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Numbers up Gerry

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  • #152
    rockatansky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    No
    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    No, it is hard to get used to intimidation.

    Ah here I'm going to bed.


  • #153
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    No
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  • #154
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


    What intimidation?


  • #155
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Has to be the only forum in Ireland where you can hurl around allegations about certain people without presenting a shred of proof. Just biased 'hunches' will do.


  • #156
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    It seems that you can say anything you want about a person, so long as they are disinclined to sue.

    Back on the topic of the OP, mildly interesting that Indo article is (I think) the first time i've seen a media outlet publish that Dolours Price died by suicide.


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  • #157
    omega666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭omega666


    No
    I suspect this new program a re-hash of the interviews given by Brendan Hughes that was shown in the Voices from the Grave program shown a few years ago.

    Can be viewed on youtube, Part 4 from 6min 30 second in.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZTqVgq3R2A

    While he claims Jerry gave the order , He seems adamant Jean McC was an informer and her execution was justified.


  • #158
    Savoir.Faire
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 326 ✭✭Savoir.Faire


    There is something 'off' about Mr. Adams. There is something of the night about him.


  • #159
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    No
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  • #160
    Too Tough To Die
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    Savoir.Faire wrote: »
    There is something 'off' about Mr. Adams. There is something of the night about him.

    His sexuality is his own business.


  • #161
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    No
    Augmerson wrote: »
    It's suggested that in this documentary, people will say that Adams was definitely the person who gave the order. I might be a bit thick here but why aren't these people going to the Gardai or PSNI?


    I think the "bit thick" answers your question


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  • #162
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Really? Now his failure to respond in lengthy legal cases is further proof of your argument? How does he prove he was 'not' in the IRA without tearing apart the peace he has put so much work into?
    If his accusers had an ounce of practical common sense based in cold hard realities and thought things through, it might help here.

    He is one of the longest serving party leaders in the world, it's not as if the constant unproven allegations are doing him or his growing party much harm anyway.


  • #163
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    No
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  • #164
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    The show hasn't aired yet.

    As for previous allegations of the same nature, personally, I would guess it's because any remedy he might seek would be overshadowed by even the slightest incriminating factoid the media could get their mitts on.

    For as long as I have been walking the planet, the media have been trying to establish that Gerry Adams was in the IRA. If that came out, or could be established in the public mind in the course of any civil action, the character assassination would have been successful, and the original allegations would be forgotten about, or dismissed as unimportant anyway.


  • #165
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Really Fred? What do you think would happen if Gerry started hauling former members of the IRA into court to prove his innocence? Get real ffs, you really don't have anything only biased hate here.
    We are all asked to accept again and again that the British cannot reveal certain things about what they got up to because of how destabilizing that would be. The old 'for security reasons' line of cover-up.
    A child could see why Adams cannot go down that route, one thing he isn't, is selfish or self promoting, there is a bigger picture.


  • #166
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    No
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I have read plenty of hearsay from people with an agenda of one kind or another.

    But you reject all possibility of Adams himself having an agenda in withholding this information?

    Can't you see it's you that's being biased yet you keep levelling that accusation against those who are rightly suspicious of Mr. Adams.


  • #167
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    But you reject all possibility of Adams himself having an agenda in withholding this information?

    Can't you see it's you that's being biased yet you keep levelling that accusation against those who are rightly suspicious of Mr. Adams.

    I haven't rejected any such thing. Adams denies he was a member, I can't prove that he was, therefore I shut up.
    What agenda do you think he is promoting keeping it secret? Given that McGuinness has admitted his membership without any cost to himself, don't you think the possibility that Gerry wasn't a member is possible. Have you ever considered that the leader of a party setting out on a political road might sensibly distance himself from the militants? Whatever you think of him, you cannot think he is an idiot, without political nous, he is far from being that.


  • #168
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


    What intimidation were you referring to?


  • #169
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    In fairness to Gerry, he is the one claiming there should be no hierarchy of victims and that an international truth commission be set up.

    I'm sure the events surrounding the death of Jean McConville will come out in that.


  • #170
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    No
    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    I would question your age.

    Maybe the question I'm asking is making you uncomfortable?


  • #171
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    No
    This post has been deleted.


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  • #172
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    No
    Maybe the question should be "Why wasn't he in the I.R.A." Why did he leave it to the other young men and women of the North? It's not as if there was any signs of a great Peace Process in 1970 that would have engaged his talents.


  • #173
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    In fairness to Gerry, he is the one claiming there should be no hierarchy of victims and that an international truth commission be set up.

    I'm sure the events surrounding the death of Jean McConville will come out in that.

    It will never happen, the British government have too much to lose if it does.


  • #174
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


    What voter intimidation are you referring to, specifically?


  • #175
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Seaneh wrote: »
    It will never happen, the British government have too much to lose if it does.

    Sounds like Gerry might have a lot to lose as well.


  • #176
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    No
    keithob wrote: »
    it was a dirty war and some terrible horrendous killings took place on all sides by the brits uda uvf and republicans

    why price and hughes didnt speak out before their deaths is strange as they both completely disagreed with adams mcguinness strategy

    As far as I remember the book or diarys were written by people who were actively involved in the conflict/war, on the understanding that nothing can be printed until the deaths of the participants.

    Brendan Hughes disagreed with SF stragity as early as 2000,And was marginalised by the party because of this.

    On the OP topic,
    There should be some sort of truth commission for/on all the victims of the troubles,not just on particular ones to score some political points.

    IMO Gerry Adams was in The IRA and was an officer and did know quite well what was going to happen to jean mc conville,maybe it is time he stepped down.


  • #177
    oceanman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭oceanman


    realies wrote: »
    As far as I remember the book or diarys were written by people who were actively involved in the conflict/war, on the understanding that nothing can be printed until the deaths of the participants.

    Brendan Hughes disagreed with SF stragity as early as 2000,And was marginalised by the party because of this.

    On the OP topic,
    There should be some sort of truth commission for/on all the victims of the troubles,not just on particular ones to score some political points.

    IMO Gerry Adams was in The IRA and was an officer and did know quite well what was going to happen to jean mc conville,maybe it is time he stepped down.
    but your opinion dosent count in the grand scale of things..


  • #178
    D1stant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    No
    Poll added

    (sorry for the typo)


  • #179
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,783 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    oceanman wrote: »
    but your opinion dosent count in the grand scale of things..

    whose opinion does count oceanman? what if the other IRA people on the tapes back up what Hughes and Prices say. can they be discredited on the basis that they are anti the peace process?

    If gerry is guilty of ordering her murder, he politically can't afford to admit it and there will never be a criminal case taken against him.. so the only way victims on all sides may get a sense of justice is through what k9 suggested earlier.
    it's of little comfort to the familes of those killed, to cite the bigger picture, but that is harsh realpolitick of the situation- that goes for those murdered by both by the ira and the fru.


  • #180
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    No
    oceanman wrote: »
    but your opinion dosent count in the grand scale of things..

    It does when I vote.


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  • #181
    golfball37
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭golfball37


    No
    I believe he did know personally but had it been Michael Collins faced with an informer it would have yeilded the same result. The accusations about Adams surfaced really from Brendan Hughes' testimony, in that testominy he also says that the victim was warned previously and was subsequently in possession of a British radio device. I'm always amazed how his testimony about Adams is taken as gospel but his assertions regarding the victim are just ignored.

    Incidentally when are RTE/BBC going to do an expose on Dublin/Monaghan. 33 innocent people killed and our current taoiseach was part of the government that has questions to answer on the whole episode? or are we only interested now in 40 year old killings that SF/IRA are involved in?


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