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Irish teenager is 'being beaten to hell' in a Cairo prison

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    #122
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    I agree Frosty Jack..both sides are capable of atrocity. It is most certainly not black and white, but then that's life, it's complex...no matter what side we take or even if we sit on the fence, we can not know the full story. The MB certainly threw away their opportunity after the election with both hands. But I can also see why people would protest against a coup.
    Can you also see why people would protest against returning the Muslim Brotherhood back to power?


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    #123
    up for anything
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    He is an man of influence. His minor child is involved, has been possibly captured and beaten in a foreign country. What's so hard to understand?

    That is supposition, not evidence. :confused:


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    #124
    Capercaille
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    They don't look too Irish to me. The government should not get involved.


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    #125
    Boombastic
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    up for anything wrote: »
    That is supposition, not evidence. :confused:

    You were the one that declared it as 'fact', I think I described it as 'interesting'


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    #126
    bumper234
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    Capercaille wrote: »
    They don't look too Irish to me. The government should not get involved.

    Oh please do elaborate? Should they have Ginger hair and freckles to be considered Irish?


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    #127
    Capercaille
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Oh please do elaborate? Should they have Ginger hair and freckles to be considered Irish?
    If they don't have Irish blood in them, then they aren't Irish in my book.


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    #128
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Capercaille wrote: »
    If they don't have Irish blood in them, then they aren't Irish in my book.

    I donated blood during the war in Lebanon ~ have I made the recipients Irish?.


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    #129
    bumper234
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    Capercaille wrote: »
    If they don't have Irish blood in them, then they aren't Irish in my book.

    Lol the worst excuse for racism EVER!!!! Thank god your "book" is meaningless:rolleyes:


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    #130
    up for anything
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    A man with such influence willing to sacrifice his family for the cause in Egypt, interesting
    Boombastic wrote: »
    You were the one that declared it as 'fact', I think I described it as 'interesting'

    The way you wrote it I'm still reading it as fact which is something I find interesting. We can all make up things which are interesting. :confused:


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    #131
    photofinish
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭photofinish


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Lol the worst excuse for racism EVER!!!! Thank god your "book" is meaningless:rolleyes:

    The people in the photo I seen are Arabs.
    By the way I quite like Arabs and from what I have seen of them they seem a nice family and they should be helped.
    Is being Irish better then being an Arab? NO.
    Being Irish is about having a family tree that can be traced back generations.

    This is an Arab family that have been granted Irish citizenship.
    If I moved to China and got granted Chinese citizenship would I then be a Chinese man?:rolleyes:
    If a family of dolphins decided to live with sharks and they are accepted to the dolphins now become sharks?


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    #132
    Boombastic
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    up for anything wrote: »
    The way you wrote it I'm still reading it as fact which is something I find interesting. We can all make up things which are interesting. :confused:

    What am I making up and what evidence have you :pac: ?


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    #133
    bumper234
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    photofinish wrote: »
    The people is the photo I seen are Arabs.
    By the way I quite like Arabs and from what I have seen of them they seem a nice family and they should be helped.
    Is being Irish better then being an Arab? NO.
    Being Irish is about having a family tree that can be traced back generations.

    This is an Arab family that have been granted Irish citizenship.

    If I moved to China and got granted Chinese citizenship would I then be a Chinese man?:rolleyes:

    If a family of dolphins decided to live with sharks and they are accepted to the dolphins now become sharks?

    If someone is granted citizenship how long must they wait until they are considered "Irish"?
    10 years?

    30 years?

    100 year?:rolleyes:


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    #134
    paddy147
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Lol the worst excuse for racism EVER!!!! Thank god your "book" is meaningless:rolleyes:


    allah...:pac::pac:


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    #135
    Wacker The Attacker
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    Duck's hoop wrote: »
    There are many Irish holidaymakers there as we write smart comments. Most of them not being tortured in jail.


    There is a very clear difference between being caught in situation beyond your control and putting yourself in harms way.

