The Anglo Irish Tapes

Am Chile

Wurly wrote: »

No-one will bother their holes taking this to the streets. Everyone will just sit and moan behind closed doors like good little Paddies.

We seem to forget that we are the government's employers. WE call the shots. But we just let them walk all over us. I am sick to death of people saying that protesting will do no good. Oh right, but sitting on your hole will???

I have taken part in many protests regarding the financial mess. Whenever I posted about it on here, I was told I was a 'do gooder' and a 'crusty'. Or whatever f*cking inane names are pandered about for people that actually stand up and try to change the situation.

Yes, Anglo are c*nts. Yes the government are w@nkers. But we, my friends are worse! We are allowing this to happen!!! We are continuing to allow it. Look at the protests in France, Brazil etc. No one seems to give a sh1te about their children's future or their father's pension, never mind their own quality of life!

This is a mindset that I will never ever understand. Are we that easily brainwashed that we can put our fingers in our ears and somehow believe that this is okay? It is NOT okay! We will be the generation that sat back and did nothing! Our forefathers must be turning in their f*cking graves!

Sickening what Anglo and the government did. But the most sickening thing of all is our inaction.

Prob the best post I have read on this thread so far-far too many irish people have the view ah sure what good will protesting do-tell that to the oaps who got the medical card decesion overturned in winter 2008- I will remember the time in greece when they chanted this is greece not ireland we will resist- other working class people in other eu countries that have seen protests prob take a similar view of the irish people and lack of protests.

SBWife

nelly17 wrote: »

Was wondering how come someone even taped these conversations in the first instance myself.

One of the parties was the head of capital markets. Lines used for trading are routinely recorded in financial institutions in case there is a question regarding a transaction I'd assume he used one of these lines when making the internal call.

LizT

Threads merged

keano_afc

Sergeant wrote: »

Vincent Browne has had nothing interesting to say in over 40 years. A frustrated champagne-socialist going on about whatever pops up on the list of righteous causes.

He's the Dunphy of Current Affairs - only without the wit.

I agree in most part, although when reading out tomorrow's headlines he made a classic faux pas. The headline read "Burlesconi says underage sex sentence incredible", and VB left out the word "sentence".

awec

Am Chile wrote: »

Prob the best post I have read on this thread so far-far too many irish people have the view ah sure what good will protesting do-tell that to the oaps who got the medical card decesion overturned in winter 2008- I will remember the time in greece when they chanted this is greece not ireland we will resist- other working class people in other eu countries that have seen protests prob take a similar view of the irish people and lack of protests.

Aye, cause Greece is a real beacon of where we want to be right now. :rolleyes:

charlemont

LizT wrote: »

Threads merged

Oh So that's what happened theres me all confused as how how my post ended up on this thread..:o

Cienciano

wexie wrote: »

I think one of the reasons there isn't as much outrage as there should be is a lot of people simply don't comprehend the sheer scale of the numbers being talked about.

Talk about 40 billion and a lot of people's eyes just glaze over a bit and they go :yeah that's really loads.

If you then put it in perspective and tell them that's the same as 100,000 euro off 40,000 mortgages you can see their eyes widening, the penny dropping and the outrage forming.

Cause that's what we're talking about, for Anglo alone! 100,000 euro paid off of 40,000 mortgages, or 10,000 euro for every man woman and child in Ireland. (give or take)

Never mind the rest of the bailout.

And while you could argue that some of it 'may' have been necessary it makes my blood boil that SCUMBAGS like these are still out and about living the good life.

Never having to worry about where they're going to get new shoes for their kids, college fees, holidays. Never have to loose any sleep over what the next budget might bring, will they be able to heat the house properly this winter.

If we have another winter like 2010 it's almost guaranteed people will die because of the current economic circumstances and not 'just' homeless people, regular (formerly) middle class people that simply have been dealt a rough deal by scum like this and the complete and utter ineptitude of our spineless and gutless politicians.

And what's sad is that the prospect of something like that worries me, but when I think about it I realise that these 'people' couldn't possibly care less whether or not they've been part of destroying people's lives, peoples livelihood, as long as they, and theirs are looked after all will be well.

It amazes and saddens me that human refuse like this can go around with their heads held up.

If any of them would actually stand up like a man and said :

"yes.....I ****ed up, I understand it was wrong but I was doing what I thought was best to save the company, I'm really very sorry"

I might actually have a small measure of respect for it. Instead they go around like it's their birthright to live off the backs of the regular Joe. Makes me sick.

I would personally applaud people taking matters into their own hands at this stage. Would be interesting to see how a jury of our 'peers' would judge that case...

