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    #62
    Amirani
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    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Actually visits are a right in prison in Ireland, each remand prisoner is entitled to one 15 minute visit a day (excluding Sundays), each sentenced prisoner is entitled to one 30 minute visit a week. Visits have to be booked in advance.

    I presume there's a proviso here based on good behaviour or some such?


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    #63
    working fool
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    allthedoyles wrote: »
    • No food all day Tuesday
    • Brother not allowed a visit
    • Expected to lie on the floor
    • sponge type bed - with no blankets
    • Dirty conditions
    • water

    Spending a weekend in a&e in the Lourdes Drogheda is very similar


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    #64
    bumper234
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Why? Why should you as a prisoner who has broken the law be able to see your family when they just turn up? Do you think you could just walk down to Mountjoy or Portloise or any other prison tomorrow and expect to get in for a visit? Visits are a privilege that has to be earned and can also be refused.


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Actually visits are a right in prison in Ireland, each remand prisoner is entitled to one 15 minute visit a day (excluding Sundays), each sentenced prisoner is entitled to one 30 minute visit a week. Visits have to be booked in advance.

    Exactly. You have to book in advance. Is it the same in Peru or did her brother just think he could stroll in and se her?


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    #65
    enda1
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    Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »
    Was she pregnant going in or are there conjugal visits?

    Unfortunately a prison guard was probably the father.


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    #66
    Amazingfun
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    Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »
    Was she pregnant going in or are there conjugal visits?

    She was 19 when arrested and yes, she was pregnant when she went in. She gave birth to her daughter, and then after four months her mother took the child back to Europe. It's hard to tell from the subtitle translations, but I don't think she is too happy with her mother, for whatever reason.

    You can watch her segment here, starting @ 33:00


    **She is now a lesbian, apparently. I guess 8 years locked up with women left her no choice?


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    #67
    OhHiMark
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    This would be the same America that kidnapped illegally people from their homes and had them transferred to other countries for torture?:rolleyes:

    No it wouldn't, because America isn't a country.


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    #68
    bumper234
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    OhHiMark wrote: »
    No it wouldn't, because America isn't a country.

    Really? What is it? A state of mind?:confused:


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    #69
    OhHiMark
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Really? What is it? A state of mind?:confused:

    The USA is a country. A country that by the way, hasn't even signed up for the American Convention on Human Rights, making you look even sillier. This is about Peru.


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    #70
    Thoie
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Really? What is it? A state of mind?:confused:

    That's New York.

    America is a continent, generally divided into north and south America. North America includes The United States of America and Canada.


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    #71
    EyeSight
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    Can't see why people keep saying "they're getting charged for the full 11KG". Of course they are going to be charged for the full amount of drugs they were smuggling! why would the authorities charge them for any less?

    I am growing tired of the "new" tabloid headlines each day. They seem to pick the most useless facts about the girls and make it into a 2 page story


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    #72
    Matt_Trakker
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Yea, that's not racist in any way :rolleyes:


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    #73
    bumper234
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    Thoie wrote: »
    That's New York.

    America is a continent, generally divided into north and south America. North America includes The United States of America and Canada.

    But America (the united states) IS a country. Anywho back to the Peruvian issue of poor girls not getting foot massages or some ****


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    #74
    OhHiMark
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    But America (the united states) IS a country. Anywho back to the Peruvian issue of poor girls not getting foot massages or some ****

    The point is that the US hasn't even signed up for that convention, so I don't know why you brought them up in this case.


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    #75
    Fred Swanson
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    #76
    Christ the Redeemer
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    Thoie wrote: »
    That's New York.

    America is a continent, generally divided into north and south America. North America includes The United States of America and Canada.

    and Mexico.


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    #77
    carman2011
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    EyeSight wrote: »
    Can't see why people keep saying "they're getting charged for the full 11KG". Of course they are going to be charged for the full amount of drugs they were smuggling! why would the authorities charge them for any less?

    I am growing tired of the "new" tabloid headlines each day. They seem to pick the most useless facts about the girls and make it into a 2 page story

    the point is i gather they are being charged with 11kg EACH, as opposed to 5.5kg each , 11 total that they had hoped to be charged with.

    the 2 american girls got charged with 8kg and got 8 years, out in 2 years 10 months for the same thing.


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    #78
    spurious
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    Amazingfun wrote: »
    **She is now a lesbian, apparently. I guess 8 years locked up with women left her no choice?

    Not sure that's how sexuality works.


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    #79
    Topper Harley
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    Christ the Redeemer wrote: »
    and Mexico.

    Is that not Central America?


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    #80
    Menas
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    EyeSight wrote: »
    Can't see why people keep saying "they're getting charged for the full 11KG". Of course they are going to be charged for the full amount of drugs they were smuggling! why would the authorities charge them for any less?

