The Anglo Irish Tapes

DeVore

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Naah, they're getting them now so that if by some miracle it ever does go to court, they can claim public release caused prejudice and the inability to get a fair trial. Or some other clever stroke that they are "too incompetent" to have thought up. Incompetent? That's like calling a Great White Shark cuddly. These guys are far, far from dumb. You'd cut yourself on them they're so sharp.

I asked about that over on our Legal Discussion forum here : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85234262#post85234262
Seems like it might not be a block on prosecution, though it certainly makes it tricky to introduce the evidence.

Jaysis, this Boards place is awesome altogether Ted.

NuckingFacker

DeVore wrote: »

I asked about that over on our Legal Discussion forum here : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85234262#post85234262
Seems like it might not be a block on prosecution, though it certainly makes it tricky to introduce the evidence.

Jaysis, this Boards place is awesome altogether Ted.

Didn't see it, will head over for a goo. It might not block prosecution, but a good Barrister will be able to argue effectively that any trial is prejudiced against his clients and that a fair trial cannot be guaranteed as a result of mass media coverage(obviously with a totally wrong slant placed on his impeccable, pillar of Irelands economy, clients good names). It will gain traction with a Judge who already thinks it is a disgrace that these nice lads from clongowes/the rock have been inconvenienced by having to appear.

Mardy Bum

dickwod1 wrote: »

This "reporter" on the six one news http://www.rte.ie/playerxl/#v=10159563 at 5.30 is making me mad ... Why is he trying to play down this?

There was a Professor from Trinity also playing it down on the radio.

dickwod1

Mardy Bum wrote: »

There was a Professor from Trinity also playing it down on the radio.

Why though? and the RTE "reporter" seemed to be all down beat/bored and unexcited by the news !!!

I find it very strange

dj jarvis

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes both have to be tackled but both havent been tackled. There are people in jail for committing social welfare fraud yet not fraud on a massive level. Yet social welfare fraud is complained about most on here.

agree 100% , some balance if nothing else - anyone with a hand in this should do jail time , it goes without saying in my book

point i was making was that some posters think dole fraud is ok , because the bankers done worse , go figure with that logic

NuckingFacker

dickwod1 wrote: »

Why though? and the RTE "reporter" seemed to be all down beat/bored and unexcited by the news !!!

I find it very strange

Really? That's because RTE is utterly impartial, totally anti-partisan and does not have a huge sword of damocleas hanging over it with the funding issue? "Toe the line or we'll do a Greece on Ye." Hmm.

dj jarvis

DeVore wrote: »

I think this pic of me, in front of the US Embassy is appropriate right about now...


we have wmds invade us PLEASE by devoresphotos, on Flickr

is that a little red dot on your forehead ???

NuckingFacker

dj jarvis wrote: »

is that a little red dot on your forehead ???

Is that a Plaid shirt you're wearing Dev? Mother of God. I'm surprised a sniper didn't at least try and take it out.:)

Dartz

Should read "We have Oil" but, I digress.

I'm not saying we should shoot them all...

Thats far too quick and painless. But unless someone knocks down the door and ties them up then forces feeds them euros until they coke then nothing's going to happen. Lynching just isn't fun when half your friends have emigrated and you're the last rat left on the Titanic.

[-0-]

This is why I left Ireland two years ago. I refuse to pay for this toxic bank. The only way to not do that is leave, or go on the dole so I left. It's a very sad state of affairs, and Ireland is the laughing stock of the world yet again. Certainly in America Ireland is reknowned for not prosecuting. Slag the states off all you want, call them fat, and so on, but they lock people up and throw away the key.

wil

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Naah, they're getting them now so that if by some miracle it ever does go to court, they can claim public release caused prejudice and the inability to get a fair trial. Or some other clever stroke that they are "too incompetent" to have thought up. Incompetent? That's like calling a Great White Shark cuddly. These guys are far, far from dumb. You'd cut yourself on them they're so sharp.