Great post. And you're right, not only will lives be lost over this (health budget cuts etc) but the people responsible don't give a shíte. The entire Fianna Fail party, all the high ranking bank officials couldn't care less. It even seems like Enda Kenny doesn't give a shíte. As long as they get their massive wages and pensions (that fianna fail had made massive and pretty much written into law while they were in power) that's all that matters

Lots of talk of marches, but we need to get together as one and organise one. A big one, not small fragmented groups.
Apparently over a million people got off their arse to see the poxy pope in 1979.

wil

Listened to longer excerpts of the tapes on VB and they are even more shocking in full context.:eek:

There is a guy being chased all around the world, looking for asylum, because he said some things his government werent too happy about and are slightly annoyed. He will probably be in fear for a long long time of extraordinary extradition and treason trial.

Fleece the coffers, cause the demise of our sovereign republic and this happens.

......................................................................

. Thats about it.

LETHAL LADY

I reckon I've heard far more scandalous things using the ladies over the years. I wonder why we are being exposed to this tame conversation now, considering that all the tired auld politicians, of either leaning, are still involved and letting on it is shocking.
This whole malarky boils down to regulation and the balance between heavy handed to light touch. At the very least and from this experience we should start to educate very young children in personal finance.

Am Chile

awec wrote: »

Aye, cause Greece is a real beacon of where we want to be right now. :rolleyes:

At least the people of greece/portugal/turkey and brazil protest about something when they are p,,,ed off- unlike irish people who just moan and whinge

Dostoevsky

Have I misunderstood something or have these tapes, and many others from the time, been lying around in some room for almost five years without a single journalist investigating them? Five years. How many journalists are there in Ireland? Until now not one of them, or their editors, thought of investigating these phone calls about the most catastrophic mistake in the Irish state's history?

If this neglect is true, what a contemptible, dishonourable profession - it wants journalists to have unique rights as defenders of freedom of speech yet it makes no investment in public interest investigations to warrant such unique rights. It, the media, is just another industry. It should be treated as such, and not given rights under noble things like "freedom of expression" until it earns it by defending the public interest.

The Irish media today is more concerned with cheap opinion pieces, sensationalism and regurgitating cheap news from international wires than in public interest investigative journalism, something that is all but dead in Ireland. If we had a healthier media acting in the interest of this society (at least to some degree), all these tapes would have been investigated a long time ago.

Has anybody asked the editor of The Irish Times why his so-called "paper of record" has not investigated these tapes of public interest, while a rag like Independent Newspapers has (finally) bothered to do it?

wil

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

. At the very least and from this experience we should start to educate very young children in personal finance.

At the very least you should educate very young children in morals.

This is life imitating Hollywood. This is greed is good.
This is wrong wrong wrong, just on a scale that affects countries not just communities, not just companies - COUNTRIES:mad:

JJJJNR

honestly think this is some sort of twisted PR spin by FF.

porsche959

JJJJNR wrote: »

honestly think this is some sort of twisted PR spin by FF.

You could be onto something. Their man was shafted with regard to chairing the proposed Dail inquiry, this could be payback.

awec

Am Chile wrote: »

At least the people of greece/portugal/turkey and brazil protest about something when they are p,,,ed off- unlike irish people who just moan and whinge

Yes, I'm sure we'd all rather be in a much worse situation than we are currently in just so we can all pat ourselves on the back and say "well done on that protest".

downonthefarm

glad to see williams using his super powers for good this time

Dostoevsky

awec wrote: »

Yes, I'm sure we'd all rather be in a much worse situation than we are currently in just so we can all pat ourselves on the back and say "well done on that protest".

Rationally, this idea that if you protest things will be worse makes absolutely no sense, to be polite about it. If 200,000 Irish people consistently protested with a clearly-defined aim, change would happen very quickly.

If people don't protest, the government rightly takes this as acquiescence with its policies. Unlike other European countries, the Irish do not have a tradition of mass resistance to authority (despite this ahistorical "rebel" label misapplied to the general population rather than to a small radical minority in each generation). Irish politics is far less accountable, and elite nepotistic politics far more secure, for the absence of this tradition of mass resistance to political ineptitude, betrayal, fraud and deceit.

jobeenfitz

keano_afc wrote: »

Nothing will be done and we all know it. Sure look at the Lowry tapes. He lied to the tribunal. Is he in prison? Is he shite.

What is even sadder he could get re-elected again at the next election. Get a few potholes fixed and a few medical cards for his local subjects. Ya know the way things work in this country. Lets have a tribunal on the banking bailout and then lets ignore its findings also. Life goes on. The powers to be know that we will eventually have to get on with our daily grind and we will eventually forget this saga just like all the rest.

Jericho.

I've been wondering to myself if it wasn't a government stunt to get the Dáil enquiry powers that they looked for before and was (thankfully) denied by referendum.

Toosey

I am tired of these absolute pigs (Peter Fitzgerald & John Bowe to be exact) doing this to our country. So, question, is it illegal for someone to create a site or possibly facebook account where the current jobs, clubs and any other tie they have is shown? I ask because I think their life should be made hell and to be honest ran out of the country by us the people because lets face it, the government are not going to do anything other than argue with each other and after a few years and millions of Euro do sweet fa.

kowloon

These people have nothing to fear as long as they have friends in high places and none of the plebs take the law into their own hands.