    I am growing tired of the "new" tabloid headlines each day. They seem to pick the most useless facts about the girls and make it into a 2 page story

    This was covered a few times in the original thread. Peru sentencing is harsher if the amount is over 10kg.
    The girls had about 5.5 kg in each bag.
    So, if they had been charged and convicted of 5.5kg each the sentence would be lighter than if they were charged with 11kg between them.


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    #81
    TommyKnocker
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    EyeSight wrote: »
    Can't see why people keep saying "they're getting charged for the full 11KG". Of course they are going to be charged for the full amount of drugs they were smuggling! why would the authorities charge them for any less?

    I am growing tired of the "new" tabloid headlines each day. They seem to pick the most useless facts about the girls and make it into a 2 page story
    Each girl was caught with circa 5.5kg of cocaine. So they would receive a lesser sentence if they were charged with what they were actually carrying. It could be worse for them sentence wise if they are both charged with carrying the full 11kg.

    I know if I was in their shoes I would want my layer to argue that what was found in my luggage was 5.5kg and not 11kg.


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    #82
    DeanAustin
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    enda1 wrote: »
    Unfortunately a prison guard was probably the father.

    In Peru youre entitled to two conjugal visits a week or a month (cant remember which) according to some lawyer on The Right Hook.


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    #83
    Amazingfun
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    spurious wrote: »
    Not sure that's how sexuality works.

    Oh really.

    Try googling about the "down-low" that goes on in Men's prisons....plenty go homo while in prison, but stop once they are out.


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    #84
    GorillaRising
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    What I don't understand with these cases is that whenever the person or persons is found guilty and sentenced, everyone is up in arms about getting them released when it's plainly obvious they were 100% guilty.

    They broke the f*cking law! Smuggling drugs.

    Everyone knows the consequences of this by now.

    Like that Canadian model's mother speaking 'she doesn't deserve this, she made a mistake.' A pretty big f*cking mistake. Hey let's let everyone out of prison because 'they made a mistake.'

    I don't really buy their story about being forced either.


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    #85
    LOSTfan57
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    Mario Balotelli just walks into prisons as he wants its all grand like. Also I'm sure if they wer given a pet budgie then all is good


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    #86
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    NiallSparky wrote: »
    I presume there's a proviso here based on good behaviour or some such?

    No.


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    #87
    DeanAustin
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    Amazingfun wrote: »
    She was 19 when arrested and yes, she was pregnant when she went in. She gave birth to her daughter, and then after four months her mother took the child back to Europe. It's hard to tell from the subtitle translations, but I don't think she is too happy with her mother, for whatever reason.

    You can watch her segment here, starting @ 33:00


    **She is now a lesbian, apparently. I guess 8 years locked up with women left her no choice?

    I propose we round up all women and lock them up for 8 years.

    8 years of peace for us and no shortage of lesbians when they come out. Win win...


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    R P McMurphy
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    enda1 wrote: »
    Unfortunately a prison guard was probably the father.

    In a lot of south american prisons there are conjugal visits and also male and female prisoners can have free association and can have relationships


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    #89
    SyntonFenix
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    Meanwhile, a senior Spanish police officer said he did not believe they had been acting under duress.

    First Sergeant Alberto Arian Barilla, head of the Ibiza police unit responsible for countering organised crime, said: "In my experience, I don't think these two girls were forced to do this because - particularly when you go to South America - you need to pass several controls.

    "The first thing you do is go to the passport control and say 'listen, this is what is happening to me'. The policeman will react so I don't think they were forced."

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/michaellas-pain-irish-models-distress-after-she-is-formally-charged-29516820.html

    They're going to need to produce some pretty ground breaking evidence here to get off those charges.
    Mr Madden said the women had been kept in harsh conditions but had been treated well.

    "They are fairly tough conditions, there's not an awful lot to eat there, but she's been treated fairly well by the police and by the people in the police centre," he said.

    They could have dumped the cocaine in a bin in the airport and got on the plane. They could have gone to the cops and told them they were being watched and forced to carry suspicious packages. They could have alerted the authorities in Spain and not go to Peru in the first place. So many chances to not carry 11kg onto a plane.

    But no, they attempted to fly to Spain with 11kg of cocaine. In Peru. Where it's illegal to do so and comes with a price. This price comes in the form of the Peruvian legal and prison system. Whether they were forced or not, they're now part of the system that has "fairly tough conditions".


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    Nino Brown
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    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Oh really.

    Try googling about the "down-low" that goes on in Men's prisons....plenty go homo while in prison, but stop once they are out.

    Try googling fake moon landing, or new world order.

    They'll tell you we never landed on the moon, and the illuminati are about to take over the world.


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    #91
    saintsaltynuts
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    They haven't been convicted of anything.[/QUO
    Come on they knew what they we're carrying.By the look of them they dont seem to be all that fazed by it.Acting like they'll be home in a couple of weeks or so.Reality is going to hit home soon enough when they realize the severity of the crime they have committed.It wont be nice.


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