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Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

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    #602
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    jimbo2007 wrote: »
    Nearly 2 weeks on, is this still the same line-up today? has there been any change since this list and, any news as to when SD simulcasting will end for RTE 1?

    Thanks.

    It is strange that no date has been mentioned. Have there been more problems?


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    #603
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    The number of people on here complaining of mux 2 problems is anything to go by, it has probably forced a rethink for now. Too many coat hangers to upgrade:)


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    #604
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Elmo wrote: »
    . . . Have there been more problems?

    More problems? You mean there are known problems already? What are they?


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    #605
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    More problems? You mean there are known problems already? What are they?
    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    The number of people on here complaining of mux 2 problems is anything to go by, it has probably forced a rethink for now. Too many coat hangers to upgrade:)

    Individual customers.


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    #606
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Individual 'customer' problems caused by inadequate receiving aerial installs can affect either mux: most of the complainers here are those who say they had 'perfect signal up until mux 2 started', when in reality they had nothing of the sort. They are just the random number who happened to get a slightly worse signal for the 2nd mux.

    Anyway, 2rn don't do domestic receiving aerial installations, so nobody is a customer in that respect.


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    #607
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    Individual 'customer' problems caused by inadequate receiving aerial installs can affect either mux: most of the complainers here are those who say they had 'perfect signal up until mux 2 started', when in reality they had nothing of the sort. They are just the random number who happened to get a slightly worse signal for the 2nd mux.

    Anyway, 2rn don't do domestic receiving aerial installations, so nobody is a customer in that respect.
    Agreed but you can imagine the row on Joe Duffy if RTÉ1 suddenly disappeared from their "perfectly good up to now" coat hangers :D


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    #608
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    Agreed but you can imagine the row on Joe Duffy if RTÉ1 suddenly disappeared from their "perfectly good up to now" coat hangers :D

    Problems caused by not launching both muxes together.


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    #609
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Elmo wrote: »
    Problems caused by not launching both muxes together.

    How? Did people go back to using single-channel aerials?


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    #610
    Oscarziggy
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    What I can't understand is why since the launch of MUX 2 people have LOST channels.
    Over here in Wales if you fail to receive a MUX because your aerial isn't up to it then you get less channels.
    Why are people over there complaining that since MUX 2 launched they have lost channels that were previously ok.?
    Is it bad channel MUX planning --- if you remember Mt Leinster launched a MUX on ch45 which wiped out Preseli reception on the North coast of Pembrokeshire --- Preseli using ch45 as well ?
    Regards


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    #611
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Oscarziggy wrote: »
    What I can't understand is why since the launch of MUX 2 people have LOST channels.

    They haven't lost channels yet, as the 'old' mux 1 versions are still running.


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    #612
    Oscarziggy
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    I thought people were saying they have lost BBC channels etc?
    Regards


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    #613
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Oscarziggy wrote: »
    I thought people were saying they have lost BBC channels etc?

    Most that lost Freeview muxes due to Saorview mux 2 switch-on would be outside the Freeview service area in NI. Anyone in NI would be in a poor Freeview reception area.

    Most complaints of this nature would be due to Mt. Leinster sharing frequencies with Divis com. muxes. There might be issues between Castlebar & Brougher Mtn. in places too.


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    #614
    Mr Cumulonimbus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Mr Cumulonimbus


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    as the 'old' mux 1 versions are still running.

    Any date as to when these actually finish?


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    #615
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,523 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »
    Any date as to when these actually finish?

    No, I assume it depends on the level of calls to the Saorview helpline and probably posts here from people experiencing continued reception problems etc.


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    #616
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,508 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Cush wrote: »
    No, I assume it depends on the level of calls to the Saorview helpline and probably posts here from people experiencing continued reception problems etc.

    If they'd taken that approach to ASO, it probably still wouldn't have happened.

    405 was shut down only 16 years after it started here, TVs cost far far more in real terms then, there were no cheap STB converter options, yet there was no outcry.

    People have had ample warning that a decent aerial and approved equipment are recommended. If they want to wing it on a rabbit's ears and some dodgy receiver it's up to them, but they can have no guarantee of what they'll be able to receive.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #617
    marclt
    Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭marclt


    Has there been any *formal* notification to viewers to perform a retune?

    All I'm aware of is the one for viewers on the small number of relays where freq changes have taken place.


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    #618
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,523 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    marclt wrote: »
    Has there been any *formal* notification to viewers to perform a retune?

    All I'm aware of is the one for viewers on the small number of relays where freq changes have taken place.

    "Re-scan Required/Ath-scanadh ag Teastáil" information in the programme information banner, radio and TV announcements. They did place a notice on the 2RN/RTÉNL website but removed it within a few days, the same notice was emailed later to the trade according to Tony from satellite.ie.


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    #619
    larrymiller
    Registered Users Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭larrymiller


    Are yee all talking code or wha???


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    #620
    bigron2109
    Registered Users Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭bigron2109


    Ive a Aerial on the roof, but since this re-scan my RTE 2 has been unwatchable. But RTE 1 is perfect. Any suggestions.


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    #621
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    bigron2109 wrote: »
    Ive a Aerial on the roof, but since this re-scan my RTE 2 has been unwatchable.

    Is your receiver Saorview approved? Saorview approved receivers are supposed to store the channels with best signal. Other receivers might store the 1st they come across (lowest frequency) in the top EPG position, with duplicates (possibly including your best signal) further down the list.

