Numbers up Gerry

Missyelliot2

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

I truly suspect a cunning level of subtle trolling within this thread.
WHAT?

Busted Flat.

No

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

If she was, there would be a little matter of her admitting her invovlement when she was alive no? She had already been to jail after all.


Boston college as part of their research and testimony would have taken steps before taping people to assess their credibility, and they obviously deemed Price and what she was saying was credible enough to include.

Who out of Boston College interviewed her ?.

WoollyRedHat

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

I truly suspect a cunning level of subtle trolling within this thread.

However, if not.

Let us examine the evidence.

• A recording from an ex-member of a prescribed organization.
• A recording from a mentally unstable woman.

Let us take the big bad Gerry out of this.

I will go on taped record as saying my neighbor is guilty of a local crime.
A separate person, ex-Ira, with serious mental issues will do the same.

(for the sake of the exercise I too am an ex-member of the Ira).


For some it would seem that is sufficient evidence.

Here we go again. The evidence has been taken by college researchers who as part of history standards and procedures would of have to follow certain guidelines. They didn't just pick any random person up on the streets of N.I who didn't like Adams and his involvement in the peace process. The PSNI are interested enough to try and get the university to hand over these recordings.

yizorselves

Trolls/Loudmouth Armchair Politicians, whatever. Empty can rattles the most and all that

Busted Flat.

No

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Here we go again. The evidence has been taken by college researchers who as part of history standards and procedures would of have to follow certain guidelines. They didn't just pick any random person up on the streets of N.I who didn't like Adams and his involvement in the peace process. The PSNI are interested enough to try and get the university to hand over these recordings.

Do you really know what you are talking about, have you a link as to who interviewed the people.

Happyman42

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Here we go again. The evidence has been taken by college researchers who as part of history standards and procedures would of have to follow certain guidelines. They didn't just pick any random person up on the streets of N.I who didn't like Adams and his involvement in the peace process. The PSNI are interested enough to try and get the university to hand over these recordings.

the police have them for quite a while now, and guess what...no arrests. It's 'hearsay' is the reason that it isn't enough to convict.

WoollyRedHat

No

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Do you really know what you are talking about, have you a link as to who interviewed the people.

Evidently more than you do, as you can't understand why this wouldn't be just hearsay evidence.

Ed Moloney co-ordinated it and Anthony McIntyre and Wilson McArthur are two researchers involved.

Wattle

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

I truly suspect a cunning level of subtle trolling within this thread.

However, if not.

Let us examine the evidence.

• A recording from an ex-member of a prescribed organization.
• A recording from a mentally unstable woman.

Let us take the big bad Gerry out of this.

I will go on taped record as saying my neighbor is guilty of a local crime.
A separate person, ex-Ira, with serious mental issues will do the same.

(for the sake of the exercise I too am an ex-member of the Ira).


For some it would seem that is sufficient evidence.

I'd be interested to know what your interpretation of Adams's role was prior to the beginnings of the peace process?

197th.User Id

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Here we go again. The evidence has been taken by college researchers who as part of history standards and procedures would of have to follow certain guidelines. They didn't just pick any random person up on the streets of N.I who didn't like Adams and his involvement in the peace process. The PSNI are interested enough to try and get the university to hand over these recordings.

And when that possible evidence becomes available you might have something other than.

• A recording from an ex-member of a prescribed organization.
• A recording from a mentally unstable woman.

For now it seems to me that you cannot separate your opinion of Gerry Adams from legal process.

D1stant

No

Bloody hell. You cant say boo about Gerry without a bitch-fest

Lets put it another way. Lets suppose (just suppose, deep breaths) that Gerry did order McConville's murder

What would your position be on him then? ( to Busted Flat et al)

Sir Bernard Wolley

Adams finally exposed as the murdering thug that he is.

Amazing those that defend him and Marty "Convicted of IRA membership" McGuinness.

197th.User Id

Wattle wrote: »

I'd be interested to know what your interpretation of Adams's role was prior to the beginnings of the peace process?

When did this become about me ?
Also, when did I say all those who suicide are liars ?

For the record I don't have any strong opinion of Gerry one way or the other.
I have some level of admiration for some aspects of his life, he rarely if ever comes up in my conversation.

Crooked Jack

197th.User Id wrote: »

Well someone said it on a tape some time or other to someone else so it must be true.

The same guy also said she was killed because they had extensive proof she was an informer, but certain people dont like to put as much emphasis on those claims as the ones that suit their agenda

WoollyRedHat

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

And when that possible evidence becomes available you might have something other than.

• A recording from an ex-member of a prescribed organization.
• A recording from a mentally unstable woman.

For now it seems to me that you cannot separate your opinion of Gerry Adams from legal process.

Of course they would of come from the prescribed organization, look at the bloody subject matter... they're hardly going to get inside information about the IRA and orders given from Mick and Mary down the road. The project on recording her decided she was not mentally unstable, yet you use this as a stick to beat her with. Where's your evidence she is mentally unstable?

