Numbers up Gerry

Missyelliot2

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

Why do you suspect him ?

Why wouldn't you suspect him?

Sir Bernard Wolley

This thread will be popular with the Adams fellators.

197th.User Id

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

Why wouldn't you suspect him?

A fair point.

yizorselves

Have to love the smugness and arrogance displayed towards Gerry. Talk about lookin stupid, you dont know sh1t!

Hande hoche!

No

Sir Bernard Wolley wrote: »

This thread will be popular with the Adams fellators.

And the West Brits :pac:

D1stant

No

Old news yeah. So therefore irrelevant that the leader of SF is further implicated in this



From Wikipedia



Jean McConville was abducted from her home in December 1972 by twelve IRA members, comprising both men and women, who brought her to an unknown location. There they killed her with a single bullet to the back of the head, allegedly making her kneel down before shooting her.[4] Among her abductors was Dolours Price, who has claimed that she did so on the orders of Gerry Adams.[5] Mrs McConville's body was buried secretly on a beach in County Louth, approximately 50 miles from her home. The IRA did not admit their involvement until over twenty years later, when they passed information on the whereabouts of the body.[6] After a prolonged search, co-ordinated by the Garda Síochána – during which the search area and time involved was expanded by the Gardaí – the search was abandoned, as no body could be located in the area specified by the IRA.
In August 2003, her body was accidentally found by members of the public while they were walking on Shelling Hill beach.[7] Jean McConville was buried beside her husband Arthur in Holy Trinity graveyard

yizorselves

Yes, from Wikipedia....

doh!

197th.User Id

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WoollyRedHat wrote: »

By two people who didn't want to be named until their death. There could be others and we don't know because they took part in the Boston College project and spoke on the condition that their names may only be released upon their death.

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

Why wouldn't you suspect him?

D1stant wrote: »

Old news yeah. So therefore irrelevant that the leader of SF is further implicated in this



From Wikipedia



Jean McConville was abducted from her home in December 1972 by twelve IRA members, comprising both men and women, who brought her to an unknown location. There they killed her with a single bullet to the back of the head, allegedly making her kneel down before shooting her.[4] Among her abductors was Dolours Price, who has claimed that she did so on the orders of Gerry Adams.[5] Mrs McConville's body was buried secretly on a beach in County Louth, approximately 50 miles from her home. The IRA did not admit their involvement until over twenty years later, when they passed information on the whereabouts of the body.[6] After a prolonged search, co-ordinated by the Garda Síochána – during which the search area and time involved was expanded by the Gardaí – the search was abandoned, as no body could be located in the area specified by the IRA.
In August 2003, her body was accidentally found by members of the public while they were walking on Shelling Hill beach.[7] Jean McConville was buried beside her husband Arthur in Holy Trinity graveyard

Well hearsay* is enough for me. Guilty as charged.


*from unstable individuals with strong political motives, one of whom killed herself.

Augmerson

It's suggested that in this documentary, people will say that Adams was definitely the person who gave the order. I might be a bit thick here but why aren't these people going to the Gardai or PSNI?

michael999999

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Oh yes, silly me.. they ****ed up and faced the consequences... do we now discredit all documentaries from the state broadcaster,which will also be aired by BBC, meaning two legal departments will have previewed it and made sure it is accurate andfactual, especially considering RTE's Prime Time cases in the past.

No the tax payer payed the consequences, did we ever find out the name of the legal firm that gave that Prime time the go ahead?

Busted Flat.

No

The people who are quoted in this program from what I have read are all anti peace process. Lets all go back to the early eighties and have another go. Is that what pravda wants to do.

WoollyRedHat

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

Well hearsay is enough for me. Guilty as charged.

You do know the difference between hearsay and recorded evidence given by people who were involved in the IRA and also in the murder of McConville no?
It's more than hearsay.

Filibuster

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

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Well hearsay* is enough for me. Guilty as charged.


*from unstable individuals with strong political motives, one of whom killed herself.

Dolores Price's evidence would not be hearsay. You could attack her credibility sure.

Karl Stein

D1stant wrote: »

Old news yeah. So therefore irrelevant that the leader of SF is further implicated in this

I'm asking the question because I don't know the answer - it wasn't rhetorical. I haven't really been following the case.

Femme_Fatale

Systemic Risk wrote: »

Sorry, come again?

It's in some folks' imagination that RTÉ has a particular political agenda. I'm not sure which one since it seems to change constantly. Some insist it's pro government, being the state broadcaster, because of course it has never broadcasted anything criticising whoever is in government, ever.

Pravda was a Soviet newspaper, because RTÉ, with its stream of commercial ad revenue is really commie. Or something.

yizorselves wrote: »

Have to love the smugness and arrogance displayed towards Gerry. Talk about lookin stupid, you dont know sh1t!

As opposed to the above devastatingly informative missive?

Filibuster

No

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The people who are quoted in this program from what I have read are all anti peace process. Lets all go back to the early eighties and have another go. Is that what pravda wants to do.

Jesus you're hilarious...

197th.User Id

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

You do know the difference between hearsay and recorded evidence given by people who were involved in the IRA and also in the murder of McConville no?
It's more than hearsay.

Well lets see.

From wiki, source of all truth.

"Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience nor can it be adequately substantiated.[1] When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. As a legal term, "hearsay" can also have the narrower meaning of the use of such information as evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted. Such use of "hearsay evidence" in court is generally not allowed. This prohibition is called the hearsay rule."

D1stant

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197th.User Id wrote: »

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Well hearsay* is enough for me. Guilty as charged.


