Peru drug smuggling case - READ OP BEFORE POSTING

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allthedoyles

RTE say the have been formally charged .

So they are entitled to basic human rights , which they don't appear to be getting so far .

Mr Benevolent

Not sure why thy're getting such great coverage here, they're UK citizens. Nothing to do with us, really.

Menas

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Not sure why thy're getting such great coverage here, they're UK citizens. Nothing to do with us, really.

Michaella is from Monaghan. Her dad was in the irish army. She is irish. They moved to Tyrone.

enda1

I thought she was from Tyrone? Either way she holds an Irish passport so is Irish.

Fred Swanson

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Nailz

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Not sure why thy're getting such great coverage here, they're UK citizens. Nothing to do with us, really.

I wouldn't be so sure, the Tyrone girl has an Irish passport and therefore be an Irish citizen.

bumper234

allthedoyles wrote: »

RTE say the have been formally charged .

So they are entitled to basic human rights , which they don't appear to be getting so far .

What are they not getting? TV? playstation? menu with a choice of meals and desserts?

Kylo Ren

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Michaella is from Monaghan. Her dad was in the irish army. She is irish. They moved to Tyrone.

Yeah, but....do they like Tayto?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

allthedoyles wrote: »

RTE say the have been formally charged .

So they are entitled to basic human rights , which they don't appear to be getting so far .

What human rights are they being denied?

NIMAN

Its said that they could be held for 2yrs before even getting a trial !

fishy fishy

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Not sure why thy're getting such great coverage here, they're UK citizens. Nothing to do with us, really.

Majella Connolly is Irish - also before they were caught in peru her family had reported her missing - it was a natural follow up from the missing person story.

Stheno

NIMAN wrote: »

Its said that they could be held for 2yrs before even getting a trial !

Yes, if they contest the charges, if they plead guilty then they could get a trial within six months.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

NIMAN wrote: »

Its said that they could be held for 2yrs before even getting a trial !

Well that could happen in many countries, including Ireland.

Michael D Not Higgins

I noticed she's wearing the same clothes as when she was arrested. Are the suitcases being held as evidence?

Specialun

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

I noticed she's wearing the same clothes as when she was arrested. Are the suitcases being held as evidence?

they must smell

jack presley

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Well that could happen in many countries, including Ireland.

Probably be out on bail here though

Fred Swanson

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Michael D Not Higgins

Specialun wrote: »

they must smell

They might have been able to get them washed but it's possible that they had other clothes more suitable for turning up in court.

allthedoyles

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

What human rights are they being denied?

• No food all day Tuesday
• Brother not allowed a visit
• Expected to lie on the floor
• sponge type bed - with no blankets
• Dirty conditions
• water

PucaMama

allthedoyles wrote: »

• No food all day Tuesday
• Brother not allowed a visit
• Expected to lie on the floor
• sponge type bed - with no blankets
• Dirty conditions
• water

No food/water is unfair but as for the type of bed? They are in jail not a hotel.

Michael D Not Higgins

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

I noticed she's wearing the same clothes as when she was arrested. Are the suitcases being held as evidence?

Sorry I'm wrong. It's the same jacket and jeans but the top is different. The hair's the same though.

Rightwing

Is it too late to plead guilty now?

Dump the lawyers. A complete waste of money in a country like peru.

tipptom

Michaella had a smile when she saw the photographers when she left the police station,fame at last.

bumper234

allthedoyles wrote: »

• No food all day Tuesday
• Brother not allowed a visit
• Expected to lie on the floor
• sponge type bed - with no blankets
• Dirty conditions
• water

A Link to say they were not fed?

Visits are not a human right they are a privilege.

Why should they get comfortable beds?

Oh so they have a mattress but no blankets...in a hot country.

They will have plenty of time to clean their cell.

Link to say water is being withheld?

Banjo String

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Not sure why thy're getting such great coverage here, they're UK citizens. Nothing to do with us, really.

Irish passport insignificant to you?

lukesmom

allthedoyles wrote: »

• No food all day Tuesday
• Brother not allowed a visit
• Expected to lie on the floor
• sponge type bed - with no blankets
• Dirty conditions
• water

I read this also.

Belle E. Flops

I would imagine the problem with the sponge bed is how unhygienic it is.
God knows how many people have slept on it before them.

Thoie

allthedoyles wrote: »

• Brother not allowed a visit
• Expected to lie on the floor
• sponge type bed - with no blankets
• Dirty conditions

The reports I read said they were getting enough to eat, but could do with more to drink, not that they weren't getting anything to drink. Why are they expected to lie on the floor if they have a sponge type bed?

