Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

culbaire

deisedude wrote: »

Studies have shown that children that specialise in one sport early may in fact be less likely to prosper as athletes than children that played a variety of sports at an early age. For the fully nerdy facts read "The Sports Gene" by David Epstein.

So actually by stopping kids playing other sports like gaelic football and soccer we could end up with worse hurlers!!!

You seem to have forgotten Kilkenny. It is the top hurling county in the country by accident, is it? Players in Kilkenny have more time to devote to the skills of hurling because they can focus on hurling only. I have seen young players in Waterford trying to play hurling , football and soccer. Their bodies get little chance to recover. Burnout is common. Likewise wear and tear on the body.
Even in a big county like Cork hurling people are now admitting that the county is suffering because of the dual player problem and the strength of Junior Soccer in the city.

deisedude

culbaire wrote: »

You seem to have forgotten Kilkenny. It is the top hurling county in the country by accident, is it? Players in Kilkenny have more time to devote to the skills of hurling because they can focus on hurling only. I have seen young players in Waterford trying to play hurling , football and soccer. Their bodies get little chance to recover. Burnout is common. Likewise wear and tear on the body.
Even in a big county like Cork hurling people are now admitting that the county is suffering because of the dual player problem and the strength of Junior Soccer in the city.

I'm not saying you are wrong. All i'm saying is its not as simple as just because Kilkenny kids don't play football doesn't necessarily make them better hurlers. There are studies that indicate playing a wide range of sports at a young age may be of more benefit long term than early specialisation but granted these are American centric. With regards burnout the book i'm referencing did say its important to specialise in one sport at roughly around 16.

However because Kilkenny just spend money on hurling means they can have better coaching structures underage in hurling than a county that spends money on football too so its not a level financial playing field. Maybe if every GAA county was forced spend a certain percentage of their budget on football Kilkenny may not be as good as they are.

Long story short its all if and buts!!! I'm going completely off topic from the thread so i'll leave it at that!

The blue blaa

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-hurler-humiliated-by-double-standard-treatment-1.2139431

Davy looks to be losing it even more, Clare could have the best squad in the country but the wrong man in charge. I rated him with Waterford but i think he's going cracked

Hurling man

TyrionPower wrote: »

I agree with everything you said here - great knowledgable post...

You are agreeing that you can be unfit to play hurling. Not alone are u agreeing your telling the poster he is very knowledgeable. Lads the mind boggles don't get me wrong now I am not anti football nor would I question any inter county footballers fitness but to say hurlers can be unfit sounds to me like the ravings of a lunatic.

hardybuck

culbaire wrote: »

You seem to have forgotten Kilkenny. It is the top hurling county in the country by accident, is it? Players in Kilkenny have more time to devote to the skills of hurling because they can focus on hurling only. I have seen young players in Waterford trying to play hurling , football and soccer. Their bodies get little chance to recover. Burnout is common. Likewise wear and tear on the body.
Even in a big county like Cork hurling people are now admitting that the county is suffering because of the dual player problem and the strength of Junior Soccer in the city.

Why do they produce more physically dominant players who can win any type of possession? Is it because more of them come from agricultural backgrounds!?

Maybe we need to try some sort of crossbreeding programme with Kilkenny. They are the chosen people.

Mountainlad

The blue blaa wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-hurler-humiliated-by-double-standard-treatment-1.2139431

Davy looks to be losing it even more, Clare could have the best squad in the country but the wrong man in charge. I rated him with Waterford but i think he's going cracked

I'm not aware of similarly crazy off the field antics under Waterford (bar maybe poorly focused training), but by god did he make some terrible decisions on the field both before and during games. Never had much time for him, and while I don't want to see anyone doing really badly I have to say if those stories are true then he deserves it.

hardybuck

culbaire wrote: »

Fair enough. In that case, why do we have such inferior competitive structures in GAA locally? Can we not get our act together and organise proper competitions throughout the year, or are people just not bothered?

Is soccer growing in Cork? They've less internationals than us, and their league side went out of business before having a good revival in fairness. How big is soccer outside Cork city?

You are forgetting Junior soccer in Cork. In Waterford some dual players could play at least 30 games a year (both hurling and football). Kilkenny players do not face this problem as they focus just on hurling. Hence they are far more skilful and fresh at inter county level.[/quote]

A small minority of club players could play 30 games. Even that wouldn't amount to a weekly game if you'd a 3 month off season.

The average club player in Dublin would have a minimum of 25 odd games a season, rising to over 30 if they do well in competitions. That's before they factor in duel commitments.

hardybuck

The blue blaa wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-hurler-humiliated-by-double-standard-treatment-1.2139431

Davy looks to be losing it even more, Clare could have the best squad in the country but the wrong man in charge. I rated him with Waterford but i think he's going cracked

The funny thing here is that he's already lost a number of high profile players for trying to block them from playing football!