*from unstable individuals with strong political motives, one of whom killed herself.

Wow. That really is scraping the end of the logic barrel. Whats the implication. Anything said against Adams is hearsay? Suicides are liars?. Please try harder

How anyone can defend Gerry Adams or deny his deep involvement with the IRA over many years is just beyond me

Filibuster

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

Well lets see.

From wiki, source of all truth.

"Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience nor can it be adequately substantiated.[1] When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. As a legal term, "hearsay" can also have the narrower meaning of the use of such information as evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted. Such use of "hearsay evidence" in court is generally not allowed. This prohibition is called the hearsay rule."

This would not be hearsay:

"Gerry Adams ordered me to shoot Jean McConville and bury her body in a unmarked grave" - Dolores Price

Wattle

No

197th.User Id wrote: »

Why do you suspect him ?

The fact that he was almost certainly IRA commander at the time. To me that says that he would have at least known about it. Also the testimony of Dolours Price, Brendan Hughes and Billy McKee.

Busted Flat.

No

D1stant wrote: »

Old news yeah. So therefore irrelevant that the leader of SF is further implicated in this



From Wikipedia



Jean McConville was abducted from her home in December 1972 by twelve IRA members, comprising both men and women, who brought her to an unknown location. There they killed her with a single bullet to the back of the head, allegedly making her kneel down before shooting her.[4] Among her abductors was Dolours Price, who has claimed that she did so on the orders of Gerry Adams.[5] Mrs McConville's body was buried secretly on a beach in County Louth, approximately 50 miles from her home. The IRA did not admit their involvement until over twenty years later, when they passed information on the whereabouts of the body.[6] After a prolonged search, co-ordinated by the Garda Síochána – during which the search area and time involved was expanded by the Gardaí – the search was abandoned, as no body could be located in the area specified by the IRA.
In August 2003, her body was accidentally found by members of the public while they were walking on Shelling Hill beach.[7] Jean McConville was buried beside her husband Arthur in Holy Trinity graveyard

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcain.ulst.ac.uk%2Fissues%2Fviolence%2Frubberplasticbullet.htm&ei=--Z2Uv-PDY6R7Ab-goGIBg&usg=AFQjCNG0ji7XvsVUsRaS2Wo85HSpDUEyiQ

WoollyRedHat

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197th.User Id wrote: »

Well lets see.

From wiki, source of all truth.

"Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience nor can it be adequately substantiated.[1] When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. As a legal term, "hearsay" can also have the narrower meaning of the use of such information as evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted. Such use of "hearsay evidence" in court is generally not allowed. This prohibition is called the hearsay rule."

Which is why the PSNI in colloboration with the US authorities are in a legal battle, trying to get their hands on the tapes recorded by Boston University... they'd just like to go through them for the laugh.

Missyelliot2

No

D1stant wrote: »

Wow. That really is scraping the end of the logic barrel. Whats the implication. Anything said against Adams is hearsay? Suicides are liars?. Please try harder

How anyone can defend Gerry Adams or deny his deep involvement with the IRA over many years is just beyond me

And voted into government - mind boggling!

Cool_CM

Filibuster wrote: »

This would not be hearsay:

"Gerry Adams ordered me to shoot Jean McConville and bury her body in a unmarked grave" - Dolores Price

Yes but it would then be pointed out that she was a vocal critic of Gerry Adams and would say anything to discredit him politically and she's no longer around to be engaged in discussion about specifics to prove it.

yizorselves

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

As opposed to the above devastatingly informative missive?

Smug, arrogant and condescending it seems

timthumbni

D1stant wrote: »

Wow. That really is scraping the end of the logic barrel. Whats the implication. Anything said against Adams is hearsay? Suicides are liars?. Please try harder

How anyone can defend Adams or deny his deep involvement with the IRA over many years is just beyond me

Bar your windows tonight. You obviously don't realise how the ira apologists work. Adams is a self serving &unt. Anyone with a brain can see that. Unfortunately most of his supporters don't see this. I'm glad he is bothering youse down south as aposed to here Northern Ireland. God help youse.

D1stant

No

Busted Flat. wrote: »

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcain.ulst.ac.uk%2Fissues%2Fviolence%2Frubberplasticbullet.htm&ei=--Z2Uv-PDY6R7Ab-goGIBg&usg=AFQjCNG0ji7XvsVUsRaS2Wo85HSpDUEyiQ

I'm sorry. I missed your point there relative to the discussion about Gerry Adams involvement in Jean McConville's murder

Happyman42

Oh goody, they are gonna start arresting people who gave orders to shoot in N.I.

197th.User Id

I truly suspect a cunning level of subtle trolling within this thread.

However, if not.

Let us examine the evidence.

• A recording from an ex-member of a prescribed organization.
• A recording from a mentally unstable woman.

Let us take the big bad Gerry out of this.

I will go on taped record as saying my neighbor is guilty of a local crime.
A separate person, ex-Ira, with serious mental issues will do the same.

(for the sake of the exercise I too am an ex-member of the Ira).


For some it would seem that is sufficient evidence.

WoollyRedHat

No

Cool_CM wrote: »

Yes but it would then be pointed out that she was a vocal critic of Gerry Adams and would say anything to discredit him politically and she's no longer around to be engaged in discussion about specifics to prove it.

If she was, there would be a little matter of her admitting her invovlement when she was alive no? She had already been to jail after all.


Boston college as part of their research and testimony would have taken steps before taping people to assess their credibility, and they obviously deemed Price and what she was saying was credible enough to include.