footage.

My name is URL

The way the media interviewed and questioned her kids a few days after she disappeared is the most shocking thing so far.