Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

DeadSkin

banie01 wrote: »

Is MUX 2 active via Woodcock Hill?
I've just rescanned via my Tuner and all I can find is the current MUX 1 channels albeit with some marked as rescan required but I am unable to find anything from MUX 2.
What frequency and bandwidth is MUX 2 using from woodcock hill?

Channel 44 freq is 658MHz. Where is your aerial, attic or outdoor

DeadSkin

DeadSkin wrote: »

Channel 44 freq is 658MHz. Where is your aerial, attic or outdoor

Bandwidth is 8MHz

channelsurfer2

had a quick look at the aerial today with the ladder but still very windy to do any moving. aerial is this the triax version of this(no longer made seemingly).
https://www.satellitetv.ie/saorview_rte_aerials/saorview_long_range_aerial and it had deteriorated a lot in 3 years. Its black(and green) with dirt and moss from the rain.
given that its not on the chimney and signal level is reading at 44% I might be better off if kippure does work by getting a kippure group c aerial and putting that up something like this with the pre-amp thats up already?
http://www.tvtrade.ie/green-group-cd-uhf-aerial.html

banie01

DeadSkin wrote: »

Channel 44 freq is 658MHz. Where is your aerial, attic or outdoor

DeadSkin wrote: »

Bandwidth is 8MHz

Manual scan on 658mhz pulled in the new MUX, strange that an autoscan is only finding the MUX 1 channels.
Aerial is attic type but I am in direct line of sight to WC Hill and within 6km of the transmitter.

Peter Rhea

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

. . . aerial is this the triax version of this(no longer made seemingly).
https://www.satellitetv.ie/saorview_rte_aerials/saorview_long_range_aerial

The aerial pictured there is a Triax SR18. This is an Antiference XT48.

You posted before that it is a group B aerial. Kippure mux 1 on channel 54 is just above the top end of group B & the frequency response doesn't cut off that sharply. It should give you an indication as to whether it is worth your while changing to Kippure.

Thargor

How long is the old RTE1 on MUX1 expected to last does anyone know? Down in Galway if that makes any difference.

DeadSkin

Thargor wrote: »

How long is the old RTE1 on MUX1 expected to last does anyone know? Down in Galway if that makes any difference.

Think someone mentioned when Mux2 was launched it would be about 3 weeks. Maybe in a week or so!

Thargor

You'd think they could leave an SD channel running to avoid this crap. Hopefully someone will find some workaround like that the way they found that blank Aertel channel still running a while ago.

Apogee

Thargor wrote: »

You'd think they could leave an SD channel running to avoid this crap. Hopefully someone will find some workaround like that the way they found that blank Aertel channel still running a while ago.

That's just wishful thinking to be honest . It was inevitable that as more channels came on stream and more channels go hd that a twin tuner dtt tuner setup was required for full recording flexibility. It was just good fortune up until now that all channels shared the same mux.

kooga

I can assist all my family and friends with their successful saorview rescans but alas for myself.

Anyway did the in-laws today they live about 200m down the road interesting results

outdoor aerial v polarisation mux 1 channel 50 v Collins barracks mux 2 49 spur hill h!

Any thoughts?

Peter Rhea

Thargor wrote: »

You'd think they could leave an SD channel running to avoid this crap. Hopefully someone will find some workaround like that the way they found that blank Aertel channel still running a while ago.

The 'blank Aertel channel' is actually the encrypted RTE that appears on Sky.

channelsurfer2

Peter Rhea wrote: »

The aerial pictured there is a Triax SR18. This is an Antiference XT48.

You posted before that it is a group B aerial. Kippure mux 1 on channel 54 is just above the top end of group B & the frequency response doesn't cut off that sharply. It should give you an indication as to whether it is worth your while changing to Kippure.

yes apologies Peter dont know what happended with the link there.
it is this model - the triax.

http://www.digital4you.co.uk/products/TRIAX_SUPERGAIN_18_ELEMENT_GRP-94-10.html

vanman99

HELP - I did a rescan on a Triax t2-hd 115, I lost almost all channels, (all working fine before), only tunes 3 channels now RTE1, jr and +1. Any help how I get all the channels back, I've done a first install, manual tuning, auto tuning. Channel 55 + 49 Maghera region. Was helping out the in-laws set top and it looks like I just broke their box......not good.

Strawberry HillBilly

Maghera is Ch48 and 55

vanman99

Sorry correction, 48 & 55.

The Cush

vanman99 wrote: »

Was helping out the in-laws set top and it looks like I just broke their box......not good.

You haven't broken their box but you appear to have a signal reception problem with Mux1 (Ch 48). This is the frequency that carries the other channels such as RTÉ2 etc.

Most of the problems associated with this change appear to be aerial related. Can you describe the aerial setup they use, indoor/outdoor etc.? Recommended transmitter? Their approx. location?

Someone here had a similar problem last week and traced their problem to the co-ax plug into the box, once the plug was remade all returned to normal.

If you're using an indoor aerial try moving it a little to see if you can get the Mux1 signal back.

icdg

Merged a number of other threads on the same topic (losing RTÉ One after the rescan) into this thread.

Can we keep all the rescan discussion here. Because people are refusing to use the sticky, the rule now comes into play that future threads will be closed instead of merged.