    You need to know the UHF channel no. or frequency (in mHz or kHz) on which you are receiving RTE2 & also the transmitter your aerial is set up for.


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    #622
    Souriau
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Souriau


    RTEjr frozen on Mux 1 while on Mux 2 is still showing


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    #623
    bigron2109
    Registered Users Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭bigron2109


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    Is your receiver Saorview approved? Saorview approved receivers are supposed to store the channels with best signal. Other receivers might store the 1st they come across (lowest frequency) in the top EPG position, with duplicates (possibly including your best signal) further down the list.

    You need to know the UHF channel no. or frequency (in mHz or kHz) on which you are receiving RTE2 & also the transmitter your aerial is set up for.

    Bascially the set up is as follows,

    In the Kitchen we have a saorview approved tele, and the reception for the stations are poor there, apart from RTE one which is excellent. This is since the re-scan.

    In my room, i dont have a saorview tv, and the box i have is not saorview either but i was getting the RTE'S and TV3 in perfectly before the re-scan.

    We have a aerial on the roof which is what i used to get my RTE's etc.


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    #624
    Peter Rhea
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    Where approx. are you located? On which UHF channels/frequencies are you receiving Saorview mux 1 & 2 at each receiver? (Check RTE2 for mux 1, RTE1 for mux 2.) Do you know which transmitter your aerial is pointed at?


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    #625
    JeanClaude
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭JeanClaude


    Sorry for my ignorance but after I rescanned my Saorview box I'm only getting RTE1. By looking at the 1st page of this thread, I seem to be on the "MUX2" channel lineup and I'm not sure how to change to "MUX1".

    The Saorview box is the TVSTAR from LIDL.


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    #626
    Horsetiger
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Horsetiger


    I'm having the same problem - picking up RTE 1, RTE 1+1 and RTE jr but nothing on MUX1 - standard Walker Saorview receiver with 'One for All' aerial.


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    #627
    mandrk
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭mandrk


    Similar to bigron I'm having trouble with the channels remaining on MUX 1 since turning on mux2. Is this 'transition' complete and will channels now continue to be split over the 2 MUXs? Or will they all eventually move to MUX 2?

    I've been working off mt Leinster quite happily since march 2010. My aerial is in the attic. I have one TV connected directly to the aerial then another 2 via a wideband splitter. Ever since the launch of mux2 the signal strength and quality of the channels on MUX1 one are really bad. Those on MUX 2 are perfect.

    The TVs connected via the splitter seem to be suffering worse. Rte 2 breaks up continually on one TV and the other has lost it completely on rescan. The TV connected directly to aerial seems to be managing OK. But signal strength and quality is better on MUX 2 in this case too. So do I :

    1) move my aerial outside to get better signal?
    2) re wire all my cables directly to the aerial?
    3) wait for all channels to move to MUX 2?

    I've been waiting/hoping for number 3 to happen but I'm guessing this is going to be the case

    Find the information on this from saorview and rtenl has been pretty poor.


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    #628
    kooga
    Registered Users Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭kooga


    mandrk wrote: »
    Similar to bigron I'm having trouble with the channels remaining on MUX 1 since turning on mux2. Is this 'transition' complete and will channels now continue to be split over the 2 MUXs? Or will they all eventually move to MUX 2?

    I've been working off mt Leinster quite happily since march 2010. My aerial is in the attic. I have one TV connected directly to the aerial then another 2 via a wideband splitter. Ever since the launch of mux2 the signal strength and quality of the channels on MUX1 one are really bad. Those on MUX 2 are perfect.

    The TVs connected via the splitter seem to be suffering worse. Rte 2 breaks up continually on one TV and the other has lost it completely on rescan. The TV connected directly to aerial seems to be managing OK. But signal strength and quality is better on MUX 2 in this case too. So do I :

    1) move my aerial outside to get better signal?
    2) re wire all my cables directly to the aerial?
    3) wait for all channels to move to MUX 2?

    I've been waiting/hoping for number 3 to happen but I'm guessing this is going to be the case

    Find the information on this from saorview and rtenl has been pretty poor.

    4. what i did installed a masthead amp and an aerial power amp and hav eperfect signal


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    #629
    mandrk
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭mandrk


    kooga wrote: »
    4. what i did installed a masthead amp and an aerial power amp and hav eperfect signal

    Cheers. Can you suggest a power amp?

    Any thoughts as to why MUX 1 would be gone so poor when MUX 2 reception is perfect?


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    #630
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    mandrk wrote: »
    My aerial is in the attic. I have one TV connected directly to the aerial then another 2 via a wideband splitter . . .

    . . . The TVs connected via the splitter seem to be suffering worse.

    So the splitter is fed from the aerial-out of a STB at the TV point that is fed direct from the aerial?

    The channels won't all be moving to mux 2 btw: the launch of the 2nd mux was to increase overall capacity, allowing more HD services.


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    #631
    Oscarziggy
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    mandrk wrote: »
    Ever since the launch of mux2 the signal strength and quality of the channels on MUX1 one are really bad. Those on MUX 2 are perfect.

    Can anyone explain why this has happened ?
    I can't understand why switching on another channel should cause this unless the strength on MUX2 is swamping the wideband splitter -- if that is the case it isn't an amp that is needed but an attenuator --- variable ones are available which I have used in the past to overcome a similar problem with a receiver that had a very sensitive tuner.
    Oddly. that receiver would quite happily tune all SD channels (UK) BUT refused to find any HD channels (again UK) until the attenuator was used to reduce the signal.

    Just my thoughts ....
    Regards


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