JJJJNR

porsche959 wrote: »

You could be onto something. Their man was shafted with regard to chairing the proposed Dail inquiry, this could be payback.

Its the timing also, with green shoots appearing, and the fact its in the indo... is there an election coming.

awec

Dostoevsky wrote: »

Rationally, this idea that if you protest things will be worse makes absolutely no sense, to be polite about it. If 200,000 Irish people consistently protested with a clearly-defined aim, change would happen very quickly.

If people don't protest, the government rightly takes this as acquiescence with its policies. Unlike other European countries, the Irish do not have a tradition of mass resistance to authority (despite this ahistorical "rebel" label misapplied to the general population rather than to a small radical minority in each generation). Irish politics is far less accountable, and elite nepotistic politics far more secure, for the absence of this tradition of mass resistance to political ineptitude, betrayal, fraud and deceit.

Who said it will make things worse?

He's trying to promote the idea of protests, and using a country that's even more messed up as ours as an example of why he thinks protests are good.

Protests in Ireland have been hijacked by unions, the loony left and student types. They are like the boy who cried wolf, they tried to whip up hysteria to the extent that people don't want anything to do with them any more.

donegal_road

JJJJNR wrote: »

honestly think this is some sort of twisted PR spin by FF.

this happened under FF's watch, surely they want the less spoken about this the better?

*not saying the current crowd are dealing with this any better.. anyhow, its only just out, so there hasn't been much time for action

Am Chile

awec wrote: »

Who said it will make things worse?

He's trying to promote the idea of protests, and using a country that's even more messed up as ours as an example of why he thinks protests are good.

Protests in Ireland have been hijacked by unions, the loony left and student types. They are like the boy who cried wolf, they tried to whip up hysteria to the extent that people don't want anything to do with them any more.

Wrong-i was pointing out in that post the greeks have a view towards the irish for not protesting- have being abroad in portugal let me tell you it aint just the greeks who have a view towards the irish for not protesting.

rusheen

These tapes make me sick ,
These guys are as evil as it gets Cromwell like...

Fianna Fail circles

expectationlost

Dostoevsky wrote: »

Have I misunderstood something or have these tapes, and many others from the time, been lying around in some room for almost five years without a single journalist investigating them? Five years. How many journalists are there in Ireland? Until now not one of them, or their editors, thought of investigating these phone calls about the most catastrophic mistake in the Irish state's history?

If this neglect is true, what a contemptible, dishonourable profession - it wants journalists to have unique rights as defenders of freedom of speech yet it makes no investment in public interest investigations to warrant such unique rights. It, the media, is just another industry. It should be treated as such, and not given rights under noble things like "freedom of expression" until it earns it by defending the public interest.

The Irish media today is more concerned with cheap opinion pieces, sensationalism and regurgitating cheap news from international wires than in public interest investigative journalism, something that is all but dead in Ireland. If we had a healthier media acting in the interest of this society (at least to some degree), all these tapes would have been investigated a long time ago.

Has anybody asked the editor of The Irish Times why his so-called "paper of record" has not investigated these tapes of public interest, while a rag like Independent Newspapers has (finally) bothered to do it?

i think they were already used as discovery for a court case

jetfiremuck

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

He is right though. If you tried to use those tapes to get a conviction, a highly paid defence lawyer would drive an 18 wheel truck through the hole in the prosecution's argument, on the basis that it was just banter and macho posturing

May not be. We need to get someone to hand over the missing Lenihan tapes and transcripts ffs.

Gloomtastic!

Dostoevsky wrote: »

Have I misunderstood something or have these tapes, and many others from the time, been lying around in some room for almost five years without a single journalist investigating them? Five years. How many journalists are there in Ireland? Until now not one of them, or their editors, thought of investigating these phone calls about the most catastrophic mistake in the Irish state's history?

If this neglect is true, what a contemptible, dishonourable profession - it wants journalists to have unique rights as defenders of freedom of speech yet it makes no investment in public interest investigations to warrant such unique rights. It, the media, is just another industry. It should be treated as such, and not given rights under noble things like "freedom of expression" until it earns it by defending the public interest.

The Irish media today is more concerned with cheap opinion pieces, sensationalism and regurgitating cheap news from international wires than in public interest investigative journalism, something that is all but dead in Ireland. If we had a healthier media acting in the interest of this society (at least to some degree), all these tapes would have been investigated a long time ago.

Has anybody asked the editor of The Irish Times why his so-called "paper of record" has not investigated these tapes of public interest, while a rag like Independent Newspapers has (finally) bothered to do it?

But it took a newspaper to break the story - finally. What have the Office of Corporate Whatsits been doing? What have the DPP been doing? Where are the Fraud Squad when you need them?

SeaFields

just heard a short extract of todays released tapes on today fm. The germans are going to love the scum singing their national anthem and laughing about the money rolling in. Christ, it could have been gift grub they were playing.