Gotham (Fox) [** Spoilers **]

Clareman

That was brilliant, just end it there, no need for anything else just leave it, you can see how the villians got to where they are, you can see the start of Batman, you can see how Gotham has descended into chaos.

Chancer3001

Introducing new mask characters is nearly unnecessary

Daxve

"creepy masked people" are rumoured to be Mother and Orphan or at least Gothams version of them.

Also in that final villians montage was Man Bat

Decent ending that would have served well enough as a series finale had it come to it.

It will be interesting to see how far they take the killing joke reference. I just can't see them leaving Silena with spinal damage but they have deviated quite far with Barbara Kean so there could be a different Batgirl in this continuity and the whole Mother and Orphan bit ties into that, not that it will ever get there with just 13 episodes left.

I really don't know what they've been trying to achieve with Ra's.

EPAndlee

The villains have truly risen

jaxxx

No way in hell are they going to leave Selena crippled, though that was a nice little nod to The Killing Joke I must say. The one thing I didn't like was the angle they took with Butch. Back when he was killed off and his real name was revealed I was like, "sh!!!!!!t Grundy". And then we got Grundy. Then Grundy no more.... for 5 minutes and now Butch no more again. Looking back I'm kinda surprised how I didn't see it coming, but like what now? Is Grundy gonna rise again or are they just gonna keep him dead this time? I did love the little setup they did of all the villains at the end, a small compilation of all Batman's villain gallery all claiming turf. The dawn of the Gotham that needs Batman. That was very well done I think.

Shane St.

really good season finale

CastorTroy

So finally got up to date (about 10 episodes over the past week) and looking forward to next season now, with all those teases.

Wonder if they'll get the third "Joker" out of Cameron as well. He's as good at portraying the multiple roles as Tatiana Maslany is in Orphan Black.
It is annoying WB won't let them actually use the Joker name, but we all know that's who he is. Both times.

Liked the 60's Batman theme at the concert.

How lucky were Barbara, Tabitha and all the Jeremiah's men have really bad aim and can't shoot them when standing still a few feet away.

Wonder if Mother and Orphan will somehow be Sofia and Martin.


And may I say at one point during this season, they probably had the hottest female cast of any tv series currently airing with the likes of Peyton List, Crystal Reed, Morena Baccarin, Jessica Lucas and Erin Richards

EPAndlee

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EoinMcLovin

Season five starts on January 3rd and episode count increased from 10 to 12

BandMember

The next season is the final one, yes?

EoinMcLovin

BandMember wrote: »

The next season is the final one, yes?

Yep

Arcsurvivor

Love the villains in this show. They make the characters come alive and put their own spin on them.

Arcsurvivor

Arcsurvivor wrote: »

Love the villains in this show. They make the characters come alive and put their own spin on them.

Except Fish

EoinMcLovin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRC9D1wIkc

BandMember

Thanks for that preview clip. Really looking forward to the new season, although still disappointed that it was cancelled as there was so much potential left in it.

EoinMcLovin

BandMember wrote: »

Thanks for that preview clip. Really looking forward to the new season, although still disappointed that it was cancelled as there was so much potential left in it.

At least they knew they were cancelled and got a final season to tie up the story. A lot of shows get cancelled ending with huge cliffhangers and such.

Chancer3001

tbh i think bane looks terrible.

could be a great character. but his outfit looks cheap.

BandMember

I wonder if there's any chance that this could be picked up by some streaming service or other if the new season goes well?

Daxve

It's funny the Arrowverse got the Dark Knight Rises Bane mask as an Easter Egg and the Batwoman mask is very like the Nolan film designs yet Gotham got some poor design choices that Bane mask is not good.

I think WB want this finished they have Titans and then there's the Pennyworth series coming series 5 will be it's end whether anyone is willing to pick it up or not.

Trailer looks decent enough hopefully it goes out on a high.

Wolverine359

Full trailer for the final season. (And containing many spoilers.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK6tHkw62Nw

CastorTroy

Good opening episode. Big episode spoiler in the next line

Sad to see her go (and not just because of being hot and the outfits)but she was the most expendable of the main characters due to not really having as much of a role in the comics.

Saw her name in the credits but was Jaime Murray in this episode?

I think Riddler's missing time has something to do with Lee and not Ed, since the recap showed Strange planning something for both of them.

Was that Gotham's version of Harley?

EoinMcLovin

CastorTroy wrote: »

Saw her name in the credits but was Jaime Murray in this episode?

She is recurring this season so even though she was not in this episode she would still show in the credits. She is playing

Theresa Walker who will be this season’s big bad

Agent Coulson

CastorTroy wrote: »

Good opening episode. Big episode spoiler in the next line

Saw her name in the credits but was Jaime Murray in this episode?

Was that

her on the phone at the end

EoinMcLovin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Was that

her on the phone at the end

Probably was

jaxxx

Where did you see it? Checked Netflix and it's not there yet. Assume it won't be for another while or even on TV over here for that matter.

CastorTroy

Don't know when it airs here. geektown has it for Spring 2019 on E4. Has the last season been on RTE yet?

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

She is recurring this season so even though she was not in this episode she would still show in the credits.

I knew she was recurring but she was listed as guest star, which is why I expected to see her. Maybe it was the voice.

Chancer3001

Spoilers spoilers spoilers

Sad to see T go too. But mainly for the outfits lol

Love this show. So surprised it's not more popular.

Scarecrow looks excellent.

Cool teaser too with everyone working together to fight the army for some rrason...ima guess that jeremiah will blow up the city or something if the army comes in so they have to hold off the army til Bruce at al beat jeremiah

Clareman

I'm not a fan of jumping forward and then back cause it let's you know who's going to survive and who's not but still great opener and setup for the series

Sudden Valley

Clareman wrote: »

I'm not a fan of jumping forward and then back cause it let's you know who's going to survive and who's not but still great opener and setup for the series

Not sure it really matters as there are certain characters- penguin, joker, the riddler, selina and poison ivy that they just can't kill before Bruce becomes batman. That doesn't leave many characters for them to kill now. I would be interested in whether Barbara gets pregnant by Gordon!

Chancer3001

Exactly.

It's the price you pay for a show like this.

Every situation with Bruce you know he survives

That's one the reasons why game of thrones is so popular. Anyone can die.

Also why jeremiah death was so cool season 2. Cos assumed he'd be joker and then he died