I'm sure if they call housekeeping, someone will be sent along shortly to clean their room for them.

Fred Swanson

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goose2005

allthedoyles wrote: »

• No food all day Tuesday
• Brother not allowed a visit
• Expected to lie on the floor
• sponge type bed - with no blankets
• Dirty conditions
• water

Interesting that no-one gives a damn about the jails down the road - in fact, the worse conditions, the better, but for jails thousands of miles away everyone's a humanitarian.

Amazingfun

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Sorry I'm wrong. It's the same jacket and jeans but the top is different. The hair's the same though.

One of the interviews with the Police Chief said she was wearing the same black long skirt when arrested, with the slits up the side, the same one she is wearing in the video alleging she is picking up the drugs from the pizza place. She wasn't wearing jeans when arrested, according to them, so the only same piece she has on is the famous jacket (You can order it through Zara, apparently :rolleyes:).

Melissa has different clothes on too.

goose2005

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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except for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, United Nations Convention against Torture, the American Convention on Human Rights. Oh sorry, it's a country of brown people so obviously everything is unremitting savagery.

Stheno

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Well that could happen in many countries, including Ireland.

Yes but it's usually counted as time served, in Peru that is not the case.

Fred Swanson

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Sir Humphrey Appleby

jack presley wrote: »

Probably be out on bail here though

not necessarily, they are foreigners, if two Peruvians were caught with that amount of coke here they wouldn't get bail.

hatrickpatrick

bumper234 wrote: »

Visits are not a human right they are a privilege.

BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.

saintsaltynuts

allthedoyles wrote: »

• No food all day Tuesday
• Brother not allowed a visit
• Expected to lie on the floor
• sponge type bed - with no blankets
• Dirty conditions
• water

Well if you cant do the time and all that....

Sir Humphrey Appleby

allthedoyles wrote: »

• No food all day Tuesday
• Brother not allowed a visit
• Expected to lie on the floor
• sponge type bed - with no blankets
• Dirty conditions
• water

There is not one of the above that is a human rights violation.
Human rights does not equate to what they would get at home.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.

point is they are not.
You don't have the right to have numerous family visits while in Garda custody either.

enda1

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.

They were in custody before being charged. I don't know for sure but wouldn't be surprised if the same wasn't the case here. They had access to a lawyer which is the most important thing.

If they don't as of now after being charged and put in a remand institute have access to visits then I'd agree with you.

hatrickpatrick

saintsaltynuts wrote: »

Well if you cant do the time and all that....

They haven't been convicted of anything.

PucaMama

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They haven't been convicted of anything.

But they were found with drugs weren't they? Drugs dont show up by magic

Rightwing

the peruvians probably understand now why Ireland went bust,,,,people expect the best of everything,,,even when they haven't a clue.

hatrickpatrick

PucaMama wrote: »

But they were found with drugs weren't they? Drugs dont show up by magic

Should we just dispense with the entire concept of due process then in every criminal case and convict based solely on police reports? They allege that they were coerced into carrying the drugs.

tipptom

tipptom wrote: »

Michaella had a smile when she saw the photographers when she left the police station,fame at last.

She couldn't keep a straight face because they hadn't found the other 11 kilo hidden in her hair.

Fred Swanson

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Amazingfun

I wonder if anyone caught with the amounts they have been has ever had a "not guilty" defense work in their favor in Peru?

**Just as an aside, the French video on drugs in Peru showed a Dutch woman who was their age when arrested. She got 14 years and was still in Santa Monica 8 years later still trying to get her years reduced. She even had a baby in there!

Grayson

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

BS. If they're not a formal human right they sure as f*ck should be.

Prisoners who misbehave are thrown in solitary where they don't get visitors. this happens in nearly every country. The visitation rights aren't actually human rights as such, they're privileges.

PucaMama

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Should we just dispense with the entire concept of due process then in every criminal case and convict based solely on police reports? They allege that they were coerced into carrying the drugs.

Wether they were coerced or not a crime was committed. By your logic should every criminal walk the streets free until its 100% per cent proven the done it? Should there be noone held in custody? Or should they be kept in 5 star hotel conditions?

Michael D Not Higgins

Amazingfun wrote: »

I wonder if anyone caught with the amounts they have been has ever had a "not guilty" defense work in their favor in Peru?

**Just as an aside, the French video on drugs in Peru showed a Dutch woman who was their age when arrested. She got 14 years and was still in Santa Monica 8 years later still trying to get her years reduced. She even had a baby in there!

Was she pregnant going in or are there conjugal visits?