Happyman42 wrote: »

the police have them for quite a while now, and guess what...no arrests. It's 'hearsay' is the reason that it isn't enough to convict.

It might not be enough to convict with two interviewees, but it is not simply hearsay, considering the people and their involvement within their IRA and their knowing Adams. If it was all useless, then why has PSNI been invovled in an on going court battle to get the rest of the tapes released, especially in relation to McConville's murder?

Busted Flat.

No

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Evidently more than you do, as you can't understand why this wouldn't be just hearsay evidence.

Ed Moloney co-ordinated it and Anthony McIntyre and Wilson McArthur are two researchers involved.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CFMQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishcentral.com%2Fnews%2FBoston-tapes-useless-in-tracing-Jean-McConvilles-IRA-murderers-217222881.html&ei=yux2UoapOs-Q7Aazz4HQCg&usg=AFQjCNE7YYKwNZHEwTpmSBWO5jf-5ezvZA&bvm=bv.55819444,d.ZGU

Bray says that in the archives, interview materials were marked only by a coded letter and court documents have used that coding to discuss which of the tapes Boston College is to provide to the Government.

But Boston College does not have a key to connect those coded identities to the real identities of the interviewees.

Boston lawyer Jeffrey Swope, who represented the university in the proceedings, has acknowledged that the school’s archivists have never had that identification key.



Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Boston-tapes-useless-in-tracing-Jean-McConvilles-IRA-murderers-217222881.html#ixzz2jdKcg7hv
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K-9

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I hope Adams starts to sue for defamation.

Amazing if actually does for a change..

Bit like Vincent Browne in the Presidential election debate holding up all the books saying McGuinness was a senior member of the IRA in the 70's and 80's. All crap apparently.

Funny that the same journalists and writers are seen as trusted sources when it suits.

Filibuster

No

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Evidently more than you do, as you can't understand why this wouldn't be just hearsay evidence.

Ed Moloney co-ordinated it and Anthony McIntyre and Wilson McArthur are two researchers involved.

I looked up Anthony McIntyre, the guy who interviewed the Delorous, and he's a dissident republican who hates SF. TBH I wouldn't trust this guy like I don't Gerry and Martin.

Busted Flat.

No

D1stant wrote: »

Bloody hell. You cant say boo about Gerry without a bitch-fest

Lets put it another way. Lets suppose (just suppose, deep breaths) that Gerry did order McConville's murder

What would your position be on him then? ( to Busted Flat et al)

If you have a problem with my posts or views just answer them.

Fred Swanson

No

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K-9

Filibuster wrote: »

I looked up Anthony McIntyre, the guy who interviewed the Delorous, and he's a dissident republican who hates SF. TBH I wouldn't trust this guy like I don't Gerry and Martin.

Anybody who gives accounts contrary to SF HQ advice will be painted as dissidents and malcontents.

Delores is pretty easy to put aspersions on. A poster mentioned McKee and Brendan Hughes as well. Hughes might as well be wiped from Republican history at this stage, so I already know the response there.

McKee might be different.

Happyman42

D1stant wrote: »

Bloody hell. You cant say boo about Gerry without a bitch-fest

Lets put it another way. Lets suppose (just suppose, deep breaths) that Gerry did order McConville's murder

What would your position be on him then? ( to Busted Flat et al)

That he may have been involved in something distasteful? My answer to that is frankly...so what? A lot of people where involved in nearly 40 years of distastefulness, and some of them sat down and hammered out a deal and stuck to that deal. That is what is now important, that and actual evidence that they where involved in either an illegal organisation or distasteful acts.

Evidence actually exists about the bombing of my local town and Dublin in which 33 people where disappeared (mainly innocent women) yet there are no 'Irish' people on here 'disgusted' or 'appalled' that the British Government won't release the papers relating to it. Yet they are happy to drag down somebody who is responsible for bringing peace and equality to this island and who is holding his organisation together. Probably the only man capable of that at the present time.
Full of biased nonsense that is not in any way helpful to a delicate peace process, would be my opinion of them tbh.

And before the attacks begin, I am not and never have been a SF supporter.

Busted Flat.

No

The problem with the anti Adams, SF, IRA, crowd is they can't handle defeat. Get over it and move on like the people in the six counties on both sides who know there is no future in violence. It is a tight balance to hold the line, hopefully the peacemakers can stand firm.

Fred Swanson

No

This post has been deleted.

WoollyRedHat

No

Busted Flat. wrote: »

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CFMQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishcentral.com%2Fnews%2FBoston-tapes-useless-in-tracing-Jean-McConvilles-IRA-murderers-217222881.html&ei=yux2UoapOs-Q7Aazz4HQCg&usg=AFQjCNE7YYKwNZHEwTpmSBWO5jf-5ezvZA&bvm=bv.55819444,d.ZGU

Bray says that in the archives, interview materials were marked only by a coded letter and court documents have used that coding to discuss which of the tapes Boston College is to provide to the Government.

But Boston College does not have a key to connect those coded identities to the real identities of the interviewees.