    Now unless you have been living in a cave since this whole conflict started you should be fully aware that travelling to Egypt at the present time is a bad idea.


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    #136
    paddy147
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Oh please do elaborate? Should they have Ginger hair and freckles to be considered Irish?


    "Ah to be sure to be sure".

    "Now wheres me pot of gold"


    :pac::D



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    #137
    Nodin
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    No it's implying that they were not there to cause trouble because they were women.

    Au contraire, its pointing out he hardly went looking for trouble with three females in attendance.

    You implied that the young man in Egypt was there to 'fight'. Why did you do that?
    Boombastic wrote: »
    The peaceful protests were being attacked as early as Wednesday so they had to have some suspicion of what could possibly happen,. This boy is 17. Who was his guardian on this trip and why didn't they remove him from such a situation?.

    ...they hid in the mosque. You were blaming the young lad before, now its the guardian. Please make up your mind.
    Boombastic wrote: »
    just wondering if they are willing to travel a couple of thousand miles to protest, did they attend any on their doorstep in their country of citizenship?

    They didn't travel to protest, as they arrived in June.


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    #138
    photofinish
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭photofinish


    bumper234 wrote: »
    If someone is granted citizenship how long must they wait until they are considered "Irish"?
    10 years?

    30 years?

    100 year?:rolleyes:

    Well it depends on how we want to define things.
    These people are clearly 100% Muslim and from the picture have no DNA from any of the long established indigenous people of this island.

    In the Politically correct dogma they can be called Irish now but that is not what comes to mind when a photo of them is viewed.

    If they start to integrate there children could say they had one Arab parent but they live in Ireland that would be mostly Irish.
    The following generation would be Irish but would have some Arab ancestors.
    I would not expect to settle in Egypt keep my own religion and customs not mix and call myself and Arab.
    Again I have no problem with Muslims and we could learn a thing or two from them as regards our drink culture.

    I would treat this family the same either way Arab or Irish but using the term Irish just seems forced.


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    #139
    Nodin
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    Chris Fit Terrier wrote: »
    I donated blood during the war in Lebanon ~ have I made the recipients Irish?.


    That's you and yer liberal multi-cultural agenda. Somewhere now, an Arab fella is gasping for a pint and a batter burger with no idea why.


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    #140
    Boombastic
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Au contraire, its pointing out he hardly went looking for trouble with three females in attendance.

    You implied that the young man in Egypt was there to 'fight'. Why did you do that?



    ...they hid in the mosque. You were blaming the young lad before, now its the guardian. Please make up your mind.



    They didn't travel to protest, as they arrived in June.
    Which is sexist.

    They admitted they attended a protest. so while they didn't travel specifically for this protest, they made it their business to be at the site of the protest that day.

    If a child is under 18 the parents/guardian is responsible


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    #141
    Wacker The Attacker
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    Leftist wrote: »
    If they were white, irish born citizens who were arrested in a foreign state for participating in a peaceful process, they would be receiving a far different perspective from the same people who are suggesting they 'knew what they are getting into'

    The difference in perspective is judged by these people entirely on ethnicity and race.

    There are inherent dangers in travelling to Egypt. These this should immediately apparent to anyone with one iota of common sense.

    "participating in a peaceful process", is a criminally oversimplified and quite frankly, horribly naïve description of the current situation. No doubt their actions are well intentioned and the process they were involved in was non violent but they should have been aware of the risks involved from outside.


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    #142
    bumper234
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    photofinish wrote: »
    Well it depends on how we want to define things.
    These people are clearly 100% Muslim and from the picture have no DNA from any of the long established indigenous people of this island.

    In the Politically correct dogma they can be called Irish now but that is not what comes to mind when a photo of them is viewed.

    If they start to integrate there children could say they had one Arab parent but they live in Ireland that would be mostly Irish.
    The following generation would be Irish but would have some Arab ancestors.
    I would not expect to settle in Egypt keep my own religion and customs not mix and call myself and Arab.
    Again I have no problem with Muslims and we could learn a thing or two from them as regards our drink culture.