Peter Rhea

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Peter Rhea wrote: »

The aerial pictured there is a Triax SR18. This is an Antiference XT48 . . .

yes apologies Peter dont know what happended with the link there.
it is this model - the triax.

http://www.digital4you.co.uk/products/TRIAX_SUPERGAIN_18_ELEMENT_GRP-94-10.html

Yes, the 'Supergain' or SG. (SR18 that I posted is actually a Blake aerial.)

Latest version of Triax seems to be the 'Digi 18', channels 21-60, 'with built-in LTE filter'.

galtee boy

What messing around are RTE doing with Saorview ? Almost every day, and more than once a day, since Mux 2 was switched on, when I switch on my tv, a Panasonic, I get the New Channels Found message, press ok to scan etc, but obviously no new channels show up, so why does the tv keep thinking new channels have been found ?

peking97

galtee boy wrote: »

What messing around are RTE doing with Saorview ? Almost every day, and more than once a day, since Mux 2 was switched on, when I switch on my tv, a Panasonic, I get the New Channels Found message, press ok to scan etc, but obviously no new channels show up, so why does the tv keep thinking new channels have been found ?

I think that may be related to the SSU Data channels. They seem to be coming and going somewhat intermittently of late. As a workaround you can always disable the new channel notification. HTH.

formerly scottish paddy

I think that when the duplicate Mux 1 channels are switched off things should settle down.

The Cush

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

I think that when the duplicate Mux 1 channels are switched off things should settle down.

How will removing 3 channels from Mux1 sort out the reception of Mux2 for people with inadequate aerial installations? It'll only make thing worse if people haven't sorted their reception problems when RTÉ1 is removed next week possibly.

formerly scottish paddy

The Cush wrote: »

How will removing 3 channels from Mux1 sort out the reception of Mux2 for people with inadequate aerial installations? It'll only make thing worse if people haven't sorted their reception problems when RTÉ1 is removed next week possibly.

I was referring to the problem galtee boy was having with his tv looking for "new" channels not people having problems receiving Mux2.

The Cush

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

I was referring to the problem galtee boy was having with his tv looking for "new" channels not people having problems receiving Mux2.

I'm wondering if galtee boy's problem is a reception related issue also? Mullaghanish Mux2 signal appears to be stronger than Mux1.

formerly scottish paddy

The Cush wrote: »

I'm wondering if galtee boy's problem is a reception related issue also? Mullaghanish Mux2 signal appears to be stronger than Mux1.

That seems to be the opposite of most peoples problems, with many saying that Mux2 is lower power.

Antenna

watty wrote: »

It's basically impossible to have Mux1 and not Mux2 with any sort of reasonable equipment.

In any decent signal area I agree.

In fringe areas due to a number of factors it could just so happen that one MUX is just above the 'digital cliff' and the other MUX just below with the existing aerial.
It would not be any different (RF wise) to the situation with analogue where more often than not in difficult areas one channel was a better picture than another (even though all received in the same band, from the same TX site, and at least on paper all the same ERP).

Saorsat is best avoided if at all possible for a number of reasons, so in this country there would be a greater percentage of viewers using Terrestrial in 'Fringe' reception areas than in the UK who would have FreeSAT (a far better alternative to terrestrial than Saorsat here).


BTW
Here's a report in a Cork Free newspaper about the retune with contribution from a poster in this forum:
http://thecorknews.ie/articles/saorview-users-advised-carry-out-simple-retune-12624

The Cush

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

That seems to be the opposite of most peoples problems, with many saying that Mux2 is lower power.

Mullaghanish is the opposite, I posted about it here earlier, higher Mux2 signal strength readings on various TVs/STBs in family members houses. Many of the other reception problems posted here don't appear to be lower Mux2 power but problem aerial installations such as set-top aerials, attic aerials and aerials pointing at the wrong transmitter.

Antenna

The Cush wrote: »

Mullaghanish is the opposite, I posted about it here earlier, higher Mux2 signal strength readings on various TVs/STBs in family members houses.

With what type of aerials?
Have a read of this for a possible explanation with the 'reflector' on many being too small for Ch 21 - but OK for Ch24 +)
http://www.wrightsaerials.co.uk/articles/whatsat-short-reflector-syndrome.pdf

The Cush wrote: »

aerials pointing at the wrong transmitter.

You could add to that aerials with wrong polarisation too !

The Cush

Antenna wrote: »

With what type of aerials?
Have a read of this for a possible explanation with the 'reflector' on many being too small for Ch 21 - but OK for Ch24 +)

My own is a Blake DMX10A. The others are using standard Gp A contract aerials.

galtee boy

The Cush wrote: »

I'm wondering if galtee boy's problem is a reception related issue also? Mullaghanish Mux2 signal appears to be stronger than Mux1.

I have no problems with reception, at least picture wise, crystal clear, no pixilation etc. I get excellent reception from both Mullaghanish and Mitchelstown, but Mitchelstown is much stronger even though its a low power transmitter as its only about 5 miles away as the crow flies, whereas Mullaghanish must be about 50 miles. Its just this new channel message that's annoying, but as peking97 said, I can turn it off.