Boston lawyer Jeffrey Swope, who represented the university in the proceedings, has acknowledged that the school’s archivists have never had that identification key.



Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Boston-tapes-useless-in-tracing-Jean-McConvilles-IRA-murderers-217222881.html#ixzz2jdKcg7hv
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There's a lot of legal wrangling there. This doesn't discredit the entire project or render all of the interviews useless. There does seem to have been a **** up with the management of the project by the college though.

Wattle

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

When did this become about me ?
Also, when did I say all those who suicide are liars ?

For the record I don't have any strong opinion of Gerry one way or the other.
I have some level of admiration for some aspects of his life, he rarely if ever comes up in my conversation.

Well you're defending Adams pretty robustly here and I'm just wondering what you think Gerry was doing while all these bombings and shootings were going on? What was his role prior to the peace process?

timthumbni

Happyman42 wrote: »

That he may have been involved in something distasteful? My answer to that is frankly...so what? A lot of people where involved in nearly 40 years of distastefulness, and some of them sat down and hammered out a deal and stuck to that deal. That is what is now important, that and actual evidence that they where involved in either an illegal organisation or distasteful acts.

Evidence actually exists about the bombing of my local town and Dublin in which 33 people where disappeared (mainly innocent women) yet there are no 'Irish' people on here 'disgusted' or 'appalled' that the British Government won't release the papers relating to it. Yet they are happy to drag down somebody who is responsible for bringing peace and equality to this island and who is holding his organisation together. Probably the only man capable of that at the present time.
Full of biased nonsense that is not in any way helpful to a delicate peace process, would be my opinion of them tbh.

And before the attacks begin, I am not and never have been a SF supporter.

Yep. Gerry is fully reponsible for bring peace to Northern Ireland. Aside from it was his Ira friends and his scuzzy loyalist counterparts that were murdering people in the first part.

I really thank Gerrys mates and the loyalist scum for not killing the rest of us any more. You truly are princes of men. I feel humbled just looking at him.

D1stant

No

Happyman42 wrote: »

That he may have been involved in something distasteful? My answer to that is frankly...so what? A lot of people where involved in nearly 40 years of distastefulness, and some of them sat down and hammered out a deal and stuck to that deal. That is what is now important, that and actual evidence that they where involved in either an illegal organisation or distasteful acts.

Evidence actually exists about the bombing of my local town and Dublin in which 33 people where disappeared (mainly innocent women) yet there are no 'Irish' people on here 'disgusted' or 'appalled' that the British Government won't release the papers relating to it. Yet they are happy to drag down somebody who is responsible for bringing peace and equality to this island and who is holding his organisation together. Probably the only man capable of that at the present time.
Full of biased nonsense that is not in any way helpful to a delicate peace process, would be my opinion of them tbh.

And before the attacks begin, I am not and never have been a SF supporter.

Fair enough. Of course sh1t happened. And mistakes were made - on both sides. Lots of innocent people were killed. The issue I have is that I believe Gerry Adams ordered and had knowledge of many such cases. Has always denied so, and now he sits in our parliament. That for 30 years Jean McConville was buried in a beach in Louth and now Gerry Adams is the TD for Louth.

That really disgusts me.

Busted Flat.

No

Wattle wrote: »

Well you're defending Adams pretty robustly here and I'm just wondering what you think Gerry was doing while all these bombings and shootings were going on? What was his role prior to the peace process?

I would question your age.

WoollyRedHat

No

Happyman42 wrote: »

That he may have been involved in something distasteful? My answer to that is frankly...so what? A lot of people where involved in nearly 40 years of distastefulness, and some of them sat down and hammered out a deal and stuck to that deal. That is what is now important, that and actual evidence that they where involved in either an illegal organisation or distasteful acts.

Evidence actually exists about the bombing of my local town and Dublin in which 33 people where disappeared (mainly innocent women) yet there are no 'Irish' people on here 'disgusted' or 'appalled' that the British Government won't release the papers relating to it. Yet they are happy to drag down somebody who is responsible for bringing peace and equality to this island and who is holding his organisation together. Probably the only man capable of that at the present time.
Full of biased nonsense that is not in any way helpful to a delicate peace process, would be my opinion of them tbh.

And before the attacks begin, I am not and never have been a SF supporter.

Adams wasn't the only person sitting down at the peace process, just because he was involved in it doesn't mean people can't have debate on his involvement with the IRA in the past. It's not like people are picknig any old reason to have a go at Adams. That case you mention and the British government is not relevant to this thread, but by all means, start one about it, I'd be interestd in reading it.

I fail to see how it is biased nonsense tbh, he is an Irish politician, leading an Irish party and has mentioned in a case involving a woman who was abducted and executed. Should we just pretend that wasn't mentioned and go along into the distance?

rockatansky

No

Jesus not this again. So leader of Republican movement may / may not be responsible for persons death during civil war.

Do you know what, big deal. At the end of the day he's still going to top the Poll no matter where he stands. He doesn't back away from anyone.

Out of all leaders both north and south from the past 40 years he's the last man standing.