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Peru drug smuggling case - READ OP BEFORE POSTING

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    #32
    Amazingfun
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    Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »
    Sorry I'm wrong. It's the same jacket and jeans but the top is different. The hair's the same though.

    One of the interviews with the Police Chief said she was wearing the same black long skirt when arrested, with the slits up the side, the same one she is wearing in the video alleging she is picking up the drugs from the pizza place. She wasn't wearing jeans when arrested, according to them, so the only same piece she has on is the famous jacket (You can order it through Zara, apparently :rolleyes:).

    Melissa has different clothes on too.


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    #33
    goose2005
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    except for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, United Nations Convention against Torture, the American Convention on Human Rights. Oh sorry, it's a country of brown people so obviously everything is unremitting savagery.


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    #34
    Stheno
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    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Well that could happen in many countries, including Ireland.

    Yes but it's usually counted as time served, in Peru that is not the case.


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    Fred Swanson
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    #36
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    jack presley wrote: »
    Probably be out on bail here though

    not necessarily, they are foreigners, if two Peruvians were caught with that amount of coke here they wouldn't get bail.


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    hatrickpatrick
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Visits are not a human right they are a privilege.

    BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.


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    #38
    saintsaltynuts
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    allthedoyles wrote: »
    • No food all day Tuesday
    • Brother not allowed a visit
    • Expected to lie on the floor
    • sponge type bed - with no blankets
    • Dirty conditions
    • water

    Well if you cant do the time and all that....


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    #39
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    allthedoyles wrote: »
    • No food all day Tuesday
    • Brother not allowed a visit
    • Expected to lie on the floor
    • sponge type bed - with no blankets
    • Dirty conditions
    • water

    There is not one of the above that is a human rights violation.
    Human rights does not equate to what they would get at home.


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    #40
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.

    point is they are not.
    You don't have the right to have numerous family visits while in Garda custody either.


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    #41
    enda1
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.

    They were in custody before being charged. I don't know for sure but wouldn't be surprised if the same wasn't the case here. They had access to a lawyer which is the most important thing.

    If they don't as of now after being charged and put in a remand institute have access to visits then I'd agree with you.


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    #42
    hatrickpatrick
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    saintsaltynuts wrote: »
    Well if you cant do the time and all that....

    They haven't been convicted of anything.


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    #43
    PucaMama
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    They haven't been convicted of anything.

    But they were found with drugs weren't they? Drugs dont show up by magic


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    #44
    Rightwing
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    the peruvians probably understand now why Ireland went bust,,,,people expect the best of everything,,,even when they haven't a clue.


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    #45
    hatrickpatrick
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    But they were found with drugs weren't they? Drugs dont show up by magic

    Should we just dispense with the entire concept of due process then in every criminal case and convict based solely on police reports? They allege that they were coerced into carrying the drugs.


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    tipptom wrote: »
    Michaella had a smile when she saw the photographers when she left the police station,fame at last.
    She couldn't keep a straight face because they hadn't found the other 11 kilo hidden in her hair.


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    Fred Swanson
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    #48
    Amazingfun
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    I wonder if anyone caught with the amounts they have been has ever had a "not guilty" defense work in their favor in Peru?

    **Just as an aside, the French video on drugs in Peru showed a Dutch woman who was their age when arrested. She got 14 years and was still in Santa Monica 8 years later still trying to get her years reduced. She even had a baby in there!


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    #49
    Grayson
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.

    Prisoners who misbehave are thrown in solitary where they don't get visitors. this happens in nearly every country. The visitation rights aren't actually human rights as such, they're privileges.


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    #50
    PucaMama
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Should we just dispense with the entire concept of due process then in every criminal case and convict based solely on police reports? They allege that they were coerced into carrying the drugs.

    Wether they were coerced or not a crime was committed. By your logic should every criminal walk the streets free until its 100% per cent proven the done it? Should there be noone held in custody? Or should they be kept in 5 star hotel conditions?


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    Michael D Not Higgins
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    Amazingfun wrote: »
    I wonder if anyone caught with the amounts they have been has ever had a "not guilty" defense work in their favor in Peru?

    **Just as an aside, the French video on drugs in Peru showed a Dutch woman who was their age when arrested. She got 14 years and was still in Santa Monica 8 years later still trying to get her years reduced. She even had a baby in there!

    Was she pregnant going in or are there conjugal visits?


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    #52
    Grayson
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Pretty much. From what I've read, if they plead guilty they can get a trail date in a few months. But if they don't then they may have to wait years.

    Best stick to that story girls. that'll sort you out.


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    Amirani
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    I wasn't aware that time spent in custody pre-sentencing wasn't counted as time served. That's seems extremely unfair, perhaps they take it into account in sentencing though?


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    #54
    Michael D Not Higgins
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    Repost, sorry


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    #55
    bumper234
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    goose2005 wrote: »
    except for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, United Nations Convention against Torture, the American Convention on Human Rights. Oh sorry, it's a country of brown people so obviously everything is unremitting savagery.

    This would be the same America that kidnapped illegally people from their homes and had them transferred to other countries for torture?:rolleyes:


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    #56
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    NiallSparky wrote: »
    I wasn't aware that time spent in custody pre-sentencing wasn't counted as time served. That's seems extremely unfair, perhaps they take it into account in sentencing though?
    reading accounts of other cases there it appears as if you can get a huge part of your sentence off, sentenced to 6 years out in 2.5 years.


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    bumper234
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.

    Why? Why should you as a prisoner who has broken the law be able to see your family when they just turn up? Do you think you could just walk down to Mountjoy or Portloise or any other prison tomorrow and expect to get in for a visit? Visits are a privilege that has to be earned and can also be refused.


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    #58
    Amazingfun
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    Here's a Canadian gal with a similar tale to M and M:



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    #59
    Hoop66
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    This would be the same America that kidnapped illegally people from their homes and had them transferred to other countries for torture?:rolleyes:
    No, it would be "American" as in "Organisation of American States", the pan-American organisation that ratified the convention.

    "The Americas" refers to North, South and Central America.


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    #60
    bumper234
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    Hoop66 wrote: »
    No, it would be "American" as in "Organisation of American States", the pan-American organisation that ratified the convention.

    "The Americas" refers to North, South and Central America.

    Ah right so i will edit my question just for you :)
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Would this would be the same United States of America (American) that illegally kidnapped people from their homes and had them transferred to other countries for torture?:rolleyes:


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    #61
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Why? Why should you as a prisoner who has broken the law be able to see your family when they just turn up? Do you think you could just walk down to Mountjoy or Portloise or any other prison tomorrow and expect to get in for a visit? Visits are a privilege that has to be earned and can also be refused.
    Actually visits are a right in prison in Ireland, each remand prisoner is entitled to one 15 minute visit a day (excluding Sundays), each sentenced prisoner is entitled to one 30 minute visit a week. Visits have to be booked in advance.


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