    I would treat this family the same either way Arab or Irish but using the term Irish just seems forced.

    Would it surprise you if it was shown that the young lad was actually born here?

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0817/468686-dublin-imams-family-in-besieged-cairo-mosque/

    Speaking from their home in Firhouse in Dublin this morning, another sister Nasaybi said it is an extremely difficult situation for the family.
    The Halawa family moved to Ireland about 18 years ago.

    The whereabouts of Somaia, 27, and Ibrihim, 17, are currently unknown.


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    #143
    Boombastic
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    If someone is granted citizenship how long must they wait until they are considered "Irish"?
    10 years?

    30 years?

    100 year?:rolleyes:

    It seems in some cases it depends how quickly they need to be bailed out of their country of Ancestry, after willingly getting them selves mixed up in a civil war


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    #144
    shamrock55
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    Just because they have an irish passport it doesnt make them irish in my eyes they went over there with only one objective in mind let em rot!!


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    #145
    photofinish
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    There are inherent dangers in travelling to Egypt. These this should immediately apparent to anyone with one iota of common sense.

    "participating in a peaceful process", is a criminally oversimplified and quite frankly, horribly naïve description of the current situation. No doubt their actions are well intentioned and the process they were involved in was non violent but they shuldhve ben aware of the risks involved.

    Egypt has had two governments fall in less then two years.
    The Muslim Brotherhood had declared war or the ruling military government.
    If the deaths continue at the present rate they will have more deaths there by the end of October then all the people who died in the troubles in the North of Ireland.

    I agree that you can not have a peaceful protest under those conditions.
    If this family took place in such a protest this was a very silly judgement call.
    I still agree with helping them they are already paying the price for their bad judgement.


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    #146
    photofinish
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Would it surprise you if it was shown that the young lad was actually born here?


    Not really they already have Irish accents.
    Why go to a country that is on the brink of civil war?
    I have been there the amount of poverty mixed with really rich and no middle class is quite shocking.

    Most of these protesters are poor.


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    bumper234
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    shamrock55 wrote: »
    Just because they have an irish passport it doesnt make them irish in my eyes they went over there with only one objective in mind let em rot!!

    Again

    The son was born here ergo he is Irish.


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    #148
    Wacker The Attacker
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    photofinish wrote: »
    Egypt has had two governments fall in less then two years.
    The Muslim Brotherhood had declared war or the ruling military government.
    If the deaths continue at the present rate they will have more deaths there by the end of October then all the people who died in the troubles in the North of Ireland.

    I agree that you can not have a peaceful protest under those conditions.
    If this family took place in such a protest this was a very silly judgement call.
    I still agree with helping them they are already paying the price for their bad judgement.

    You've stated very clearly a couple of very good reasons they shouldn't be there. Namely possible or actual declaration of war and a very high death rate. Very clear indications that this protest should not have been undertaken.

    They were either naïve or uninformed/misinformed. To my mind there can be no other reasonable explanation for their being in Egypt. Perhaps there is another reason but I don't see it.

    I'm sure the Irish diplomats are doing all they can but this would appear on the surface of it to be an entirely avoidable situation.


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    #149
    shamrock55
    Registered Users Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Again

    The son was born here ergo he is Irish.

    Yea right real irish arnt they


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    #150
    bumper234
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    shamrock55 wrote: »
    Yea right real irish arnt they

    So you say anyone born here who's skin is not white is not Irish?


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    #151
    Nodin
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    photofinish wrote: »
    Well it depends on how we want to define things.
    These people are clearly 100% Muslim
    .

    ....."muslim" isn't a race.
    photofinish wrote: »
    from the picture have no DNA from any of the long established indigenous people of this island...

    Racist cack, tbh.
    photofinish wrote: »
    In the Politically correct dogma they can be called Irish now but that is not what comes to mind when a photo of them is viewed..

    So what do you think when Israel Ilongu, Boidu Sayeh and Sam Omokuro line out for Westmeath? "Aliens have invaded a GAA pitch"?


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