His approach looks like a form of bullying, not even letting lads speak to the rest of the squad is bizarre. Ironic for someone so vocally anti-bullying.

culbaire

hardybuck wrote: »

You are forgetting Junior soccer in Cork. In Waterford some dual players could play at least 30 games a year (both hurling and football). Kilkenny players do not face this problem as they focus just on hurling. Hence they are far more skilful and fresh at inter county level.

A small minority of club players could play 30 games. Even that wouldn't amount to a weekly game if you'd a 3 month off season.

The average club player in Dublin would have a minimum of 25 odd games a season, rising to over 30 if they do well in competitions. That's before they factor in duel commitments.[/QUOTE]
There are no players in Dublin playing 50 matches a year in serious competition. Dublin has a population of 1 million+
Kilkenny has shown how to do it? How many Senior Hurling All Ireland's has Dublin won in the last 50 years? The Dublin senior football management will not allow panelists to play with the Dublin senior hurling team.
There is never a word about that in the media. But the media is never slow to have a go at Waterford or Clare.

hardybuck

culbaire wrote: »

A small minority of club players could play 30 games. Even that wouldn't amount to a weekly game if you'd a 3 month off season.

The average club player in Dublin would have a minimum of 25 odd games a season, rising to over 30 if they do well in competitions. That's before they factor in duel commitments.

There are no players in Dublin playing 50 matches a year in serious competition. Dublin has a population of 1 million+
Kilkenny has shown how to do it? How many Senior Hurling All Ireland's has Dublin won in the last 50 years? The Dublin senior football management will not allow panelists to play with the Dublin senior hurling team.
There is never a word about that in the media. But the media is never slow to have a go at Waterford or Clare.[/quote]

There are players playing in the region of 40-50 certainly in senior league and championship challenging teams. Hurling and football league on alternate weekends. Some cup and championship games thrown in.

Dublin has 12 football divisions and 9 in hurling. Pretty much every team has a guarantee of 15 games before cups or championship is even factored in.

There would be nothing stopping Waterford aiming for a smaller scale version of that. Would a senior player be guaranteed maybe 10 games at a push currently, and a junior player maybe a minimum of 5?

carter10

Lads please give it a rest. This football v hurling thing is going around in circles at this stage.
We should be discussing tomorrows game. Anyone think a dummy team was named or is he going to keep Maurice and Dunford in reserve for the second half?

HatchetMan7

"Austin Gleeson (hamstring injury), Colin Dunford and Shane Bennett (exam leave) make way". That came from Hoganstand. Colin Dunford is in college isn"t he. Is that a mistake or has he taken time off the panel for college exams?

HatchetMan7

Forget that I read that wrong

HatchetMan7

The only reason i could see why Dunford wouldn't start is if he picked up a knock or something. Anyone know how far away from a return are Darragh Fives and Stephan Daniels?

KevIRL

Offaly 3 points up on limerick in the second half

HatchetMan7

If Offaly win then Wexford are right back in it. They'll be hugely motivated for the Waterford game. It'll be some game down in Wexford park.

carter10

Offaly win!

conditioned games

Offaly have won away to limerick, did not expect that. Between ourselves and Wexford now which has upped the importance of the final game in wexford park.

KevIRL

Offaly win. Doesn't change a whole lot...assuming we win and Wexford win tomorrow it means a winner take all showdown in the last game in Wexford park.

It does however negate the chance of us winning our last 2 games but missing out on promotion on scoring difference. It also means a win tomorrow and a draw the last day will send us up

HatchetMan7

Its exactly what Waterford team need a pressure game away from home against a motivated team to see exactly where we stand. Up the Deise

KevIRL

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Its exactly what Waterford team need a pressure game away from home against a motivated team to see exactly where we stand. Up the Deise

Would be nice all the same if laois could take points from Wexford tomorrow...

HatchetMan7

I'd prefer the big showdown myself.

The blue blaa

A Dummy team has been named

HatchetMan7

The blue blaa wrote: »

A Dummy team has been named

Is that fact or opinion. Have you inside information?

Mountainlad

If we'd only beaten Limerick the first day wed be all but guaranteed top spot.

O Riain

Lads if we lose to Wexford but beat them on scoring difference do we still go up?

tomwaterford

O Riain wrote: »

Lads if we lose to Wexford but beat them on scoring difference do we still go up?

If we can't beat Wexford and are relying on scoring difference....we have no place planning on being in div 1A

Mountainlad

O Riain wrote: »

Lads if we lose to Wexford but beat them on scoring difference do we still go up?

No, we'll have drawn and lost whereas Wexford will only have lost one so they'll have more points (assuming both teams win tomorrow).

O Riain

Mountainlad wrote: »

No, we'll have drawn and lost whereas Wexford will only have lost one so they'll have more points (assuming both teams win tomorrow).

Of course, how silly of me. Laois always have one game in them each year so they might do us a favour.

Mountainlad

O Riain wrote: »

Of course, how silly of me. Laois always have one game in them each year so they might do us a favour.

Twould be nice, if they draw even we should be sorted as our scoring difference would be far superior to the other two.