If this ever comes to court, surely it is in the judges remit to instruct the jury to only regard evidence in court and disregard media comments etc. How do they manage for high profile trials etc?
So long as the jury is of peers and not their peers.

tara73

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

I assume these are the individuals on the leaked calls.

http://ie.linkedin.com/pub/peter-fitzgerald/65/659/86a

http://ie.linkedin.com/pub/john-bowe/35/8bb/a55

Just read the bull from their CV's.....

right, when you just think it can't get any worse...it can.

it's not a joke, isn't it? it's their profile, set up by themselves..no hoax?...omg. just having a feeling of not living in reality anymore.

working as a mental health councilor....:eek::eek::eek::eek:.

fryup

so who recorded this phone call??

were their lines bugged??

and why has it taken 5 years for it to come out?? why now??

LionelNashe

dickwod1 wrote: »

This "reporter" on the six one news http://www.rte.ie/playerxl/#v=10159563 at 5.30 is making me mad ... Why is he trying to play down this?

dickwod1 wrote: »

My blood is boiling over this, these knobs have me and the rest of the country in the crappy position were in now :mad: ...

:eek: Did you hear the reporter on the six one news that was talking to Sharon Ní Bheoláin trying to justify/play down what was said on the tapes :eek:

Why?

I don't think he is. What he's describing is serious; he's not playing anything down.

listermint

fryup wrote: »

so who recorded this phone call??

were their lines bugged??

and why has it taken 5 years for it to come out?? why now??

Are you seriously asking this ?!

Im sick of this question it has been asked several times over this thread.


All the information is all over the news.

EVERY CALL is recorded in the bank for regulation purposes and insider trading etc etc.

These two planks either forgot or were just plain arrogant because they didnt care. There is hundreds of hours more of calls that im sure we will hear more tit bits in the future of what exactly went on.

Dyr

drumswan wrote: »

You were a spoofer then and you are a spoofer now.

Yours,

Drumswan

I'd imagine the nice thing about shilling on boards is that the rubes fall for good patter time and time again.

tayto lover

Brian Cowan's game of golf with Fitzpatrick and the other Anglo bankers seems to have a lot of significance now. No tapes on the golfcourse.

Stojkovic

cavan4sam wrote: »

duct tape
dublin mountains
game over

I would not be suprised if this happened.

AnOrdinaryJoe

‘Why should this surprise anyone ?.... in Ireland we have as the Chairman of one of our taxpayer bailed out and wholly owned 'pillar banks', (not to be confused with pillar as in pillar of the community) AIB, an individual who is complicit in wholesale money laundering for Mexican drug cartels, from which when he was at HSBC the bank, and presumably himself made money whilst around 60,000 people were murdered, maimed, de-capitated, etc, and whilst he and his family lived in the comfort and security denied to so many more. And the Central Bank of Ireland deemed / deems him to attain 'fitness and probity' standards. Which I might state as being astonishing..... except it's not, with the cronyism which prevails amongst the self serving elite on the Irish banking sector and the Irish political structure. To call the 'elitist' feckers in Ireland corrupt would be like saying a couple of people in Mexico like to roll a wee joint now and again.....‘

Rayne Wooney

DeVore wrote: »

I think this pic of me, in front of the US Embassy is appropriate right about now...


we have wmds invade us PLEASE by devoresphotos, on Flickr

Brave enough to do it here, to f*ck would you do it in the states :pac:

Rightwing

I don't see what all the hullabaloo is about.

The banks were in it, the government was in it, the property ladder... no one cared.

Anyone who says they didn't know is either:

really dumb
really naive

AnOrdinaryJoe

......and Richie Boucher can twice appear in front of the highest office in the land, the Oireachtas (Public Accounts Committee) and be 'disingenuous' in his answers (see YouTube exchange with Independent TD, Stephen Donnelly, 1st November 2012..... and of course the bold Richie et all told the People of Ireland way back in 2008 that we didn't have a Northern Rock type situation in Ireland....... what would we give now to have a Northern Rock scenario ?)...... and he doesn't get as much as a slap on the wrist. Now if one of us 'ordinary joe's', male of female, was to make a mistake, even a genuine one on an official government form, or if we were to provide incorrect (disingenuous) information to police in any scenario......why they'd probably try us for treason. But sure isn't that how things work in the 'we're all in it together' situation we're all in together ?

woodoo

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

‘Why should this surprise anyone ?.... in Ireland we have as the Chairman of one of our taxpayer bailed out and wholly owned 'pillar banks', (not to be confused with pillar as in pillar of the community) AIB, an individual who is complicit in wholesale money laundering for Mexican drug cartels, from which when he was at HSBC the bank, and presumably himself made money whilst around 60,000 people were murdered, maimed, de-capitated, etc, and whilst he and his family lived in the comfort and security denied to so many more. And the Central Bank of Ireland deemed / deems him to attain 'fitness and probity' standards. Which I might state as being astonishing..... except it's not, with the cronyism which prevails amongst the self serving elite on the Irish banking sector and the Irish political structure. To call the 'elitist' feckers in Ireland corrupt would be like saying a couple of people in Mexico like to roll a wee joint now and again.....‘

Thats pretty shocking if true

steddyeddy

dj jarvis wrote: »

agree 100% , some balance if nothing else - anyone with a hand in this should do jail time , it goes without saying in my book

point i was making was that some posters think dole fraud is ok , because the bankers done worse , go figure with that logic

No I certainly don't think it's ok or shouldn't be investigated.

For Forks Sake

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

‘Why should this surprise anyone ?.... in Ireland we have as the Chairman of one of our taxpayer bailed out and wholly owned 'pillar banks', (not to be confused with pillar as in pillar of the community) AIB, an individual who is complicit in wholesale money laundering for Mexican drug cartels, from which when he was at HSBC the bank, and presumably himself made money whilst around 60,000 people were murdered, maimed, de-capitated, etc, and whilst he and his family lived in the comfort and security denied to so many more. And the Central Bank of Ireland deemed / deems him to attain 'fitness and probity' standards. Which I might state as being astonishing..... except it's not, with the cronyism which prevails amongst the self serving elite on the Irish banking sector and the Irish political structure. To call the 'elitist' feckers in Ireland corrupt would be like saying a couple of people in Mexico like to roll a wee joint now and again.....‘

I'm quoting this, purely so that you have the opportunity to provide some evidence???

Brendog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBaFhQufjTQ

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

steddyeddy wrote: »

So lets be clear on this. The bank bailout which has cost the Irish people billions was/is fraudulent at best a scam at worst? I think whoever claims social welfare in this country is the real problem would want to cop on frankly.

There's oxygen on the moon?

emo72

just listened to it, al i can say is JESUS H CHRIST. i think we will all need a few days to think about the enormity of it, and allow it to sink in. we all suspected shenanigans from the bank but to hear them so ruthlessly plot to put us on the hook. beggars belief.

token101

John Bowe's public Linkedin page is amazing! Quote:

John established the DCM business in Anglo and the bank became one of the most active issuers in the debt markets. the funding platform encompassed issuance from short term paper to meduim and long term duration including structured and secured funding. The bank was also an active and innovative issuer of capital and John also established and led a best in class debt investor relations platform

Is there actually an ounce of shame in these guys? It'd be hilarious if it wasn't such a mess!

AnOrdinaryJoe

....... 'Lord' (Stephen) Green, the UK Trade Minister retired last week, he who was linked to wholesale money laundering for Mexican drug cartels when he was a big cheese at the drug cartels favourite bank HSBC. The chairman of our wholly owned taxpayer 'pillar bank' is also linked to same via his previous roles at the same HSBC........ will he resign too as he should ? ? Once the financial reward element is taken out of the circle of criminality, the incentive to engage in the crime is removed. Thus the sorting out of the ill gotten gains, the money, is an important part of the whole equation...... without it the crimes would probably not exist. And one of our 'top banking executives' is linked to 'it', to a murderous 'industry' which on average cost around 10,000 lives per annum, with decapitations and mutilations commonplace, just not on Lord Green's or our senior Irish bank executives' patches, much of the violence against human beings having been committed in order to send out the message of how unwise it would be to co-operate with law enforcement agencies and to show who the real bosses are (clue: not the law enforcement agencies). Thankfully in Ireland we have a Central Bank which was able to determine that links to money laundering for Mexican drug cartels is not something which is an issue in connection to 'Fitness and Probity' standards required to be able to hold high office in one of our highly respectable banking institutions........ which is 'nice' ! Now if you were an ethically minded SME interviewing someone who you discovered was linked to money laundering for murderous drug cartels..................